Copy drum styles to User area

[sugarplumsss]

Copy drum styles to User area?

How is this done?
I am beginning to use t4 in an even more unorthodox way. I am saving almost no registrations. In the past I was using registrations.

Presently, I am changing the volumes of five parts in real time during a performance.
The time between songs on this particular gig is unusually long.. I have time to choose a
!. new drum style
2. drop the volume to a "safe level" ( no rude surprises )  before turning volume up for start of song.
3. Divine a tempo
4. maybe switch one of the right hand voices from the previous trio of R hand voices!!

I am beginning to consider changing a drum style, during performance of a song
Eg Acoustic Drum swing beat to the Manhattan drum beat.

Another consideration is a song like NY NY, with multiple tempo changes.
I am sure registration can be used. I have my reasons for not using large numbers of registrations, yet.


I want an edited version of a drum style to be just as easily accessible, as the present presets location for Drum styles.

How and in what location, would banks of edited drum styles, be saved as edited drum styles?

[DrakeM]

I think you are learning why I use custom made song styles, as I change out not only drums parts and sets BUT I tweak the volume of the pieces within the RHY2 slot at times. I use registrations to combine 2 different styles because of tempo and major rhythm changes, also key changes at times. 

Regards
Drake

[Fred Smith]

It depends on your definition of "just as easily accessible". Do you mean fewer button pushes, or easier to find?

If you mean fewer button pushes, it can't be done. Regardless of where your user styles are, you will have to tab to the drive they're on. So you'll always have one more button push. I don't think this is an issue, and I don't care what drive they're on, as I can always find them easily, but your mileage may vary.

If you mean easier to find, I think user styles are, because they're always in alphabetical order. I get frustrated trying to find a preset style because they're in seeming random order. Alphabetical makes more sense to me.

The key to "easily accessible" in my mind is to have a system you follow. It doesn't much matter what system. If you're always experimenting with something new, it will never be easily accessible.

Cheers,
Fred

[sugarplumsss]

My gig is a blessing, in that, there are few drum styles.

1.Acoustic swing- different tempi for different songs , from quite slow to maybe 150 bpm
2.Manhattan Swing 3rd variation has a nice back beat
3.cha cha cha
4.rhumba
5.bolero
6.6/8 ( 12/8 ) ballad
7.Waltz on the slow side

There is a kind of swing that has a more pronounced 12/8 feel underneath. eg "That's Life". I wish I had that
and there is a shuffle beat, that seems to have slipped through the cracks of all the drum styles.. eg Louie Prima, comes to mind. That kind of Shuffle is on my Wish List
8.A Samba
9.A bossa nova

These could "fit" on one page of t4  but in some sort of user fashion.
What are the steps to changing preset drum style to user type?
Thank you

[Fred Smith]

My gig is a blessing, in that, there are few drum styles.

1.Acoustic swing- different tempi for different songs , from quite slow to maybe 150 bpm
2.Manhattan Swing 3rd variation has a nice back beat
3.cha cha cha
4.rhumba
5.bolero
6.6/8 ( 12/8 ) ballad
7.Waltz on the slow side

Wow. That's boring. You should take up dancing, and see if you like each dance being the same style all night long. I know I wouldn't. Try some variety.

Cheers,
Fred

[sugarplumsss]

Fred
Those simpler older styles are what some gigs call for.

Fred..   "Fewer button pushes vs easier to find'? I would choose "easier to find"... the user drum styles.

[Fred Smith]

Fred
Those simpler older styles are what some gigs call for.

Fred..   "Fewer button pushes vs easier to find'? I would choose "easier to find"... the user drum styles.

Easiest to find = registrations.

Next easiest = user styles: Style>Tab to User>navigate to desired style.

Cheers,
Fred

[sugarplumsss]

I paid a technical person to come to my house and show me how to alter the too loud bass drum in eg the bossa nova.
I showed him the Song Creator approach, where one actually sees a long list of every MIDI note 'played" in a style, and one by one, you change, attenuate each bass drum volume.

