New TOTL Arranger from Ketron

[Henni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuzRuAO_0Mo

https://youtu.be/gDIAn_SnYWA

[mikf]

Henni
The discussion on the Event has been interesting, I have followed and participated in it myself. But I am beginning to think that your barrage of Event videos may be taking it too far and starting to seem like promotion rather than information or discussion.
I think it's time to cut this back.
Mike

[Henni]

Henni
The discussion on the Event has been interesting, I have followed and participated in it myself. But I am beginning to think that your barrage of Event videos may be taking it too far and starting to seem like promotion rather than information or discussion.
I think it's time to cut this back.
Mike

Okay, point taken Because there are so few videos available, I up to now posted every single video I could find. I will no longer do so. I have no reason to promote this product, same as I had no reason to promote any of the other fantastic software products I posted here over all these years. I like to share all my good finds with others and so I'm sure sometimes a go a bit over the top - that's just my nature.

I did same for all the outstanding Yamaha add-ons I've found over all these years (which also found much resistance from others over here) so I am not biased in all of this. If it's good it's good - that's all - no more & no less.

But I do get & understand your point. Tx for letting me know.

Henni

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Henni
The discussion on the Event has been interesting, I have followed and participated in it myself. But I am beginning to think that your barrage of Event videos may be taking it too far and starting to seem like promotion rather than information or discussion.
I think it's time to cut this back.
Mike

I say let the people have their say.
It is great to have banter and communication.
Members will always talk about comparisons and hopefully Yamaha will see this as well
People communicating is the main thing.


All the best
john

[tyrosman]

what i still cant understand is to why this Ketron Event Rubbish was ever posted on the Genos Part of the forum enough said on the Matter

[keynote]

what i still cant understand is to why this Ketron Event Rubbish was ever posted on the Genos Part of the forum enough said on the Matter

I think one reason is that the Ketron Event is a high-end arranger like the Genos so the Genos forum is probably the best place to discuss other high-end arrangers. Since this website is basically about Yamaha keyboards only, therefore the only way to find out what other high-end arranger keyboards are out there is to post about those arranger keyboards on this forum. We all love our Genos, but it doesn't hurt to discover what the competition offers, for one, to let Yamaha staff (who undoubtedly browse this forum) what we, as Genos owners, would like to see on the Genos successor. The Ketron Event has raised the bar regarding its real audio samples technology and the actual instrument sounds are excellent to superb, ICYMI. Btw, the more I listen to the Ketron Event the more interested I have become in possibly getting one. But, I will wait a while to see what Yamaha unveils, although if Yammmie waits too long they could lose a big chunk of market share to Korg & Ketron.

Btw, here's another Ketron Event video. This video is in English.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrPaE56RQ7w&t=219s

All the best,
Mike

[Henni]

My tip to find the newest videos on anything on utube:

1. Open utube.

2. In the search tab, type in what you are trying to find i.e. K____n E___t.

3. As soon as the results show, look just above the very top video for the "Filter" tab.

4. Select "Today"

In this way you skip all the old stuff and see only what's new.

[Jeff Hollande]

Delivery status of Event has changed at Thomann from "2-3 weeks" to "Available in several months" (same as for Korg Pa5X now).

Wonder what the real reason is why the Event first delivery's dates have been postponed for months now : shortage of parts and/or ... too many software or other issues ?

It looks like Yamaha's competitors, Korg ( PA5X ) and Ketron, seem to have technical problems though. 
Wish for them both and their ( potential ) customers the present problems will and can be solved soon.
It might be more serious than we may think, I guess. 

Happy New Year, JH

[EileenL]

Why concern yourself with what might or might not be. Just sit back and wait. What will be will be.

[Henni]

For those who want to continue to watch this kind of topic, please go here:

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/507351#Post507351

I'll try my best to keep it updated.

