INTERFACE AUDIO GENOS 2

[lut112]

I tried the Genos 2 audio interface in Cubase 12. The interface is 2-channel and you cannot record multi-track audio. It can only be used in a DAW to rip single or selected midi tracks. It's not enough to work with DAW and without a real interface, such as Focusrite

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Bingo
I wondered what this interface does
The focusrite interface that i use is perfect in Cubase 13.
This so called Yamaha audio interface is like a ghost, no information on it and it is invisible.

[BogdanH]

I'm somehow surprised seeing such disappointing reaction...
Genos2 specs clearly says it's 2-channel (stereo) audio interface -which is to be expected because keyboard itself is 2-channel audio device. That is, even if we connect external audio interface (Focusrite, etc.), we can still only record two channels from keyboard.
The benefit (for some) of having built-in audio interface is less cables and no need to buy interface separately. Some may argue that it also provides better quality because there's no digital-to-analog (on keyboard) and analog-to-digital (on external inteface) conversion, but that's more an academic discussion.

Just my 2c,
Bogdan

[lut112]

I finally came. To record multitrack in a DAW, enter Genos 2 in the Utility menu and turn Off Audio Loopback

[jugge]

As I see it, the advantages with a built-in multichannel audio interface, would be to record many midi->audio tracks at once and not have to mute/unmute midi tracks to record the midi tracks to separate audio tracks.

With the MODX multichannel audio interface, I could record up to 5 stereo parts at once, each on its own track in Cubase, and further process and mix them.
All that without any loss in quality, as opposed to convert between analog->digital.

When I had the Genos 1, I had some horrific noise/interference when recording audio to my Yamaha AG06 with standard analog cabels. I then switched to a digital audio inteface and connected my Genos with SPDIF and that worked great.

I understand that they now removed the SPDIF port on the Genos 2, so the built-in interface is the only option now to record digital>digtal withoud any DAC.

[overover]

... I understand that they now removed the SPDIF port on the Genos 2, so the built-in interface is the only option now to record digital>digtal withoud any DAC.

Yes, and don't forget, although the Genos2 USB Audio interface is "only" 2-channel (stereo) and works exclusively with 44.1 kHz sampling frequency, it has 32-bit resolution, i.e. you can work with it professionally.


Best regards,
Chris

[Dromeus]

The MODX has a 10-in/4-out USB audio interface, the Montage acts as a 32-in/6-out USB audio interface.
Considering the target prices of these instruments compared to the price of a Genos, a simple 2-in/2-out audio interface is ridiculous IMHO, even at 32 bit resolution.

[BogdanH]

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Considering the target prices of these instruments compared to the price of a Genos, a simple 2-in/2-out audio interface is ridiculous IMHO, even at 32 bit resolution.

I agree. That is, I personally would prefer having multi-channel even if it has lower bit resolution.

Bogdan

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
What gets me is ,Yamaha show off the keyboard with a few sounds and rave about Revelation , But there is no in depth information about the rest of it

[overover]

The MODX has a 10-in/4-out USB audio interface, the Montage acts as a 32-in/6-out USB audio interface.
Considering the target prices of these instruments compared to the price of a Genos, a simple 2-in/2-out audio interface is ridiculous IMHO, even at 32 bit resolution.

Yes, Michael, you are absolutely right that Genos2 deserves better here. With the introduction of the Genos2, what I have been "preaching" for years (also to Yamaha) is once again painfully true:

The Yamaha Genos and Synth development teams are completely separate teams that are very reluctant to let "see each other's cards". Everything (regarding hardware and software) would be much easier and, above all, better if the two teams worked more closely together.

No question, Genos2 is a very good keyboard and, as always, significantly better than its predecessor. But it could have been MUCH BETTER if the developers had really taken their work seriously.


Best regards,
Chris

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

It's Focusrite for me!!

[BogdanH]

It's Focusrite for me!!

Agree, because there can never be too many knobs, buttons and cables  -I'm joking, of course.
Btw. I have Focusrite 8i6 which I bough because my SX700 doesn't have audio interface built-in.

Allow me to clarify a little for those readers who are not familiar with that stuff...
First, if you plan to record your playing directly on PC, then you need audio interface: if your keyboard doesn't have it, you need to buy it separately.
To record playing alone, it's enough if audio interface supports two channels (stereo). But if you also plan to record singing while playing (or record your buddy's guitar as well), then the things change: two channels in most cases aren't enough anymore. And if that's the case, then you need to buy external audio interface which has as many inputs as there are audio sources.
For example: keyboard=2, singer=1, guitar=1.. in this case, four in total.

Yes, we can also connect microphone/guitar directly on keyboard and use internal interface instead, but that's not the same: because we will end up with stereo only -that is, all audio sources (keyboard, mic/guitar) will be down-mixed to two channels. Means, we can't adjust levels (i.e. loudness) of each audio source anymore.
For example, if singer for whatever reason sings louder today, we can't correct that later. However, if singer is recorded on separate channel, then we can adjust levels for that track separately and make sure that the final result is in balance.

