3 Gb Expansion memory for G2 ?? Really yamaha ? G1 has 4 GB

[marcodg]

WTH Yamaha?
Why, why why ?
I cannot describ my feelings now 

[EileenL]

Who on earth told you that. it has a lot more than that. Why not find out the true facts before you post.

[marcodg]

Who on earth told you that. it has a lot more than that. Why not find out the true facts before you post.

It's on the official website on Yamaha.
If it's nit real then why do they wrote this on the spec ?

[marcodg]

Look here, on the Swiss website

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[overover]

According to the specifications on the Yamaha website and in the Owner's Manual, Genos2 unfortunately only has 3GB of Expansion Wave Memory. This is the same as Genos1 with the current firmware V2.13

Genos1 has originally 1.8GB of Expansion Wave Memory. With firmware V2.0 the size was increased to 3GB.

By the way, "4GB" is the size of the User drive on the SX900 (which has 1GB of Expansion Wave Memory).


Best regards,
Chris

[Fred Smith]

Look here, on the Swiss website

The G1 and G2 have the same expansion memory -- 3Gb. G1 never had 4Gb. It started at 1.8Gb, and was increased to 3Gb with OS2.

Cheers,
Fred

[marcodg]

It's 4 Gb for user expansion 3 gb for wave and 1 for audio style. Assume that since Genos 1.5 update we just need USB to read audio OK well. I don't see évolution here while 7 years between the two and the decrease  of memory in global mark is huge over the Last years. Much angrier: internal memory only 15 Gb. What is that ? I can bought à SD card today 128 Gb for les than 10 euros and Yamaha cannot increase the interne memory of they TOTL in 2023 ?Sorry but for me It's take consumer as dummy because i never saw something like that on brand newew electronic.

[soundphase]

I know that RAM access are very special (real-time constraint), so I understand that we can't have usual SSD in the Genos for such real-time access, but 6 years after, no evolution at all, I agree it's a pity.

[anandmaloo]

Memory in G1 was increased through software update from 1.8GB 3GB. So the actual physical memory of 3 GB was always there in G1 and Yamaha gave access to it later through OS update.

I am sure the case is with G2. The actual physical memory in the body would be much more than 3GB. Yamaha will open it up later during updates

Anand

[steakikan]

Basically this release seems due to the discontinuation of the old SWP70 chip and standardizing it with the Montage M chips (128 preset AWM, 128 user AWM and 128 FM) plus probably new CPU for some new feature. The Revelation reverb probably use the chip intended for AN-X.

[RonsonDenmark]

Memory in G1 was increased through software update from 1.8GB 3GB. So the actual physical memory of 3 GB was always there in G1 and Yamaha gave access to it later through OS update.

Or maybe they did like Korg and uses some user storage for actual samples and let the fast RAM handle the attack/beginning of the sample - then the slower SSD storage would have time to deliver the rest.

[pjd]

According to the specifications on the Yamaha website and in the Owner's Manual, Genos2 unfortunately only has 3GB of Expansion Wave Memory. This is the same as Genos1 with the current firmware V2.13

Genos1 has originally 1.8GB of Expansion Wave Memory. With firmware V2.0 the size was increased to 3GB.
Chris

And Fred states this correctly, too.

Again, people are discussing two physically separate and different memory subsystems: the so-called USER drive implemented in Genos1 as an eMMC solid state device and waveform memory which is implemented using ONFI compatible NAND flash memory.

The eMMC is connected to the ARM host computer running Linux. The waveform NAND flash is connected to the waveform memory channel of the SWP70 tone generator. Two separate and distinct ICs.

I agree that reducing the size of the eMMC (USER drive) is a bad decision and I have stated so in another thread.

Unless proven by evidence, there is no SWP70 replacement. The Montage M can be implemented with two SWP70s by utilizing its previously uncommitted memory channels.

Could Yamaha have increased the size of the waveform NAND flash? Yes, they could have. They didn't. Finito.

Hope this info helps -- pj

If someone gets either a Montage M service manual, or Genos2 service manual, please send me PM.