Should I Upgrade to Genos?

[johnzutzbg]

Hello Everyone,

Should I upgrade to the Yamaha Genos, or should I wait until the next one comes out? Does anyone know the timeline?

I bought a Tyros 2, in 2006, and a Tyros 5, in December 2015.

I am trying to sell the Tyros 2 right now.

Thanks for your input.

John

[Toril S]

Hello John. I upgraded from a T5 to a Genos, and do not regret it. But I still have my T5.

[DerekA]

Nobody outside Yamaha has a clue if they are about to spring Genos 2 (hardware) or if they will continue to go down the Genos 2.x (firmware) route. And even less clue about the timescales!

[johnzutzbg]

Hello John. I upgraded from a T5 to a Genos, and do not regret it. But I still have my T5.

I guess I would hate to invest in the GENOS if another one comes out next year.

[Toril S]

If the T5 works fine you could wait for Genos 2. But only Ysmaha knows when it will come, corona and all!

[PWB]

I upgraded from a PSR 970 to a Genos. The sound of the Genos was of course better, which I expected, but the biggest difference for me was the touch screen interface which makes it so much easier to use. It is a real step up.

[DerekA]

For me the trigger was when the V2.0 firmware came out, because I thought that meant it was likely there would be no hardware change in the short term. Just guesswork though! And only you can decide how much a new model appearing after you've bought is going to bother you.

[johnzutzbg]

For me the trigger was when the V2.0 firmware came out, because I thought that meant it was likely there would be no hardware change in the short term. Just guesswork though! And only you can decide how much a new model appearing after you've bought is going to bother you.

I would be bothered if I purchased it in July and a new one was announced in Sept 2020. If a new one wasn't announced till 2022-23 at the earliest...I think I would be fine.

I also realize that the GENOS may come down in price later on...

[ton37]

To consider: you will always pay 'way too much' for these (digital) devices. Financially always a very bad investment, you always lose money on it, clear! Better focus on buying the fun now, not later! That investment always yields something, namely the pleasure of playing on your keyboard!

[EileenL]

I think a Genos 2 is a long way off at the moment and just think of the fun you could be having now.

[Toril S]

I agree. It will always be like that with electrical gadgets, you buy the best iPhone, and 3 months later along comes another one, even better. The risk of buying a keyboard just before a new model is released is there, I have done it, but better have some fun now than waiting. Because of the corona situation I think a lot of things will be set on hold, so I don't think we will see a new Genos any time soon. But there may be some more updates on the old one.

[Al Ram]

If money is not a major issue . . . i would upgrade now to Genos.  Who knows when the Genos 2 will come out.

Seelling the T2 now and later the T5, should offset some of the Genos cost.   Another strategy would be to purchase a gently used Genos . . . ..

Thanks

[mikf]

I also don't think a new Genos is anywhere in the near future, but remember the current one does not suddenly get worse because a new one is announced, it's still the same keyboard you thought worth the upgrade.
Mike

[johnzutzbg]

Thanks everyone for your input! I think I will be getting the Genos soon. I just need Sweetwater to do 36 month interest free financing again .

[ton37]

Mmm ...don't understand me wrong, but I have reservations about purchasing a keyboard through borrowing money through financing. It always costs you extra money. Wouldn't it be better to buy a keyboard what you can afford or use the one you have? Play on it, practice on it and put that money you have to pay to the dealer (and the loaning Company) in a savings account every month. You can then use the money saved there by buying the keyboard of your dreams in due time. Usually, over time they are also for sale second-hand at much less money than a new one. You should not think that after 2 years you want to get rid of your contract or keyboard. That will cost you an 'asset' (breach of contract).
Just my 2 (own) cents ;-))

[Rick D.]

John

I made the switch in November from the Tyros 5 to the Genos. As stated above the sounds are superior, but for me the interface is  what made me make the switch.
I am not sure where you are from, but if you are in the States shop around, because I was able to get a fantastic deal on mine with the stand on speakers under $4500. And I sold the Tyros 5 to a friend for $2000.

Rick D.

