korg Pa4x styles

[wolfram]

Hello,
I'm looking for styles from the KorgPa4x converted for yamaha Genos or Tyros 5
thanx before,
greetings,
wolfram

[Amwilburn]

I would love to see this, too; we've been asking for 8 years(Pa4x released in May 2015!) but maybe someday (hopefully when someone as talented as Jørgen Sørensen creates an easy korg to yamaha style converter; that would imply they'd also make one for the reverse as well)

At least we have the PA80/PA50, and PA3x styles converted! (Conversion by hand is absolutely painstaking, about as much work as creating a style from scratch in the first place)

https://psrtutorial.com/sty/keyboards/korg.html

Mark

[overover]

Hello,
I'm looking for styles from the KorgPa4x converted for yamaha Genos or Tyros 5
thanx before,
greetings,
wolfram

Hi wolfram,

The last available version of the program "Style Works XT Universal" (V4.999) supports, among other things, the conversion of KORG Pa4X and Pa1000/700 styles. (Unfortunately, this program is no longer available because the developer passed away some time ago.)

I have not yet dealt with converting styles from other manufacturers into the Yamaha format. Maybe a forum member who owns the program mentioned can convert the Pa4X styles and make them available here.


Best regards,
Chris

[wersianer]

Should it just be the factory styles of the Pa4X?

[rodrigo.b]

Hello,
I'm looking for styles from the KorgPa4x converted for yamaha Genos or Tyros 5
thanx before,
greetings,
wolfram

I tried to do that and I didn't get good results, the guitar and percussion tracks doesn't sound right. It's a shame because I also have all the factory demos of the Korg Pa keyboards from Pa1x to Pa4x and I can't playback them either on my CVP.

[wersianer]

My experience with the conversion is the same as Rodrigo.
No really worthwhile results.

[wolfram]

Should it just be the factory styles of the Pa4X?

Yes,the factory styles and if it is possinel user styles,
kind regards,
wolfram

[Amwilburn]

I tried to do that and I didn't get good results, the guitar and percussion tracks doesn't sound right. It's a shame because I also have all the factory demos of the Korg Pa keyboards from Pa1x to Pa4x and I can't playback them either on my CVP.

Rodrigo, I happen to know how to coax the guitar dsp's  on the Yamahas, and the drums need to be largely remapped. But since I have a PA5x here (which have a lot of the pa4x styles repeated) I should be able to figure out which drum note should be mapped to what.

If you could email me or just post your attempted conversions here, I could give it a shot (but tell me which style you want me to start with!)

Mark

[rodrigo.b]

Rodrigo, I happen to know how to coax the guitar dsp's  on the Yamahas, and the drums need to be largely remapped. But since I have a PA5x here (which have a lot of the pa4x styles repeated) I should be able to figure out which drum note should be mapped to what.

If you could email me or just post your attempted conversions here, I could give it a shot (but tell me which style you want me to start with!)

Mark

Thank you so much I have a lot of midi files for Pa.

[rodrigo.b]

Here is one of them:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_pkDPHSIfphhNu-pL8YF4h7l6yAoN5y/view?usp=drivesdk

[wersianer]

If you are interested, you can find the result of the automated conversion Pa4X to Tyros 5 (SFF2) here:

https://mega.nz/folder/PdRUHTpT#6A7fg9KloYJQrjLgJmyHEA

[Amwilburn]

Oh my. Not only do the drums need to be remapped, but the chord recognition is set to the wrong keys (I played a D chord on 6/8 Balllad, and some of the parts played D, some played in Am, etc!) so this'll be quite the challange!

Mark

[MadrasGiaguari]

I downloaded all the converted styles from Pa4X and loaded in my Genos.

Many styles play chords wrong.
But many play right, even complicated chords. These can be adjusted to play good.

About drums, I found quite easy to have good results by selecting one of the Revo kits. Sometimes I needed to do minor editing of the drum (and/or) percussion track.

For all the "compatible" styles (the ones playing chords right), I needed to change the sound of almost all the tracks, and -more important- the volume of each single track.

In a few cases I solved harder (for me) problems by using the Assembly function, within the same style, for some track in some variation.

