YEM Content Explorer v2

[valimaties]

Hi all.

I have finished 2.1.1 version in which you can now enable for editing locked voices from non cpf packs.

Look for video.



You can download it using link from the first post!

PS: Make backup first!

Regards,
Vali

[Misu]

Dear Vali,

This really turn me back (asta chiar m-a dat pe spate).
Editing these voices is amazing.
Congratulation and a very big thanks!

Mihai

[ckobu]

Great job, Vali.
Thanks for that.

[Misu]

Hi Vali,

Maybe just I have a problem.
I can go to edit locked file and I can see the parameters on editing window, but no sound, the rest (not previous locked) have sound.
An advice, something?

Thanks
Mihai

[valimaties]

Hi Vali,

Maybe just I have a problem.
I can go to edit locked file and I can see the parameters on editing window, but no sound, the rest (not previous locked) have sound.
An advice, something?

Thanks
Mihai

No advice Mihai.
Unfortunately, we can only edit parameters "in blind"... because all sounds (voice sounds) are encrypted samples, which can be played only after they are being installed on keyboard. The transmission of audio samples are not allowed (seems) for these types of samples ... If you will load these packs modified in your keyboard, when you open Voice Editor for those voices you will head some "punch noises" instead of real samples ...

Sorry, but for now, only this...
I will study if anything can be done to hear sound in realtime!

Regards,
Vali

[Joe H]

Here's a little tip.  Try opening Voice Set and edit there.  If you find some settings you like, you can edit those same parameters in YEM as COMMON parameters.  The COMMON parameters become the Voice Set file when the pack is installed. You might be able to translate those into ELEMENT parameters (of the same type).

Once you edit a Voice in YEM you need to Export as Content then delete the Voice and then Import the Voice back as Content. The other option is after you have successfully edited all the Voices you want in the pack...  Export the pack giving it a new name. Next delete the edited pack and then Import the pack again that you saved to disk.

I found out the hard way (and created headaches for Vali) by not following the procedure described above.  My YEM file became corrupted over time with many changes. If you make changes to your pack (of any kind) you must Export the pack, then delete the pack from YEM and Import it again with the changes.

Joe H

[Misu]

No advice Mihai.
Unfortunately, we can only edit parameters "in blind"... because all sounds (voice sounds) are encrypted samples, which can be played only after they are being installed on keyboard. The transmission of audio samples are not allowed (seems) for these types of samples ... If you will load these packs modified in your keyboard, when you open Voice Editor for those voices you will head some "punch noises" instead of real samples ...

Sorry, but for now, only this...
I will study if anything can be done to hear sound in realtime!

Regards,
Vali

Hi Vali, it is ok like this, I can change the voice on board and after I can put those parameters on YEM.
I have also a challenge for you to find a solution to unlock the voice (PPF) for good. This was already done for a Romanian guy (KR) I can give you a pack PPF
where thanks to your software you can see unlocked voice with sound and origin is still MSB 049 instead of MSB 063 like normal voice.

Regards
Mihai

[valimaties]

THIS is a video I've made showing how voices are playing in YEM after unlocked with YEM-CEv2 and sent them to keyboard

As you will see in the video, sometimes "seems" not working, but it is ok, because those notes (from element I've choosed) are set to play only for a range of volume/expression!

Regards,
Vali

[elad770]

So, I don't get it

You basically can edit voices that are locked? This is incredible! What is the point of encrypting the packs?

Also, are you saying that CPF packs can be easily opened, Edited and repacked again?

Please keep working on improving your software. I will pay a lot to see this feature of importing a CPF and do WHATEVER I want to do with it!

You are amazing

[Zaurafon]

So, I don't get it

You basically can edit voices that are locked? This is incredible! What is the point of encrypting the packs?

Also, are you saying that CPF packs can be easily opened, Edited and repacked again?

Please keep working on improving your software. I will pay a lot to see this feature of importing a CPF and do WHATEVER I want to do with it!

You are amazing

you misunderstood. CPF cannot be edited. eats PPF packets in which there is a lock sound only they can be edited

[elad770]

I got it now!

Either way, it's a good feature to have.

I will offer a lot of money for ANYONE who will crack this annoying limitation! I stopped buying CPF packs.

They charge you again the full amount when you get a new keyboard. If you have 2 keyboards you need to pay x2

Very greedy. Some content creators are decent enough to offer a free transfer to another keyboard if you show that is yours - That's fair

But this market is getting Nasty! People charge 50-70euro for REGISTRATION FILES! OMG!
Buyers must take a firm stand here or some smart guy like Vali will find a way to crack this open once and for all!

