New Genos with 61, 76 en 88 keys will appear well within a year from now!

[ton37]

I was at my keyboard dealer (an important/big dealer in NL and a reliable source for me!) to try out the new Korg PA5x, because I really wanted a 61 keys keyboard. I had also once bought the Genos (1) from him, but I sell it as it was too large for me. That's why I bought the SX900. The KorgPA5x offers a lot of features that I appreciate in a new keyboard: a very good keybed, a good sound, a good readable and tiltable screen, sliders and 61 keys! I was in the mood to buy the Korg. Then he advised me to wait a little longer with regard to my wish to buy a Yamaha 61 at Genos quality. He said: certainly within 1 year Yamaha will come up with a Genos and with 61, 76 and 88 keys!! In the meantime Korg will also need some updates to let the PA5x run smoothly. So I'll just wait one year until the new Genos arrives, about half of 2023. Nice prospect... 

[MadrasGiaguari]

Dear Ton,

thank you for your interesting post.

I guess that the dealer statement is quite reliable. I had a similar experience with Korg Pax5: in November 2021 I was in one of the best music stores in Naples. Incidentally there were also sales peoples from Korg. We had a nice conversation about arrangers, and at one point  they told me that the new Korg flagship would have been released in a few months.
The fact is that in late spring 2022 Korg did launch Pa5X.

Ciao,

Angelo

[vbdx66]

Interesting news. A 61-keys Genos II could be a very nice keyboard - the arranger equivalent of the new 61-keys MODX+

Vinciane

[Toril S]

Only Yamaha knows.

[ton37]

'coincidentally' the source was also someone from Yamaha  , but in a few months we will know for sure 

[jugge]

I like the idea of a 61 key version due to my limited space. Now, If they will include a builtin USB audio interface like on the MODX, I will most likely join the Genos family again.

[metcam]

I like the idea of a 61 key version due to my limited space. Now, If they will include a builtin USB audio interface like on the MODX, I will most likely join the Genos family again.

If A 61-keys Genos II will be launched I will Get one .

Best regards

[Amwilburn]

You wrote that Yamaha should metal/aluminum casing for the next Genos like Korg does because it will only add 1-2 kg (the Pa5x is indeed very beautiful and sleek) but the PA5x76 weighs *10 lbs more* than the Genos. I'd love sturdier casing as well, but weight matters too.

[mikf]

But does all the additional weight come from the casing? They may have a heavier weighted keyboard and other items which adds some of the weight. Maybe Yamaha changing to aluminum case might only add 4 or 5 lbs.
Mike

[rphillipchuk]

NOT to start a new rumor but in my quest to get the CVP 809, the dealership said to expect something new in June next year.......again do not want to start a new rumor !!!!!!!

[David L]

I worked in a music store for many years and can say that information given out from sales reps were usually pretty close to what eventually came out.  I find it interesting that one such tidbit is a Genos with 3 different size keyboards!

It will be fun to see if Yamaha does produce 3 different Genos models or if they do the custom order approach for them.  Having to stock 3 very expensive arranger keyboards might be to much for regular keyboard outlets.  Time will surely tell.   

Thanks to all for this information.

Best,
David

[Toril S]

I just visited our store. No rumours of a new Genos. All they know is that Yamaha is still struggling with shortsge of parts, lousy chain of delivery and so forth. So we better fire up the Genos we have and be happy making music with it for a long time to come!

[Gunnar Jonny]

So we better fire up the Genos we have and be happy making music with it for a long time to come!

Yeah, and we can add another new TOTL competitor to keep Genos company as well as we can be challenged with new OS and features.
Never a dull moment. .

[Toril S]

I added a Casio piano with arranger functions a year ago, but use the styles on it very little, they do not copare with Yamaha! But to be fair, this is a digital piano, not a full arranger. As a piano I am very satisfied with it.

[mikf]

And again to be fair a very different price category.

[stephenm52]

All they know is that Yamaha is still struggling with shortage of parts, lousy chain of delivery and so forth. So we better fire up the Genos we have and be happy making music with it for a long time to come!

Plus one!

[pjd]

I just visited our store. No rumours of a new Genos. All they know is that Yamaha is still struggling with shortsge of parts, lousy chain of delivery and so forth. So we better fire up the Genos we have and be happy making music with it for a long time to come!

++1 

Yamaha is also adjusting regional prices. Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) for Reface went up $50 USD at the beginning of October. Availability doesn't seem to have improved, either. 

Saving my pennies for CK61/CK88, if that looks interesting when it is finally announced.

Take care -- pj

[Amwilburn]

++1 

Yamaha is also adjusting regional prices. Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) for Reface went up $50 USD at the beginning of October. Availability doesn't seem to have improved, either. 

Saving my pennies for CK61/CK88, if that looks interesting when it is finally announced.