Henni

[Lee Batchelor]

Henni, I went to that page and only found one duplicate. It's,

https://youtu.be/QScDR98EKNY

I did it by copying and pasting the links into MS Word, and then sorting them alphabetically. You scan the list and any duplicates are easily seen. Also, "youtube" is spelled as "youtu.be" in places. I don't know if that's correct.

Thanks for the link 👍.

[Henni]

Hi Lee,

Thank you so much my kindest friend - you saved me a lot of trouble. I fill fix it now.

All the best,

Henni

[Lee Batchelor]

Glad to help, Henni! Stay well my friend.

I attached a picture of the document so you could see the list in alphabetical order.

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[Henni]

FULL presentation by AJ now included for those interested. Please note, I will rarely post anything in this thread any more. Should you wish to follow the continuation of this topic in detail, then please go to the link provided.

[tyrosman]

hi all i found this fill your boots i still think Genos is the best by far  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrPaE56RQ7w

[BogdanH]

Thank you for posting that video tyrosman

... i still think Genos is the best by far..

-can't say which is the best, but that blues accompaniment on Ketron (near the end of video) is simply stunning -never heard similar before. I think that's not only because of Ketron's different style approach, but also because of extremely good voices. I'm very impressed to say the least.

Bogdan

[tyrosman]

what is inside is Band in a box

[ton37]

what is inside is Band in a box

And ehhh .. the recent Yammies are inside Cubase? 🤔

[EileenL]

My Yamaha is certainly not inside Cue Base or any other programme.

[ton37]

Why Yamaha bought Steinberg? Don't think only for Cubase as a software synthesizer? They can use (and certainli do) lot of software elements in their new keyboards too?

[soundphase]

It's clear for me that our arranger is no more than a powerful computer containing a real-time software able to analyze midi messages to dynamically compute numeric waveforms from initial samples and algorithms.
Buttons and keyboard are just sensors to generate these midi messages that could otherwise be injected from a sequencer software like Cubase.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Cubase and Genos work well for me.
Cubase is mainly for vst instrument midi and wave editing. Midi keyboards and Steinberg supports the Genos but asking questions about Genos on their forums gets very few answers. You have to figure it out for yourself.
The midi side for Genos has improved and editing is a breeze.
I used to have to set every track up, but now it recognizes each midi track without a template.
The time for templates is once in wave format. That would be for setting up an effect chain for tracks and master bus.
I am now getting the hang of it all and it is slowly coming together. Trying to find your workflow is the thing. also priming your ears  takes time when your older.
With Cubase you need a fast computer and a decent amount of ram for processing and then your problems are very small.
Hopefully the new Genos is not too far away now.

All i want is better electric and Acoustic guitars, Strings and certain brass instruments.I cannot fault the rest.
For me The Genos is worth keeping until the next release.


All the Best
John

[tyrosman]

My Yamaha is certainly not inside Cue Base or any other programme.

Neither is mine

[Lee Batchelor]

Hi
Cubase and Genos work well for me.
Cubase is mainly for vst instrument midi and wave editing. Midi keyboards and Steinberg supports the Genos but asking questions about Genos on their forums gets very few answers. You have to figure it out for yourself.
The midi side for Genos has improved and editing is a breeze.
I used to have to set every track up, but now it recognizes each midi track without a template.
The time for templates is once in wave format. That would be for setting up an effect chain for tracks and master bus.
I am now getting the hang of it all and it is slowly coming together. Trying to find your workflow is the thing. also priming your ears is takes time when your older.
With Cubase you need a fast computer and a decent amount of ram for processing and then your problems are very small.
Hopefully the new Genos is not too far away now.