Vali, if you read this. I will support any efforts you make in this area

[valimaties]

Sorry Elad, I'm not a hacker, and I will not be ever!

It is something which is not called "hacking" in what I've did, because those things are only some flags in files, which can be read, but cracking a CPF will not be a very good image about myself as human.
Even if I could do it, I could do it ONLY for me, as this is against Yamaha's policy! This could be done only if someone could disassemble YEM exe file, to see exactly the process of decryption of those CPF files...

So, NO, it will not be a CPF decryption process in my software ever

Good luck,
Vali 

[elad770]

Thank you for replying but let me clarify:
Nobody asked you to be A hacker! That's illegal because you are entering an area which doesn't belong to you. Here, I paid for the product. The Product is mine! And I would like to get access to it.
If you are going into fine details I could say: Why do you provide to unlock a locked file? The fact that its easy doesn't make it right? Does it? The creator of the content wanted the voice to be locked so you can be moral about it and let it stay locked 🔒.  Right?
What about your software? Did Yamaha gave you a blessing to develop a software that compete or provide features that they couldn't? Maybe this is immoral too because YEM is Yamaha's product No?
What about 90% of the content that is circulating in this forum which is NOT original content but rather a remake of previous content?
Some people take the content,  master it a little bit and sale it for a lot of money. Is that OK?
What about Yamaha's preset styles that are locked and do not allow you to edit the styles part. Did you ever used Styleunlocker software
By jososoft? Is this also immoral?
And I can continue on and on and on......

I believe that when I pay 100$ for a pack of sounds I need to be able to use it as I see fit! Again, it becomes my property! And no ones has the right to force me what to do with it.
I'm obviously talking about editing voices and the ability to.migrate to a new keyboard or a second keyboard that I OWN. The only point that is valid is if I was to distribute or resell something that isn't mine. That's stealing and I will never do that!
So, please save me the righteousness lecture!
Those who truly create original content should know that once I purchase the pack for a lot of money- It's mine! And I should be able to do whatever I want with it. Especially when it comes to voices where people have their own flavor.
And if I wanted to give it to a friend that's also OK!
Vali, did you ever give mp3 song to your friend? Do you know that it's illegal 🚫  to do so? Give me a break. Knowledge like music and creative art can NEVER be restricted like that. Every person can take an original song, tweak it a bit and upload on you tube. It will NOT strike as a copyright violation because it's not the original song anymore. You can't control people's creativity and you can't own music. The only thing I'm strict about and agree wholeheartedly is that one should not MASS DISTRIBUTE or Resell content that isn't his. But Guess what Vali? Let's say i purchased a Cpf Pack and somehow decrypted it with evil intentions if reselling or distributing.
Where on earth do you think I will do that???
The only way to do that efficiently to worth my time Is within this forum! To reach the largest crowd! Would you agree? Giving the pack to my neighbor will not change a thing! I never did it before and never will do that. This forum will never allow it and this forum is by far the biggest Yamaha's forum so I see no point in restricting us like that. For me, I only ask to not pay Again, the full amount when I purchase a new keyboard! I only ask to be able to edit the sound or even erase it from my pack. I think i have the right to do so. Especially for the amount creators charge.
All the creators are making big mistakes. They make the price not affordable and force people to find ways to get it without breaking the bank. Instead, if packs will be sold for 30eur instead of 150euro people will have no reason not to buy and will not waste their time seeking for a free version from a friend. They need to focus on volume and not on unreasonable markup!

Either way, I offer 1000Euro for any programmer who can decrypt a Cpf File.

[Zaurafon]

Thank you for replying but let me clarify:
Nobody asked you to be A hacker! That's illegal because you are entering an area which doesn't belong to you. Here, I paid for the product. The Product is mine! And I would like to get access to it.
If you are going into fine details I could say: Why do you provide to unlock a locked file? The fact that its easy doesn't make it right? Does it? The creator of the content wanted the voice to be locked so you can be moral about it and let it stay locked 🔒.  Right?
What about your software? Did Yamaha gave you a blessing to develop a software that compete or provide features that they couldn't? Maybe this is immoral too because YEM is Yamaha's product No?
What about 90% of the content that is circulating in this forum which is NOT original content but rather a remake of previous content?
Some people take the content,  master it a little bit and sale it for a lot of money. Is that OK?
What about Yamaha's preset styles that are locked and do not allow you to edit the styles part. Did you ever used Styleunlocker software
By jososoft? Is this also immoral?
And I can continue on and on and on......

