Genos2 vs Genos1

[Graham UK]

Genos2 Vs Genos1  Listen with good quality headphones.
Take into account that YouTube does have sound quality limitations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxGtad48X64

[Danny1972]

Hi Graham,

It's already been posted here:

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,68137.0.html

[Graham UK]

Danny. Thank you. I had not seen the other YouTube link.
One of my senior moments !!!.

[Danny1972]

Haha it happens to us all !!

[ton37]

Haha it happens to us all !!

No, no, certainly not by me

[ton37]

No, certainly, I do not suffer from that ..

[Simone1972]

My personal opinion:
Just the fact that you Need High quality head phones to catch potential differences proves already that the upgrade Is not worth.
Considering that when you play live the audio system Is everytime different and never optimized, nobody in the universe can understand if you are playing a Genos1, Genos2 or a PSR-SX keyboard....

This Is a great opportunity to buy a residual Genos1 in stock at a reasonable price

Regards

[Del]

This Is a great opportunity to buy a residual Genos1 in stock at a reasonable price

Then wishing you had purchased a genos 2 instead in

[mikf]

Which keyboard is which?
Mike

[BogdanH]

Which keyboard is which?
Mike

A lot of imagination is needed to tell which is better. And by listening only (no video watching), even imagination can't help anymore.

Just my humble opinion,
Bogdan

[ton37]

It's a very bad idea to try to compare different music quality via YT. Listen for yourself life and then judge ... 

[BogdanH]

@Ton
I agree with you. But as I see it, purpose of this video is not about evaluating sound/voice quality. It's more about general impression... for example, how audience will hear our music.
But even if we would try to judge the sound quality... Audio in this video goes up to 16kHz and no one at age of 50+ can hear higher frequencies anyway. Means, what I hear in this video, is what will be able to hear at home.

Bogdan

[mikf]

I meant my question literally, wasn't trying to be clever about the sound. I don't see anything which says whether the top or bottom keyboard is Genos 1 or 2?
Mike

[ton37]

LOL, the one with the most leds is the new one ... so if one can't hear it, hopefully one can see the difference 

[EileenL]

The Top Keyboard is Genos2. You can tell by the extra orange lights on the slider and knobs.

[musicman01]

Guys, just tell the truth, Genos 1 = Genos 2 with some additions.
Those lights around the sliders and buttons are just for show.
And you really have to look for that sound difference!!!

[ton37]

I don't agree with you. But I'm not going to try to convince you. Make sure you listen to it with a good sound system. My hearing isn't very good, but if I even hear it... 
For example, you could pay attention to: the correct balance and volume between the various instruments, clearly distinguishable instruments, shrill or warm, the purity of the voices, the sound of percussion instruments, the panning, the spatial effect, etc. etc.
I had already indicated that YT is not a benchmark for appreciating sound (but even in this demo you can hear the difference), it is better to listen to it live.

[Dutchman]

Guys, just tell the truth, Genos 1 = Genos 2 with some additions.
Those lights around the sliders and buttons are just for show.
And you really have to look for that sound difference!!!

Have you actually tried the G1 vs G2 and compared them?
I'm serious, this is not a snippy remark.
Tomorrow I will try the G2 and having the G1 right beside it, YouTube can never give a good representation of any good musical instrument compared to hearing them in real life.

[Gunnar Jonny]

Guys, just tell the truth, Genos 1 = Genos 2 with some additions.
Those lights around the sliders and buttons are just for show.
And you really have to look for that sound difference!!!

May I ask if you have tried one in real life?  If not, you should take a trip to the store and play it yourself.
This poor 'comparision demo' dont justify anything at all. I'm not an 'die hard' Yamaha fan, most people here know that very well, but even I can hear the differences both in sounds also by that the styles is reworked to the better. (I have G2 in the rack)
That said, it's still, as G1 is (was), it plays a bit too CD'ish and polished, or if you like, too perfect sounding out of the box for my taste.
But, change sounds and effects is something users can adjust into personal taste.

[mikf]

The other thing is that even direct comparison is a bit unrealistic. When people are playing, or an audience is listening they don't have side by side comparison. If they heard one being played today, thought it was good, then heard another a day, or a week, or a month later..would they be saying hey that second one is way better than the one we heard last week. If not ........
But then I have always said that when listening to music the criteria is really, is the sound quality good enough. Everything else is about what is being played, and how well it is being played.
Mike

[Rick D.]

Hi Guys,

Even with all the demos and comparisons between G1 and G2 I am not totally convinced an upgraded is warranted for me. It's not the first time I skipped an upgrade. Tyros 3 was the only Tyros I skipped.
Time will tell, unfortunately no one near me stocks one to hear live. I suppose I could do drive 5 hours round trip and go listen to one in Connecticut if I wanted to.