All i want is better electric and Acoustic guitars, Strings and certain brass instruments. I cannot fault the rest.
For me The Genos is worth keeping until the next release.
All the Best
John

And there's my point, John. I know you and I have tossed the idea of recording the Genos into Cubase for three years now. It's taken you a lot of that time to figure out how to do just that. Between that and the lack of discussions on the Cubase forum, Yamaha REALLY needs to provide a decent interface for such purposes or take the information about recording to a DAW out of their manual! Yes, it can be done but like their Style Creator, it's so confusing and full of trap doors that the time it takes to learn it is just not worth it. I like to spend my time behind my Genos trying to become a better player. I'm a good enough player to be recorded but I simply refuse to spend 90% of that time as a computer geek instead of a musician. To those who have mastered these things, my hat's off to you. Perhaps you could write out the procedure better than Yamaha does in their manual.

Hopefully, Genos 2 will be designed for musicians and not computer geeks when it comes to these features.

[J. Larry]

Lee's point------"but I simply refuse to spend 90% of that time as a computer geek instead of a musician."  My sentiments exactly.  With tunes to learn, gig plans to make, and all the rest, let's get straight to the music.

[ckobu]

Communication between Genos and any DAW program should not cause any problems. It primarily depends on how well you know how to handle the DAW program, and it does not depend on the limitation on Genos. Everything can be easily set up and recorded in both directions. This is an example of how to record a MIDI channel to a separate Style Creator channel.

https://youtu.be/KY-kUes8pZU

Of course, this procedure will not be described in the Instructions for Genos because it is a procedure that is directly related to handling the DAW. The same applies to other similar actions.

[EileenL]

I agree with you Lee. I like playing music and recording it using just what I have in front of me, my Genos.
  A little time spent at first setting it up to how I wanted it and I have never looked back.

[Lee Batchelor]

First off Casper, it's NOT easy for 99% of the people who own a Genos or any arranger for that matter. Just because you were able to figure it out, doesn't solve the issue or means it's easy. Secondly, you show me where Steinberg has documented how to use their wonderful program with an arranger keyboard. If the information is there, it's new to me. You're right in that it's up to them to include that information. They just don't care enough to do it.

The method of setting up and recording any arranger keyboard resides in a technological "wasteland." Neither Yamaha nor Steinberg will devote the time to make it easy for the masses because there's no money in it for them. The fact that you and John (and darn few others) have mastered it is proof that more work needs to be done to make it easier for those of us who have the musical talent to record but not the tech skills to even get started. It's a confusing mess. I've tried a million times to get the signal paths correct. Each time I've recorded several tracks, one instrument comes back as bells and whistles or something even more stupid. Life's too short to waste time trying to achieve something that should have been properly documented.

Ironically, I've recorded synths using Cubase and other DAWS, and have over 150 hours of music tracks to my credit. I've pre-scored dozens of songs for live theatre using a simple MIDI controller keyboard and a sound module. Arrangers are a totally different animal. Their architecture is MIDI based but the setups are very different from recording synths or VST instruments.

By the way, all the best synths come with utility software that makes DAW integration easy and instant. The Genos costs far more than most synths and we get nothing for software integration. No sir, it's NOT easy and Yamaha should stop promoting their Genos as suitable for DAW recording.

Thanks for the video. I'll get a look.

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Lee :

Wonder if you' d agree with my following conclusion.

Very simply said : an arranger keyboard is originally made for " the home player " and still is, IMHO.
The arranger is a one man band concept : a full pro orchestra, choir included, and a mic in one box. 
Left hand : chords ( complete backing track ), right hand : melody and solo parts.
Voila : a complete song is made in a couple of minutes.
Manufacturers are continously trying to improve the sound quality and other features by updating and upgrading all technical aspects of the arranger to keep the business running.

However, a synth is a real workstation to create music from 0 to a complete arrangement, step by step.
The synth is also a very usable instrument to play in a band.

Best regards, JH

[soundphase]

If you're interested, there is another video on YouTube whose title is "La Clé De Sol Flers Démo Ketron Event Christian Delacour 2023 01 06". 
It shows a demo of the Ketron Event played as a "usual arranger" by a "usual player".
Far more interesting for me to get a good overview of the Ketron Event.