He somehow found another way, unfortunately two problems
1. when he saved his work. he could not FIND the saved style with the edited drum style.
2. He did not show me how he accomplished his edit.
He did NOT use master eq... to the best of my recall.

I think he was in some kind of voice edit. or voice setting... but I could be wrong.
The tech, however, was generally over his head... and I wasted a LOT of money with him.

Can you kindly suggest one or even two ways to lower the bass drum in a drum style?
I think I can figure out the method mentioned above, where one adjusts each bass drum entry in the long MIDI list.

But I think there is another way.
I don't understand, what ought to be simple; how to save style, and readily locate it.

Thank you very much

[DrakeM]

The only way is as you have described when using just your keyboard's style creator. After you adjust the NOTE volume value lower, you will need to save the style as a Custom Style with a NAME.

I do this kind of editing all the time and sometimes have even deleted one of the drum beats or changed its VOICE altogether.

Regards
Drake

[sugarplumsss]

Drake said "The only way is as you have described when using just your keyboard's style creator. After you adjust the NOTE volume value lower, you will need to save the style as a Custom Style with a NAME"
this is helpful, thank you Drake. I am still not seeing the path entirely.. to having edited drum style ( meaning ONLY drum turned on, all other parts not on ) .

I imagine I can save these custom styles not only in User, but also in HD and USB?
I am unclear about what I will call, the "status of this edited style".
Is it a registration? I ask because up until this day, I use preset styles.. and they are not registrations.

I am hoping I can have on the main screen the same options with custom style, as with preset styles!

Does the customized style have to be a registration; can it be almost a facsimile of the presets?  in other words, ready to be saved as a registration?
But in a "pre registration" state, same as preset styles.
I know presets are in ROM. and edited versions are not in ROM, and this may prevent me from using customized styles as easily as I use preset styles.

I hope this makes sense to someone here.
Thank you

[sugarplumsss]

Wow. That's boring. You should take up dancing, and see if you like each dance being the same style all night long. I know I wouldn't. Try some variety.

Cheers,
Fred

Late to respond... But how is a cha cha, the same as a swing, or a fox trot, or waltz, or rhumba!  These were the styles of many folks back when I first started in music business. There were no nine million genres... it was much simpler, and not boring.

My boss is back in that time space.. and surprisingly, it is entertaining.

[Fred Smith]

Late to respond... But how is a cha cha, the same as a swing, or a fox trot, or waltz, or rhumba!  These were the styles of many folks back when I first started in music business. There were no nine million genres... it was much simpler, and not boring.

My boss is back in that time space.. and surprisingly, it is entertaining.
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You should have several cha cha styles, several rhumba styles, several waltz styles, etc. Dancers want a consistent tempo, not a consistent style.

Cheers,
Fred

[sugarplumsss]

If you care to list the wide variety of waltz, swing, Latin,, I am interested.
I have never followed through on the idea, but I wanted to go to a dance studio to get ideas on tempo, songs, etc from dancer perspective.

I have played many dances, in my time, but I am always interested in improving.

[Fred Smith]

If you care to list the wide variety of waltz, swing, Latin,, I am interested.
I have never followed through on the idea, but I wanted to go to a dance studio to get ideas on tempo, songs, etc from dancer perspective.

I have played many dances, in my time, but I am always interested in improving.

1. Just google ballroom dance tempos to find out the tempo that dancers want for each type of dance:
Waltz 84 - 90 beats per minute
Viennese Waltz 174 - 180 beats per minute
Foxtrot 112 - 120 beats per minute
Quickstep 200 - 208 beats per minute
Tango 120 - 140 beats per minute
Cha Cha Cha 120 - 128 beats per minute
Rumba 100 - 108 beats per minute
Samba 96 - 104 beats per minute
Jive 168 - 184 beats per minute

2. The number of styles in the Ballroom category alone (40 of them on a Genos) should tell you dancers like different styles, they just want a consistent tempo.

Cheers,
Fred