We shall see, the money is burning a hole in my pocket! 

Rick D.

[Michael Trigoboff]

Haha it happens to us all !!

I don't remember if it happens to me... 😱😀

[musicman01]

Hello,
to give you an answer, I played more than 3 hours on GN2 at my dealer who invited me.
I have been giving workshops on Yamaha keyboards since 2002.
I don't want to be a know-it-all, but I suspect I have some experience??
Genos 2 has been improved a bit here and there, but as already mentioned, most of it could have been done via an update on GN 1.
Be honest, which of you was waiting for the FM DX expansion??
But in the meantime we are left with an organ part that means little!!
Not to mention the rotor effect, which looks more like a coffee grinder!!
And another important point: the sound, which was indeed flat on GN1?
Knowing the EQ settings already makes a difference, but has anyone tried putting a good mixer in between? with or without FX options.
Someone who knows something about mixing makes the old Genos the perfect sound, because the pre-amplification in Genos 1 was weak.
PS: An example, Korg Pa5x comes through much better in the mixing, because there is already good pre-amplification.

[Lefty]

The other thing is that even direct comparison is a bit unrealistic. When people are playing, or an audience is listening they don't have side by side comparison. If they heard one being played today, thought it was good, then heard another a day, or a week, or a month later..would they be saying hey that second one is way better than the one we heard last week. If not ........
But then I have always said that when listening to music the criteria is really, is the sound quality good enough. Everything else is about what is being played, and how well it is being played.
Mike

I agree Mike, it's the player MUCH more than the instrument.  Any guitar or harmonica I play sounds like me.  Most of us would benefit much more from improving our playing skill than from chasing gear.

Also at work is the point of diminishing returns.  The sounds keyboards reproduce now is very good.  So improvements come in smaller increments.  Consequently, the differences sonically between the G1 and G2 are smaller than we would have seen ten or twenty years ago.

At some point, it's just cork sniffing.  Are we there yet?  I don't know, but it seems that some folks think so.

Best Regards Everyone!!!  Merry Xmas
   Craig

[RoyB]

Well, this has turned into quite a lively debate, so I will wade in here with my twopence worth.

It's a very bad idea to try to compare different music quality via YT.

Why? This is probably the most authentic side-by-side sound comparison that you're likely to get (unless you have both keyboards side-by-side at home, both with equal settings and played through the same sound system).

These two machines do look very similar (apart from the slightly angled screens, fancy LEDs and couple of extra knobs on the Genos2). And, let's not paint around all this, on casual listening they sound pretty much the same as well. But, of course, the Genos2 does have plenty of new voices, drum kits, styles and FM voices for which there is no comparison.

Comparisons of this sort may be of some academic interest and a good talking point, but are they of any actual relevance? It is undeniable that both Genos1 and Genos2 sound great anyway, so what does it matter how similar or different they sound? As others have said - there's another factor that probably has a bigger influence on the sound produced anyway, and that's the player.

Anyone who owns a Tyros, Genos, PSR or SX arranger has a reliable, great sounding product. And it doesn't matter whether your keyboard is 15 years old, 10 years old, 5 years old or the brand new Genos2 - just ignore what anybody else says, take no notice of the various claims that keyboard A sounds better than keyboard B, or keyboard C is better than keyboard D, and just enjoy your time sitting and playing the keyboard that you have chosen.

Merry Xmas everyone! And happy keyboard playing!

Regards

Roy

[DerekA]

I haven't heard the G2 in person yet.

But I think people are missing the emotional side of things here. If you *feel* that the sound is better, and your heart wants the new keyboard, then that is reality for you and it doesn't really matter what anyone else says either way. Buy it if you can afford it and it makes you happy.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

The G2 is far superior.
Flip the bonnet open

[Lefty]

But I think people are missing the emotional side of things here. If you *feel* that the sound is better, and your heart wants the new keyboard,

In the guitar forum I frequent, this is called "Gear Acquisition Syndrome" or GAS.  There is no known cure for GAS, only temporarily reducing the symptoms by emptying your bank accounts, and using up your credit lines. 

Of course, I'm completely immune to GAS,
  Craig

[Gunnar Jonny]

If you *feel* that the sound is better, and your heart wants the new keyboard, then that is reality for you and it doesn't really matter what anyone else says either way. Buy it if you can afford it and it makes you happy.

Not much more to add, I think DerekA summed it up nicely here.   

[terryB]

I dont need to watch a youtube comparison, Ive got both at the moment, and to my old ears the Genos2 is a far better sound in a home environment or studio and has additional features which improve the operation of the keyboard. You decide whether its worth changing or not, if not walk away and play what you've got, you dont have to justify why, its your choice 

Cheer Terry