Missing variations Genos

mhack · February 21, 2023, 04:48:06 PM

I downloaded some Genos styles from PSR Tutorial and some of the
styles will not play variations B and C. Is there a fix for this, please?
Many thanks! ( SX900)
Mhack

mikf · February 21, 2023, 05:29:11 PM

It's possible whoever made or modified the styles did not include every variation. It's a lot of work to make a style complete with 4 variations, 3 intros and endings, fills etc. So on "home made" styles sometimes people skip some if they don't think they need it.
Mike

mhack · February 21, 2023, 09:36:12 PM

Thanks, Mike! Are original Genos styles available for purchase? Thanks for your reply.
Mike

colas musique · February 22, 2023, 03:07:45 AM

Bonjour,

Ils sont gratuits et téléchargeables sur le site "PSR TUTORIAL".

https://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/Genos/genos.html

Christian

Google translation by overover:
Good morning, They are free and downloadable from the "PSR TUTORIAL" site.

overover · February 22, 2023, 09:35:02 AM

Quote from: colas musique on February 22, 2023, 03:07:45 AM
Bonjour,

Ils sont gratuits et téléchargeables sur le site "PSR TUTORIAL".

https://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/Genos/genos.html

Christian

Google translation by overover:
Good morning, They are free and downloadable from the "PSR TUTORIAL" site.

Hi Christian,

Thanks for your post, BUT please respect our forum rules and post here in English only. If you post here repeatedly in French, the admin will restrict your user account so that you can only read posts but no longer post.

Best regards,
Chris

overover · February 22, 2023, 09:44:11 AM

Quote from: mhack on February 21, 2023, 09:36:12 PM
... Are original Genos styles available for purchase? Thanks for your reply.
Mike

Hi Mike,

The following link will take you to the Genos Style page on psrtutorial.com:
>>> https://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/Genos/genos.html

In the list "540 Genos Preset Styles", just click on each Style Category name (e.g. BALLROOM) to download the Styles of this category as a zip file.

Best regards,
Chris

mhack · February 22, 2023, 12:37:58 PM

Hey Chris,
I went to PSR Tutorial page and downloaded the styles sets I wanted, unzipped them and then put them on a USB, in folders. I Then, opened Pop Rock, for instance, and variations were missing from some of them. Any clues?
Thanks!
Mike

overover · February 22, 2023, 01:40:05 PM

Quote from: mhack on February 22, 2023, 12:37:58 PM
Hey Chris,
I went to PSR Tutorial page and downloaded the styles sets I wanted, unzipped them and then put them on a USB, in folders. I Then, opened Pop Rock, for instance, and variations were missing from some of them. Any clues?
Thanks!
Mike

Hi Mike,

Are you sure you really copied the correct folder to the USB stick and then called it up on the SX900? All Genos preset styles have (just like all PSR-S/SX and Tyros preset styles) 3 Intros, 3 Endings, 4 Main Variations as well as 4 Fill-ins and 1 Break.

Best regards,
Chris

pjd · February 22, 2023, 05:21:39 PM

Quote from: mikf on February 21, 2023, 05:29:11 PM
It's possible whoever made or modified the styles did not include every variation. It's a lot of work to make a style complete with 4 variations, 3 intros and endings, fills etc. So on "home made" styles sometimes people skip some if they don't think they need it.

I agree with Mike. I have contributed and distributed styles in the past. Many styles were converted from other keyboards which did not support more than two sections. Some did not support intro and ending sections.

Depending upon my energy and time, I created intros, endings, sections. Not always.

So, yeah, there may be styles that do not have all of the sections. BTW, some styles may be missing OTS, too.

Remember, you get what you pay for.

-- pj

pjd · February 22, 2023, 05:25:42 PM

In case anybody wants my free styles:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/free-djx-ii-styles-version-2/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/motif-styles-for-your-arranger/

I have some new styles in the works, but never seem to find the time to post them.

-- pj

mhack · February 22, 2023, 05:51:36 PM

Hey, Chris,
They look like this: Pop/Acoustic8BtBallad.T547.prs No voices on variation C, D.
Thanks,
Mike

Fred Smith · February 22, 2023, 06:43:16 PM

Quote from: mhack on February 22, 2023, 05:51:36 PM
Hey, Chris,
They look like this: Pop/Acoustic8BtBallad.T547.prs No voices on variation C, D.
Thanks,
Mike

What do you mean by no "voices"?