Bogdan

[konaboy32]

A "focusrite" is not the solution, even if they offer many analog audio inputs, the g2 does not provide enough analog audio outputs for all the keyboard and style parts.

that is the benefit of multitrack usb audio, you can capture all the parts on separate tracks in your DAW for post-processing, mixing and mastering.

[BogdanH]

A "focusrite" is not the solution, even if they offer many analog audio inputs, the g2 does not provide enough analog audio outputs for all the keyboard and style parts....

As many others, I do wish keyboard would have built-in audio interface with 16 stereo audio channels... But fact is, arranger keyboards are made as 2-channel analog devices and it's assumed, that all mixing (prior to sending to output) will be done on keyboard itself. In that sense, arranger keyboard is a one man band instrument (which is it's main purpose).
I'm not defending keyboard manufacturers -I'm only accepting facts 

Bogdan

[konaboy32]

"one man band" instrument is no excuse to slap in a 2 channel audio interface.

even those musicians might want to record a performance in the DAW and have the ability to adjust the balance of the instruments afterwards.

we've all made a recording only to realize that the drums were overpowering, or that lead part was too quiet. with multichannel recording, no problem. with stereo, tough luck, you'll have to record it again.

[lut112]

Yamaha could have provided even just a 4-channel audio interface (4 aux) and that would have been quite satisfactory. Genos 3 probably.

[Michael Trigoboff]

Genos2 has made my life enormously more complicated because it does not have the S/PDIF digital audio output that the Genos1 has.

I have figured out how to use the Genos2 with my Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 3rd Gen and Cubase, but it wasn't simple or easy compared to how it was with my Genos1. Cubase didn't help with its requirement that there be only one source of USB digital audio, which needed to be the Genos2.

At some point, when I get the time, I will post diagrams for the various Rube Goldberg audio data flows that I had to come up with.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
I am going for a Focusrite 4th gen 4i4 soon
I like the spec.
Well Mike it is quite simple to set up the focusrites with the Genos and Cubase
Just railway lines and stations

[Michael Trigoboff]

Well Mike it is quite simple to set up the focusrites with the Genos and Cubase
Just railway lines and stations

Not if you want to use digital audio throughout, and avoid unnecessary D/A and A/D conversions.

[GrannyRocks]

Ignorant question. Can I record audio directly into the DAW with the Genos? Can I transmit on Zoom with an audio interface. I tried and failed and used my Focusrite, concluding that it only records MIDI. But apparently I was mistaken, and I made a mistake. Please clarify. Thanks.

[Michael Trigoboff]

Ignorant question. Can I record audio directly into the DAW with the Genos? Can I transmit on Zoom with an audio interface. I tried and failed and used my Focusrite, concluding that it only records MIDI. But apparently I was mistaken, and I made a mistake. Please clarify. Thanks.

Yes, you can record digital audio directly from the Genos2 into a DAW. But because the Genos2 lacks the Genos' S/PDIF digital audio output jack, the digital audio has to travel directly from the Genos2 to your computer via USB, so you will not be able to use your Focusrite audio interface for that. If I'm remembering right, the Genos2 will show up in your DAW as "Digital Keyboard 1". (It also shows up as "Digital Keyboard 2", but you can ignore that.)

Which Focusrite audio interface do you have? Which DAW?

[GlenC]

I got my Genos 2 yesterday, so was sitting with it switched on and watching a few tutorial YouTube videos.

My computer normally sends the YouTube audio via a UR22C sound card to a mixer then Monitor speakers.  I notice the audio was rather loud so turned down my mixer volume control but nothing happed    I then realised the audio was coming through my Genos 2 and its speakers, I presume because of its new audio interface.

[konaboy32]

that's right, you can send your PC audio to the genos headphone output or speakers using the new USB audio interface feature.

or send the G2 audio to your PC, it works in both directions.

for those of you that are messing around with focusrite audio interfaces, if you really want to use that instead, you must connect your genos line outputs to the focusrite line inputs, and then configure your PC to use the focusrite audio interface.

will work fine, but the audio is not transmitted digitally, but is analogue with some loss of signal quality.

as i mentioned in another thread, when using G2 audio interface, there is no master volume control and the levels will likely be too loud and clip your recordings in your DAW.

the workaround is to turn down all the keyboard and style parts or use a master effect like compressor to lower the overall output.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Well the Yamaha has it's own built in Interface
I can use it to record midi from Genos to Cubase 13
Would this be the same as recording a VST instrument and then render to wave instead of record ?
Normally you have to send midi over to Cubase and then record to wave for each track after editing, unless you are recording track by track in the daw.
The thing is, what about latency and buffers. Is this automatic from Genos.
I also use vst and if i relied on the Genos Interface, how do i adjust latency and buffer sizes.??
Is the Yamaha Interface zero latency for everything ?