[mikf]

Ton - I am sure you mean well but that is a pretty extreme view of modern credit control. While some people may let these things get out of control, this is not a forum for financial advice, and people are mature enough to make their own decisions as to what and how they can afford keyboards.
Mike

[Toril S]

Nevertheless it is sound advice!

[EileenL]

All hobbies cost money ether by buying add on's or paying fees even playing bingo.
With that in mind I work out the difference between what I paid for it new and in three years what the part exchange price is. I then work out what it has cost me a week over the three years which is about £10. I consider this very good for all the enjoyment and fun I have had. Better still if you have a few paid gigs.

[mikf]

Nevertheless it is sound advice!

No Toril- it is not. Like all financial advice it is useless without knowing someone's full financial circumstances, and this is not the place for that. Money is one the cheapest commodities out there at the moment, zero bank rates in some circumstances. Even someone with tons of cash might opt to use someone else's money ie the bank, the bank's money if it is cheap or even free. Everyone - businesses, government, individuals and even millionaires use credit and that is what drives our economy. It is a good thing as long as you can comfortably service the debt. But like I say this is not a financial advice forum. 
Mike

[JohnS]

The upgrade is a huge expense.
I've just checked, and to trade in my Tyros 5/76 (with speakers) for a Genos will cost me £2,898!
The Tyros 5 is a superb keyboard, and costs me nothing to keep, so, the decision made itself.

[ton37]

Hi @Mikf, you're right, I have to assume that forummers are adult consumers, who knows the consequences of their choices. In this case, to my former post, I was concerned if I didn't explained my former statement. Maybe too much emphasize my concern in this particulat case. Indeed it is a PsrTutorial forum, where the joy and knowledge is shared of our keyboards

[Fred Smith]

The upgrade is a huge expense.
I've just checked, and to trade in my Tyros 5/76 (with speakers) for a Genos will cost me £2,898!
The Tyros 5 is a superb keyboard, and costs me nothing to keep, so, the decision made itself.

Good grief. You can buy a Genos on its own for around £2898, at least in the US.

I'm assuming the price is when doing a "part exchange"; you're probably better off selling the T5 on your own.

Cheers,
Fred

[johnzutzbg]

When I bought the Tyros 2 (from a local music store) and the Tyros 5 from Sweetwater, they were both no interest if paid off in X months. I always paid more than the minimum payment and would pay it off before the X amount of months was up.

[johnzutzbg]

Is there a company in the USA that would trade my Tyros 5 and credit me for a GENOS?

[Toril S]

OK Mike, we all solve our financial situations in different ways, being grown ups and all  
As for part exchange, that is almost nonexistant here. Music stores usually say no to taking in used instruments. But there are exeptions, because that is how I got my T5. However, they are not so keen on taking it back for a second time, it is now 7 years old, so I really understand that. I asked for part excahge on my 975, and they didn't say no, but I will get only half the price I payed for it, so if I decide to sell it I will do it privately.

[Denn]

Hello, I bought my SX900 for  ridiculous low price. Played it, sorted it, added packs to it and it now sits in my room quiet whilst I play my Tyros4. The poke screen is nothing to write home about as all the blocks are too small for finger poking. Stick with your T5. "They" say the sounds are better - sounds are a matter of opinion. I much prefer the sounds of my Tyros than that of the SX900. I know that you are considering a Genos but look how many there are for sale used and what are you going to do if you think you have made a mistake?
Just my opinion.
Regards, Den.

[EileenL]

For me personally Genos is the best keyboard Yamaha have ever produced. I also have the SX 900 and like the way I can load in my old registrations from my Tyros 5 and they really sound good plus the styles. If you use a mobile phone touch screen you will be able to use the SX900 screen with no problem. It works very very well as dose the one on Genos. As always it all depends on the individual and trying the product first. Let us not scare people off of trying these things with negative comments about products.
We all know that if you are able to shop around you will usually come up with a price that suits us. 

[andy_v]

I know it's not really on-topic, but I struggle to understand why anyone ever goes in for those part exchange deals, when you can recoup so much more money by selling your old keyboard yourself on ebay or gumtree or wherever!

[Toril S]

Agreed. But my store agreed to part exchange a Genos for a Tyros 5, and guess who purchased that T5😀😀 The price was very reasonable.