How to connect Genos Digital out to PC ?

[sunny]

 Friends,

I wan't to connect Genos Digital out to Computer for live streaming audio . So is this possible ? If yes, what cables i have to use ?

Thanks,
Sunny

[vanzee]

I did this like this:

Audio Coax jack > "Coax/Toslink converter" > "Toslink" > Toslink input of sound card PC.

Coax / Toslink converter (with power supply):
"König Digital Audio converter SPDIF RCA to Toslink"

https://www.tvspecialisten.be/konig-tvs2504?gclid=
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https://www.google.com/search?q=k%C3%B6nig+digital+audio+converter&oq=
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The output signal can be adjusted in Genos from -6db to + 12db.
Genos> Utility> Speaker Connectivity> "Digital Out Level"

I mainly use this for recording from Genos to PC.

[rbackes]

Hi Sunny,

I use an ESI U24 XL USB Interface https://www.esi-audio.com/products/u24xl/ to connect the koax digital link to my PC. It was the 'cheapest' semi-pro solution I could find (~ 99 €). It works great.

The ESI box has the advantage of having a real ASIO-capable driver, which gives you the full 24bit resolution. If you want to stream live (e.g. Jamolus) you can feed the ASIO-stream directly to that application. Also Voicemeeter works great with this, but adds one buffer latency.

On my keyboard-PC (Intel NUC i5 Gen I could reduce the ASIO-buffer size to 64 samples w/o drops. With 32 samples I got some dropouts.

Rainer

[sunny]

Friends,
Thank you very much for your replies. Is it possible to directly connect  Genos digital output to the PC motherboard ?

Thanks,
Sunny

[overover]

... Is it possible to directly connect  Genos digital output to the PC motherboard ? ...

Hi sunny,

yes, if the PC motherboard has a suitable digital input (for digital format "CD/DAT", also called S/PDIF).

If no such digital input is directly on the PC motherboard, you can use a suitable external USB Audio Interface.

By the way: The Genos outputs a digital signal of 44.1 kHz/24 bit.)


Best regards,
Chris

[jwyvern]

Just a question from someone who is genuinely interested to know.
If you use a converter to make the digital signal acceptable for a PC (and presumably degrading it somewhat in the process) what is the advantage gained over feeding the line outs themselves directly to the PC? Are the lineouts not doing the same (ie. taking the digital and converting/ degrading it, this time all internally within Genos itself) ?

John

[overover]

Just a question from someone who is genuinely interested to know.
If you use a converter to make the digital signal acceptable for a PC (and presumably degrading it somewhat in the process) what is the advantage gained over feeding the line outs themselves directly to the PC? Are the lineouts not doing the same (ie. taking the digital and converting/ degrading it, this time all internally within Genos itself) ?

John

Hi John,

the advantage of using the Genos digital output is that the Audio data generated by the Genos is sent directly to the PC in digital form. It makes no difference here whether the PC has an onboard S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) compatible digital input or whether the data has to be converted into digital USB Audio data beforehand (e.g. with an external USB Audio Interface which, in addition to the usual analog inputs (jack sockets / XLR sockets), also has an S/PDIF input). This type of conversion is completely lossless, as it's completely on the digital level.

Normally, the digital Audio data generated by the Genos are converted into an analog Audio signal using the built-in DA converters (Digital/Analog converters, DAC) in order to make them audible to the human ear. The DA converters of the headphone output, SUB/AUX outputs and the outputs for the Genos loudspeaker system have a resolution of 24-bit, the DA converters of the Genos LINE OUTs even have a 32-bit resolution and thus an even better dynamic range. (CD quality "only" has a resolution of 16-bit.)

If the analog Genos LINE OUTs are connected to a USB Audio Interface, the analog Audio signal (which was previously converted in the Genos from digital to analog via the 32-bit DA converters) is converted back to a digital Audio signal via the AD converters (Analog/Digital converter, ADC) of the Audio Interface (mostly "only" with 24-bit resolution) and then sent to the computer via USB. Compared to the use of the Genos digital output, this additional DA>AD conversion (theoretically) worsens the signal a little. (The better the Audio Interface and its AD converters, the less the difference you will notice compared to using the Genos digital output.)


