Midi/Song and Style- Sync Start

[elad770]

Hi everyone,

I have a relatively simple issue and I'm sorry if the title was complicated.
I have a song loaded to "Song A" on my Genos and i would like it to start playing when i start playing the style! Is this possible?

I'm trying to sync the two to start exactly at the same time. Can someone help me with this?

[ckobu]

In Song Player, activate Synchro (red arrow). Check out this interesting video as well.

https://youtu.be/SKMvv2Gz6ng

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[Dromeus]

As usual press the Sync Start button for the style.
Now sync start for the Midi Song can be activated in the Song Player Display. The Sync Start button is the leftmost in the line of transport buttons. The symbol used for this button matches the symbol which is shown on the Style Sync Start button.

When both have been activated you wil see style Start/Stop button and the Song Play/Pause button flashing at the same tempo.

Extra credit: you can store this state in the Registration. Make sure to check "Style" and "MIDI Song".

edit: was slower that ckobu 

[Janus]

You can try a midi setup
Set the midiclock usb 2 arranger on extern
set the midiclock  usb 1 songplay on intern
Puch sync and start on on the arranger start
the arranger waits on the start midi a
start the songplayer
this is a globel setting for most keyboards and software sequencers
works also with cubase xgworks enz.

Gr.Jan

[elad770]

Thank you so much, guys! You are amazing

The only problem is: Will this method work if I have an Audio file mp3/Wav Assigned?

That is my true purpose actually

[ckobu]

I don't think there's a way to do that with an Audio song.

[elad770]

Is there a way to convert mp3/Wav to Midi?

[Dromeus]

That is my true purpose actually

I was tempted to ask about that, but as you wrote MIDI song explicitely...

For an audio song create an Audio Multi Pad and use the Sync Start feature of the Multi Pad. Of course the audio file must be prepared to start exactly at the begin of the measure (you may have to delete "silence"). Also be warned that you may experience a shift between style and audio file over time. If that happens there are some things you can do to make in synchronous, but it depends on the content of the audio file and what you are trying to achieve.

So have a try...

[Janus]

Is there a way to convert mp3/Wav to Midi?

yes it is posible but with bad result
only with one monofoon track  like a melodie track you can get good result
I use xgworks it got a voice to midi recorder

Gr.Jan

[ckobu]

Is there a way to convert mp3/Wav to Midi?

This is a workaround but a very effective way.

https://youtu.be/92aYTdA7tp8

[panos]

Hi Elad,
there is no way to convert audio to midi with any kind of program or method that tells that it can.The results could be anything else but not music 

The easiest way to combine an audio with a style, I would agree with Dromeus is to use an audio multipad.
Stretch or shrink the audio to the exact accurate tempo with no degrees.(E.g. exactly 130.000 bpm) by using a DAW.I don't know if the Genos has such a feature that can work as well.

[Fred Smith]

Is there a way to convert mp3/Wav to Midi?

No. You'll find places that say they can, but they don't work.

Cheers,
Fred

[Bachus]

No. You'll find places that say they can, but they don't work.

Cheers,
Fred

Any daw can convert audio to midi with good results as long as it is an audio file of a single instrument

So if the audio file mainly contains a piano piece, the results will be okay..

The more instruments and vocals in a song the worse the result gets..


But saying you can't convert audio to midi is a wrong statement..
There is many nuances to this topic


Even yamaha has an app that helps us detect chords in an mp3 song,,...  where a chord is actual midi information, here also audio is converted to midi...

[ckobu]

...
Even yamaha has an app that helps us detect chords in an mp3 song,,...  where a chord is actual midi information, here also audio is converted to midi...

The chord tracker does a great job, it is synchronized with Genos wirelessly, in the end you get a nice MIDI. My video from the last post shows just that. 

[elad770]

My application is a bit different, thus, I'm afraid your solution won't work for me.

What I'm doing (kind of a hobby of mine) is I like to download Acappella (voice only) of a famous song.
I make sure that my tempo is set to the original tempo and I simply play and accompany the singer. I love doing that, I don't know why LOL

The only problem is that the singer and the melody should start together. Because this is not possible AND since overall my tempo and the singer's tempo are even, I took the acapella audio file into a simple Daw software and added 3-4 counts (the same as Genos intro 1 In styles).  While the counts are played in the audio I patiently wait with sync/start to begin the song with the singer.

Now, this works great for most of the time. If I started playing on time, since both tempos are accurate it's very enjoyable! But I would like to avoid clicking start on the Audio and the Style separately because of this causes a lot of challenges for me. I need to be VERY careful at the beginning of the song. I wish there will be a way that when style starts the audio file starts playing.
Ok, well..... i guess i can't ask EVERYTHING to be perfect

[panos]

Hi Elad,
so you are talking about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6ZgMKBzMEs

I would tried to set the audio multipad and the style to a registration to see if they can automatically synchronized by pressing the reg button.
We know that midi-multipads can be syncronised with the push of the reg button and start playing:
As long as the pad button is flashing while we save it in the Reg, it will start playing in the next measure of the style.(Multipad control:sync start select button+pad 1).

Maybe you should give it a try and maybe you should wait a a couple of seconds for the keyboard to load the .wav file first when you call up the registration.

I have only used wav files for just few measures so there is no problem of synchronicity when I push manually the pad buttons.
I haven't tried to use a reg to see if it could work with a whole song though.
If the method with the reg doesn't work maybe I would try to split the audio file in parts if there is a lack of synchronicity after some measures.(pad1 has verse A,pad2 has chorus A etc).

Edit
As for the audio to midi conversions:
When we want an audio to be converted to midi (to actual notes) the result should be something that is close to the actual melody and not let's say 60% accurate for the best results.
It wouldn't be nice to play a song with 40%,30%,20% or even 10% wrong and missing notes.
And usually people want to convert real songs with lyrics where the melody line is sang by a singer making things even harder for a program to find the correct pitch of what he is singing.
The more closer to the actual pitch of all notes the singer gets while he is singing, the more he will end up singing opera and not a pop song(I mean songs of any other kind than opera) and this is not good.

[elad770]

Ok, I'll try

Thank you so much!

[mikf]

Converting an instrumental audio to a midi is not impossible but seldom good. And it is impossible with a vocal. A midi is just a set of digital instructions to do something,  - like play a flute voice note Bb for a half second - of course it's much more complicated than that, but thats  the principle. It can't send the instruction -tell aunt bessie to sing note Bb for half a second because there is no aunt bessie stored on your keyboard😂😂
mike

[ckobu]

I agree that converting audio to midi always gives bad results.
Still, there are tools that try to do that. One such is the Plug-in found in XGWorks, called Voice to score. I haven't tried it but it looks interesting and colorful. 

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[KeyboardByBiggs]

If you want decent audio to MIDI you'll need a pro app like Melodyne. I've always gotten great results with that, even with tracking and converting singers.

[mikf]

You are all missing that it is a vocal, cannot be done - even badly!

[Dromeus]

Ok, I'll try

Finally? I did propose exactly the same thing two days ago.

https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,56148.msg437399.html#msg437399