Cheers,
Fred

mhack · February 22, 2023, 07:09:25 PM

Hey, Fred!
I load style with intro and it is in A variation. When I play the melody, there is a voice like a piano. When I go to variation B, there is no voice when I start playing again.
Thanks,
Mike

mhack · February 22, 2023, 08:39:56 PM

Well. It looks like I said missing variations. The Variations are there but the Voice/s that come with them are not there in all cases. The voices I play with my right hand. The melody.
I will figure it out. Or, not. Thank you all for your help.
Hack

mikf · February 22, 2023, 09:42:38 PM

I think you are talking about OTS. That's not really part of the style. You can just select a voice and save it yourself.
Mike

Fred Smith · February 22, 2023, 09:44:58 PM

Quote from: mhack on February 22, 2023, 08:39:56 PM
Well. It looks like I said missing variations. The Variations are there but the Voice/s that come with them are not there in all cases. The voices I play with my right hand. The melody.
I will figure it out. Or, not. Thank you all for your help.
Hack

When you say voices, you mean the style's OTS.

You need to press the appropriate OTS button, or turn the OTS Link on.

Cheers,
Fred

Bill · February 23, 2023, 04:07:46 AM

Hi Mack

Quite often styles are programmed with voices that are specific to the the KB setup that the person has on his/her KB. They maybe Expansion voices etc. Sometimes when these styles are transferred to a different keyboard those voices are not available, hence they show up as not having any voices. You will have to simply used a voice of your choosing.

Regards
Bill

mhack · February 23, 2023, 02:27:57 PM

Thanks to all! I will try the OTS in the morning and let you know what I find.
Mike

Toril S · February 23, 2023, 03:40:47 PM

Look at the LED lights on the OTS buttons. If those do not light up, there is no OTS in the style. You can select the voices you like and create your own OTS for the style.
For intros and endings you have to work harder. There also, look at the button, if button has no light, no intro, no ending, or no brake! But as others have said here, PRESET
styles always have intros, endings, and OTS.

Amwilburn · February 23, 2023, 08:02:51 PM

What he's describing isn't missing OTS parts; it's the "no sound" on an OTS from another keyboard (which is very common). It just means the OTS is pointing to a sound from another keyboard that his sx900 simply has no equivalent for. This happens with any PSR trying to use S.Art2 sounds from an OTS, for example. It's what mikf said, pick a sound that *is* on your keyboard and re-save it.

Genos owners won't be used to seeing that since the Genos carries all voices from the T1 and on; but PSR owners will know the pain of switching OTS and having no sound on the right hand parts.

Don't know what the original voice was supposed to be? I'm pretty sure Jørgen Sørensen has already made an app that allows you to see the OTS voice names.
Yup!

I believe OTS Editor will do that.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/otseditor/index.htm

Mark

mikf · February 23, 2023, 11:24:46 PM

I have never understood why people place any importance on a lead voice stored in the style OTS and selected by some Yamaha programmer.. They had no idea at the time of making this choice what song you are going to play with that style, what voices you like etc etc. It's like someone who doesn't know you, never been to your house, telling you what color to paint your bedroom.
And because you change accompaniment variations doesn't mean you should always change lead voices, and for this reason I seldom have OTS on. I don't want a "surprise" change of voice.
One of the traps people fall into with these arrangers which have so many voices, is to get dazzled by the endless possibility of so many voice choices, and become "voice change happy". They think that a piece will be more interesting to a listener if they keep changing lead voices when often less chopping and changing is is much more tasteful.
Mike

Toril S · February 24, 2023, 06:33:21 AM

Agreed Mike. I use OTS, but select my own combinations most of the time. If you listen to instrumentals, there is often one lead instrument throughout the whole song.

EileenL · February 24, 2023, 09:16:01 AM

If the style voices are not playing it is because they are not on your keyboard. Just replace them with something that sounds good to you.

pjd · February 24, 2023, 12:43:04 PM

Quote from: Amwilburn on February 23, 2023, 08:02:51 PM
Don't know what the original voice was supposed to be? I'm pretty sure Jørgen Sørensen has already made an app that allows you to see the OTS voice names.
Yup!

I believe OTS Editor will do that.
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/otseditor/index.htm

Yep, Jørgen's OTS editor will do that and more. I have used it extensively and recommend it. Thanks, Jørgen!

I agree with Mike's opinion about OTS in preset styles. Sometimes an OTS voice has a tweak or two over the factory preset voice. I learned a lot by studying the tweaks -- then change everything around. As Mike said, the factory OTS voices may not fit the song for which you will use a style.

Folks shouldn't be afraid to make an arranger "their own". Just keep a good back-up or two...

All the best --

P.S. You are backed up? Right?