The "worst" option would be to connect the Genos analog LINE OUTs directly to the analog LINE IN on the PC's motherboard. The AD converters of these onboard sound chips are nowhere near the quality of a "decent" external Audio Interface.


Hope this helps!


Best regards,
Chris

[sunny]

 Hi Chris and Rainer,

My PC motherboard has no SPDIF input, having only HDMI and USB 3.0  sockets.  In order to use SPDIF output of Genos, Which convertor is better either SPDIF to HDMI or SPDIF to USB ? Please clarify.

Thanks,
Sunny

[Wim NL]

I use the UR44C to connect my Genos to my PC with Cubase 11pro.
Only you can't use the digital out from the Genos with this.
but the sound quality is superb wit analoge to USB digital

Maybe a digital mixer with digital input USB output will do the job.

I also have another PC with Digital input on the soundscard and that works fine.

[overover]

Hi Chris and Rainer,

My PC motherboard has no SPDIF input, having only HDMI and USB 3.0  sockets.  In order to use SPDIF output of Genos, Which convertor is better either SPDIF to HDMI or SPDIF to USB ? Please clarify. ...

Hi Sunny,

the HDMI format is not used in this case. What you need is a USB 2 or USB 3 Audio Interface that has a coaxial S / PDIF input (in addition to the analog Inputs and Outputs). The monitor speakers used are usually connected to the analog OUTPUTS of the Audio Interface (i.e. not directly to the PC sound card).

Make sure that the Audio Interface is compatible with the Windows version used on the PC and with the DAW software used.

Here are two examples:
>>> https://www.thomann.de/gb/esi_u24_xl.htm?ref=intl&shp=eyJjb3VudHJ5IjoiZ2IiLCJjdXJyZW5jeSI6NCwibGFuZ3VhZ2UiOiJlbiJ9
>>> https://www.thomann.de/gb/focusrite_scarlett_8i6_3rd_gen.htm?ref=intl&shp=eyJjb3VudHJ5IjoiZ2IiLCJjdXJyZW5jeSI6NCwibGFuZ3VhZ2UiOiJlbiJ9


Best regards,
Chris

[jwyvern]

Hi John,

the advantage of using the Genos digital output is that the Audio data generated by the Genos is sent directly to the PC in digital form. It makes no difference here whether the PC has an onboard S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) compatible digital input or whether the data has to be converted into digital USB Audio data beforehand (e.g. with an external USB Audio Interface which, in addition to the usual analog inputs (jack sockets / XLR sockets), also has an S/PDIF input). This type of conversion is completely lossless, as it's completely on the digital level.

Normally, the digital Audio data generated by the Genos are converted into an analog Audio signal using the built-in DA converters (Digital/Analog converters, DAC) in order to make them audible to the human ear. The DA converters of the headphone output, SUB/AUX outputs and the outputs for the Genos loudspeaker system have a resolution of 24-bit, the DA converters of the Genos LINE OUTs even have a 32-bit resolution and thus an even better dynamic range. (CD quality "only" has a resolution of 16-bit.)

If the analog Genos LINE OUTs are connected to a USB Audio Interface, the analog Audio signal (which was previously converted in the Genos from digital to analog via the 32-bit DA converters) is converted back to a digital Audio signal via the AD converters (Analog/Digital converter, ADC) of the Audio Interface (mostly "only" with 24-bit resolution) and then sent to the computer via USB. Compared to the use of the Genos digital output, this additional DA>AD conversion (theoretically) worsens the signal a little. (The better the Audio Interface and its AD converters, the less the difference you will notice compared to using the Genos digital output.)


The "worst" option would be to connect the Genos analog LINE OUTs directly to the analog LINE IN on the PC's motherboard. The AD converters of these onboard sound chips are nowhere near the quality of a "decent" external Audio Interface.


Hope this helps!


Best regards,
Chris

Hi Chris, many thanks for the detailed and clear response. So the technical advantage of using digital out is the elimination of the extra conversion stage necessary when using line outs. The latter degrades the sound somewhat compared to using only digital, the amount depending on the spec. of the DAC in use.
Since I use a cheap (£20) 16bit USB Behringer adapter if I record to PC there is room for improvement. I might spend some cash on a 24bit adapter which also has digital input and see if I can notice any improvements 

Regards John