Take care -- pj

Not here! At least not yet; same price for years,

Mark

[ton37]

Wrong info Jeff, that was 'old'  about FIRMWARE version 2 of Genos (sometimes Genos is called therefore Genos2) and it wasn't Peter Baartmans neither 

[Whitecolin11]

You wrote that Yamaha should metal/aluminum casing for the next Genos like Korg does because it will only add 1-2 kg (the Pa5x is indeed very beautiful and sleek) but the PA5x76 weighs *10 lbs more* than the Genos. I'd love sturdier casing as well, but weight matters too.

So what`s your overall impression of the PA5X is it a step forwqrd or a comparative alternative

[EileenL]

That was Martin Harris demonstrating the content of the version two pack which we all got well over a year ago. It was also a 76 note not 61.
  I don't see any dangerous competitors. I tend to find you are either a Korg user or a Yamaha user. Some have both. Most of us I am sure will stick with what we feel comfortable with and that suits our needs.

[ton37]

Although this is a Yamaha forum, it usually doesn't help for a clean discussion to always articulate the 'which is the best' element. What is 'best' for one person may be 'worst' for another. In addition, you have to take into account other yammies who cannot or do not want to afford a 'top model' otherwise you will soon get the 'us' and 'them' discussion. Just stick to the facts and discuss the various functionalities of the different keyboard models, just exchange experiences or views with each other, without always having to indicate a qualification as described above. Then see for yourself what you can do with it.
Ultimately, playing with the keyboard should bind us and not separate us because of preference for a particular brand or model. Be happy that the consumer has choices ... happy keyboarding

[EileenL]

Why are you so obsessed with which is better and which people will bye what Geff. It gets a little boring going over and over the same thing
  Maybe you would like to tell us what you are going to buy.
Please lets have something a little more interesting.

[Del]

Hey Eileen :

I would be grateful, like many other people, I guess, if Yamaha are
willing to inform us what their future plans are by answering following simple question  :

" Can we expect a Genos ' successor next year ? ".

Sorry, I am not obsessed at all ...

Jeff you should know by now that Yamaha will reveal their next release date of a new arranger or information regarding to when they are good and ready and not before, if you do not realise this  you are blinkered, I do think you are obsessed and impatient, so when the great reveal emerges are you going to buy one?
I am in the market for a new keyboard so I am waiting patiently for Yamahas new flagship, I also agree with Eileen this is getting tiresome, your not going to buy any other make but Yamaha so why not just wait to see what Yamaha bring out, then you can be elated what they have made or disappointed because it has not come up to your expectations

[Bill]

Hi Jeff

I partly understand, however only Yamaha knows the answer, so why not just accept it and wait. I appreciate you might find it interesting to carry on the general discussion ( I suppose it passes the time), just tell us what Yamaha needs to do to make you part with some of the money you have saved by NOT buying what you say is the best Arranger on the planet.

Bill

[Keyboard Master]

Dear friends,

I have wrote an actual article of my personal and biggest wishes list for new generation of the Genos. I hope my option will be useful for you.

Here my article about new Genos2: https://psrstyles.com/our-blog/yamaha-keyboard-news/43-yamaha-genos-2-coming.html

Thank you So much

That Article I just read it very interesting and I agree with all addition features mentioned. Also for style creator be able to edit/change velocities to allow the channels to use different voices. and for SFF Format be able to Convert the SFF format to SFF1 to use on older/smaller keyboards like the psr e for exampe.

[Joe H]

I think some simple improvements to the next PSR sx9xx like:

Improved keybed (eliminate the black key noise)
USB 3.0
Double the expansion memory
3 pedal inputs
4 live Control knobs
Double the arpeggios to choose from

These simple improvements would be enough to make the PSR line truly professional keyboard.

Joe H

[BogdanH]

Agree with Joe H about PSR-SX improvements, of course!

About keybed.. It's not only black keys, white are also affected, although the the problem is less noticeable. The thing is, over the time (as we adapted), we forgot how silent keybed was when new.
When we wish for USB3.0, we wish for speed increase.. But USB3.0 alone is only half the equation -actual speed depends on the rest of the hardware & firmware. Current situation, for example: USB2.0 has speed of up to 60MB/s, which means a 500Mbyte pack could be loaded in less than 10 seconds -reality is, it takes 10-times longer.

Being at wishes: get rid of (ancient) one pack install limit. It should be possible to install additional packs (if there's enough space) AND it should be possible to remove single particular pack -I mean, do I really ask for too much?

Bogdan

[EileenL]

The mid-range keyboard usually come along two to three years after the Flagship launch. Too early to talk about it yet.

[Amwilburn]

Yes and no. Eileen is correct, that the *new* PSRsx series won't arrive until a couple of years after the Genos 2 arrives. However, they *have* made stopgap upgrade PSRs's.
The psr2100 came out a couple of years after the PSR2000, and 1 year before the PSR3000. The 2100 and 2000 were the same thing except they added a USB b port and a better piano, if I recall. Likewise, the PSRs970 and s975 were electronically identical in every way except the half bar fill and 4 sample packs preloaded, an a 50% larger sample area. Again the s975 came out 1 year before the actual upgrade, the sx900.

So we *might* see aPSRsx905 /705 before then, which would be the same sound library and sound chip, but with a handful of extras.

Mark