Left Voice Pitch Bend

[HarleyRider]

My PSRS750 manual says I can apply PB to the left voice.  I set the PB to 1 - or any other number - and nothing.  Is there another setting I must make somewhere?

[HarleyRider]

Hello out there!  i'm sure someone who is much smarter than me about these KB's knows the answer.  I'm doing a gig in about a week and would really like to do this song which needs the pitch bend to work on the left voice.

[Janus]

My PSRS750 manual says I can apply PB to the left voice.  I set the PB to 1 - or any other number - and nothing.  Is there another setting I must make somewhere?

The pb is only for the left voice you can set on and also hold to let it sustain till the next chord change
But how want you to use the pitchband
You have to play with the left hand the voice
Only with the righthand cross over you can add pb
Better make a double split use the 3th part for the voice you need for pb
Then you can play with the right hand the voice and use the left hand for pb

[jwyvern]

Hi Harley,
I seem to recall finding that PB using the mod wheel would not work on Tyros left voices either.
On Genos, PB on the left voice does work if you set it above zero and the ACMP button is off, but the PB does not work with the joystick (mod wheel in  your case?) if ACMP is on. You might find it is similar on your keyboard.

Having said that, if you need ACMP to be on you should be able to assign a pedal to PB on the L voice or possibly more conveniently Glide and use that. Ensure there is a tick in the Left pedal selection box (I am assuming the setting is similar to Genos).

John

[HarleyRider]

I have set up a song that I"m playing using a double split.  The lower section of the keyboard is used for the style - basically changing chords.  The middle section is for the Left hand voice - the voice is an organ.  The right section is for the Right hand voice - half drive guitar.  I play a riff with the guitar, and then begin the same riff with the left hand in a way that allows the two voices to over lap for a short period of time thus producing the sound I desire.  The PB works nicely with the guitar voice, but does nothing with the organ.

In the Mixing Console screen under the Tune tab, the PB setting is set for 1 for both Left and Right 1&2.  Is there something else I should check?

[overover]

I have set up a song that I"m playing using a double split.  The lower section of the keyboard is used for the style - basically changing chords.  The middle section is for the Left hand voice - the voice is an organ. The right section is for the Right hand voice - half drive guitar.  I play a riff with the guitar, and then begin the same riff with the left hand in a way that allows the two voices to over lap for a short period of time thus producing the sound I desire.  The PB works nicely with the guitar voice, but does nothing with the organ.

In the Mixing Console screen under the Tune tab, the PB setting is set for 1 for both Left and Right 1&2.  Is there something else I should check?

Hi HarleyRider,

do you use an "Organ Flutes" Voice for the LEFT Voice? This voice type may not respond to the Pitch Bend wheel. (I've never tried this before.)

Please try a different Voice for the LEFT Part (e.g. a Guitar). If the "Pitch Bend Range" for LEFT is set to a value not equal to zero under "Mixing Console> TUNE tab", the PB wheel should also respond to LEFT.

If that works, you could look for a sample-based Organ Voice to be use for LEFT. This Voice should then actually react to the PB wheel.

Note: In order for the "Pitch Band Range" parameter for the LEFT Part to be saved in Registrations, the "STYLE" checkmark must be set in the MEMORY dialog. (For the RIGHT parts, the "Pitch Bend Range" is saved with the checkmark "VOICE" in Registrations.)

Hope this helps!


Best regards,
Chris

[HarleyRider]

OverOver

Thanks for the response.  I selected the same guitar voice for the Left as for the Right.  The Right responds to the PB, but the Left voice does not.  Under the Tune tab, both Left and Right voices are set to 1.

Within the Memory dialog, everything is set as you say.

[Janus]

There are voices better use no pitch band
Voices like Piano or Organs
Keep Piano sounds clean and use for Organs the tremmelo effect

[overover]

OverOver

Thanks for the response.  I selected the same guitar voice for the Left as for the Right.  The Right responds to the PB, but the Left voice does not.  Under the Tune tab, both Left and Right voices are set to 1.

Within the Memory dialog, everything is set as you say.

Hi HarleyRider,

have you tested if Pitch Bend is working for LEFT when ACMP is off (as mentioned by John above)?


Best regards,
Chris

[HarleyRider]

Overover

Just tested it and it does work with ACMP off.  What does this mean?

[overover]

Overover

Just tested it and it does work with ACMP off.  What does this mean?

Obviously ithis is a bug that have never been fixed by Yamaha so far. Unfortunately I have no solution for you to get the PB working for the Left Voice in Style mode.

Best regards,
Chris

[HarleyRider]

Onward and upward.  Thanks.

[overover]

Hi HarleyRider,

I forgot to mention the following:

The Pitch Bend range value is also saved in the OTS. So, if you use the original OTS of the Preset Styles, the PB range of the LEFT Part will be reset to zero. Be careful also if you use the OTS LINK function. It would be best in this case NOT to use Preset OTS, switching off OTS LINK, but memorize all changes to Registrations.

If the use of PB for the LEFT part still does not work with activated ACMP, there could be  really a bug in the Firmware.

P.S.
The PB ranges of the Keyboard Parts can also be changed using MIDI files, if so-called "Keyboard Voice Meta Events" have been saved in the MIDI files (in the Song Creator). If you have linked MIDI files in some of your  Registrations, make sure that these MIDI files do NOT contain any Keyboard Voice Events.


Best regards,
Chris

[jwyvern]

Overover

Just tested it and it does work with ACMP off.  What does this mean?

Could be a bug overlooked by Yamaha, or a conscious decision by them way back in the old days, if they thought we are unlikely to need PB active on the left voice if we also have the style running and need to provide LH chording at the same time. If no one complains (and even if they do sometimes) such "features" can survive for decades.
As I said in my previous post can you not achieve what you want by using a pedal - for pitch bend or perhaps more conveniently Glide, if you do not have an expression pedal?

John

[mikf]

Is it a bug or is it because changing the voice pitch would also change the pitch of the accompaniment?

[DerekA]

I wondered that too *but* remember it's possible to have the ACMP/L as one split point and L/R at a higher position, giving 3 zones - chords, L and R.

(And yes, on Tyros/Genos/SX you can further split off R3 on its own zone)

So it makes sense that you should be able to use PB L on that zone between ACMP and R if you've set it up. But maybe it was too difficult to make that work, so they put a blanket block on PB L when the ACMP was on.

[jwyvern]

Is it a bug or is it because changing the voice pitch would also change the pitch of the accompaniment?

If you try it the style pitch is unaffected when the LVoice pitch is changed using Glide with a pedal when running the style.
You probably wouldn't expect it to since it's not the left voice or its properties that controls the style, it's the position of your hands on the KB defining the chords regardless of how the LVoice is set up or even independently of the Left being switched on or off.
John

[mikf]

I suppose that is correct, because when I think about it, full keyboard mode could not work along with pitch bend if it altered the style.
Mike