I started to use the Edit sound in YEM and latency occurs testing your changes on the keyboard   Workstation 1/ Line.
The thing with this Yamaha interface is that there is no adjustments that you can get to, so you are stuck with how great this interface is or not.

Also i have personally not found any difference using the Digital or RCA
If i did get any interference in Cubase, i would use Ozone RX10.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
I have been experimenting a little more and have the internal audio interface working in Cubase.
I tried some Arturia Vst's and surprise, it works also.
If you go to the midi section of  the Genos 2 and choose KEYBOARD/STYLE  and switch LOCAL OFF you have the style, Left sound and the right playing a vst instrument. A big plus in my view.
The only thing that i have found out is that you can only have 11 millseconds at 512 samples.
I tried 256 samples to have 5.6 milliseconds and glitches occur also at 386 samples. Still glitches.
So 11 milliseconds on the Steinberg driver is the best you can achieve.
I must admit over my AKG's at 11milliseconds it sounded pretty good.

My Focusrite first Gen can achieve 5 milliseconds at 256 samples.

So what is best??   for a great recording or does it matter???

[jugge]

Does the Genos have templates for recording to DAW like the MODX? It would make the process a lot easyer if we have templates  like "MIDI Rec on DAW", "Styles Rec on DAW" and "Audio Rec on DAW".
This tutorial explaining how to use MODX with Cubase, but maybe it could help peoples trying to get the Genos 2 working with Cubase as well.
https://www.yamahasynth.com/learn/modx/part-1-mastering-modx-audio-record-on-daw

[GrannyRocks]

Yes, you can record digital audio directly from the Genos2 into a DAW. But because the Genos2 lacks the Genos' S/PDIF digital audio output jack, the digital audio has to travel directly from the Genos2 to your computer via USB, so you will not be able to use your Focusrite audio interface for that. If I'm remembering right, the Genos2 will show up in your DAW as "Digital Keyboard 1". (It also shows up as "Digital Keyboard 2", but you can ignore that.)

Which Focusrite audio interface do you have? Which DAW?

Hi, Michael,

I've been jammed working and just free and saw your response. I was able to record audio very easily with the Focusrite. I've got one of the little ones -- the 2i2 and also an 8i8. I have been doing recording and livestreaming with both of them in the past. I did try the USB cable but it didn't work for some reason. At least the sound was awful. So I switched to the Focusrite. I used the 2i2 for this occasion with my Studio One, and it worked, but I had to turn the gains down really really low. Interesting. That's okay with me. It's not hard. I have also plugged the Focusrite outs to my speaker. If I'm recording, I can use the 818 with singers. My new speaker system can take 8 inputs so I don't need to worry about that with live playing -- just plug everything in: the two vocals, the Genos left and right and my Roland Fantom 08 left and right. (There's some discussion about whether the left and right make any difference because I have a line array speaker with a tower, and it's not actually stereo.) The speaker even has Fantom power if/when I have a condenser mic. I have also plugged Genos into the Focusrite, which plugs into my laptop for Zoom video conferences, and it sounded pretty good. Oddly the viewers heard in stereo but the recording was in mono and not great. I doubled the mono recordings and got a decent sound, but when I livestream, I use Wirecast, which has ASIO, and it sounds way better. But it's good for the purpose. I do counseling and run groups, and using my digital keyboards and piano to transmit music that helps people relax and go into altered states, which helps the process of delving and healing. We have a retreat next weekend, and I know I'll be using the Genos. By the way, we are having a home concert here in Corvallis on Sunday, December 10, 3-5. Don't know if you would be interested in coming or if it's even possible, but we would LOVE to have you. I tried to attach a flyer, but it was too big. So here's a Facebook link: https://fb.me/e/vP9arxSyE.  If you can come, just give me a call and we'll set out a chair. Thanks always.

[lut112]

Dear colleagues, I have a problem with recording on OBS via the Genos 2 interface. The OBS application detects Line[digital keyboard] but the mixer meter in OBS does not respond. In cubase it records without problems. Maybe someone can help me.

[overover]

Dear colleagues, I have a problem with recording on OBS via the Genos 2 interface. The OBS application detects Line[digital keyboard] but the mixer meter in OBS does not respond. In cubase it records without problems. Maybe someone can help me.

Hi lut112,

Which OBS version are you using?


Best regards,
Chris

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Can someone tell me at what level would you put the Genos audio Interface Against a Focusrite.
I can only get the Genos Audio interface down to 11 milliseconds latency at 512 but ideally i would of liked 5 milliseconds 256  at the least.
If you put the Genos audio interface to the same as a focusrite it starts to stutter.
I have not really been a fan of Steinberg drivers.

All the best
John