So said, I just started and went trough about 50 styles, getting about 10 decent styles, so far. In a second step, after checking all the downloaded styles, the "decent" ones will need more refining.

To make a long story short, it is an interesting set of styles, often quite different if compared to Genos ones. So, if one, as I do, likes to do some work, it can be an useful addition to our styles availability.

One thing for sure cannot be converted, due to the different styles structure of the two brands: Korg styles have a chord mapping for each track (and for each variation!), that changes the phrasing from Major to Minor, to 7th, to diminished, ecc,.

I like to thank Wersianer for the precious link he kindly provided.

Ciao,

Angelo

[robinez]

Oh my. Not only do the drums need to be remapped, but the chord recognition is set to the wrong keys (I played a D chord on 6/8 Balllad, and some of the parts played D, some played in Am, etc!) so this'll be quite the challange!

Mark

yes, this is indeed how korg styles work.
you can set the key for every track and chord variation in a Korg style, so it is possible to create a bass track in Gminor and for instance the acc1 chords in D major, the korg has settings for this to make this possible.

Once you know that, then it's not that hard to convert korg styles to yamaha styles. It's basically the reverse process of what i showed in my tutorial (yamaha styles to korg) and you have to add a CASM block once you are done (that tool can be found here on psr tutorials).

So the steps are:
- export a korg style as midi file
- import it in a DAW
- rename the label markers to the Yamaha convention
- check if every track is set to C major, if not transpose it to C major
- clean up each track for control changes (korg styles are using a lot of extra CC information for performance purposes. Some of them will work, like panning or cutoff, but others will create strange behavior, for instance the Expression CC).
- Save as midi file
- use the CASM tool from this forum to add the casm block and import the style on the yamaha
- assign the sounds of your choice on the yamaha yourself for each sound and save the new style again

I've created a tutorial for how to convert yamaha styles to korg, there you can see the Label markers for yamaha and the corresponding label markers for the korg.
So with that information the process is the same, but then just rename the korg labels to the yamaha labels.

you can find my tutorial over here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYeas-GcTpM

[Amwilburn]

6_8 Slow Ballad (take 15)

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/t261c7ecm3l28h5xna7ro/6_8-Slow-Ballad_p4x-v15.sty?rlkey=zuib8o0zzlk3xmv6olcbsv7pq&dl=0

This is the result so far, I changed the chord recognition, and in some cases, unlocked the style and re-wrote it to CMaj.

However, there was no way to get the acoustic guitar strum to work as a direct translation; (it uses C7 as the chord notes, and every note in the C Maj when strumming). Bottom line, I'm trying to find an existing Yamaha acoustic guitar strum from an existing 6/8 Yamaha style we can just copy and paste into the acoustic guitar part.

But if you compare it to the original, it's significantly closer to the Korg sound. However, I only have the PA5x on hand, and the patterns (especially hi hats) are slightly different. Alas I have no more Pa4x/PA1000/PA700/or on display.

I might need to copy and paste the data from a multipad into that acoustic guitar strumming track if I can't find a matching style; hoping someone here has a suggestion (it's very similar to the guitar strumming from "So this is Christmas")

Mark

[rodrigo.b]

Here is one of them:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_pkDPHSIfphhNu-pL8YF4h7l6yAoN5y/view?usp=drivesdk

Is there a way to playback correctly this midi on Genos/CVP?  What program do I need?

[Amwilburn]

Is there a way to playback correctly this midi on Genos/CVP?  What program do I need?

er.... just put it on a usb stick and play it on your Genos, which is the target keyboard I programmed on. (will work on any sff2 model, as long as you pick different drums).

Only 1 , and it's not complete, but at least functional now (compare it to the original that was uploaded, thanks Wersianer!, and you'll see how drastically different it is)

[rodrigo.b]

er.... just put it on a usb stick and play it on your Genos, which is the target keyboard I programmed on. (will work on any sff2 model, as long as you pick different drums).

Only 1 , and it's not complete, but at least functional now (compare it to the original that was uploaded, thanks Wersianer!, and you'll see how drastically different it is)

I was referring to the midi file I uploaded .