I believe that when I pay 100$ for a pack of sounds I need to be able to use it as I see fit! Again, it becomes my property! And no ones has the right to force me what to do with it.
I'm obviously talking about editing voices and the ability to.migrate to a new keyboard or a second keyboard that I OWN. The only point that is valid is if I was to distribute or resell something that isn't mine. That's stealing and I will never do that!
So, please save me the righteousness lecture!
Those who truly create original content should know that once I purchase the pack for a lot of money- It's mine! And I should be able to do whatever I want with it. Especially when it comes to voices where people have their own flavor.
And if I wanted to give it to a friend that's also OK!
Vali, did you ever give mp3 song to your friend? Do you know that it's illegal 🚫  to do so? Give me a break. Knowledge like music and creative art can NEVER be restricted like that. Every person can take an original song, tweak it a bit and upload on you tube. It will NOT strike as a copyright violation because it's not the original song anymore. You can't control people's creativity and you can't own music. The only thing I'm strict about and agree wholeheartedly is that one should not MASS DISTRIBUTE or Resell content that isn't his. But Guess what Vali? Let's say i purchased a Cpf Pack and somehow decrypted it with evil intentions if reselling or distributing.
Where on earth do you think I will do that???
The only way to do that efficiently to worth my time Is within this forum! To reach the largest crowd! Would you agree? Giving the pack to my neighbor will not change a thing! I never did it before and never will do that. This forum will never allow it and this forum is by far the biggest Yamaha's forum so I see no point in restricting us like that. For me, I only ask to not pay Again, the full amount when I purchase a new keyboard! I only ask to be able to edit the sound or even erase it from my pack. I think i have the right to do so. Especially for the amount creators charge.
All the creators are making big mistakes. They make the price not affordable and force people to find ways to get it without breaking the bank. Instead, if packs will be sold for 30eur instead of 150euro people will have no reason not to buy and will not waste their time seeking for a free version from a friend. They need to focus on volume and not on unreasonable markup!

Either way, I offer 1000Euro for any programmer who can decrypt a Cpf File.

I agree with you, but not in everything, as I myself create sounds and sell.
1. I agree that Yamaha should make it possible to edit closed sounds.
2. I do not agree with what you said so that you can give the purchased sound to your friend or neighbor since it takes us a lot of time to create these sounds and believe me if at least one person puts an open package on the Internet, they will own it for several hours several 1000 users for free.
3. Yes, I do not agree that the purchased package cannot be installed to any other Keyboard l since you can simply update the instrument and to install this package to a new Instrument you will have to buy it again or for example, you Play somewhere far from your city and you can just rent the same Keyboard, but unfortunately it's impossible to load your purchased Package there. They could solve this problem, for example, like on the Korg Pa4X SD Card Dongle

[elad770]

Just to clarify,
What I meant by saying give to a friend was not for the purpose
Of him giving to his friend to give to his friend.
What I meant is what my situation is:
We are 3, 4 friends playing together and when we do we would like to share our experience with one another. That's all I meant
Its like our own band.

I can give you an example without mentioning names.
I approached one content creator who understood that im not going to pay for both my instruments and agreed that I can share it with our band to write songs etc. I could have done it behind his back because he gave me ppf file but I didn't. I did it with permission even though I believe I have the right to do so.
Also, this might sound funny but I spent until now more money donating and supporting creators rather then pay for packs.
A lot of creators choose this route. Share with everyone and seek for support from members.  Believe me , they are doing very well

[Zaurafon]

Just to clarify,
What I meant by saying give to a friend was not for the purpose
Of him giving to his friend to give to his friend.
What I meant is what my situation is:
We are 3, 4 friends playing together and when we do we would like to share our experience with one another. That's all I meant
Its like our own band.

I can give you an example without mentioning names.
I approached one content creator who understood that im not going to pay for both my instruments and agreed that I can share it with our band to write songs etc. I could have done it behind his back because he gave me ppf file but I didn't. I did it with permission even though I believe I have the right to do so.
Also, this might sound funny but I spent until now more money donating and supporting creators rather then pay for packs.
A lot of creators choose this route. Share with everyone and seek for support from members.  Believe me , they are doing very well

Believe me, they are not all so honest. And I once gave one my PPF Package that lived in Turkey and what do you think? A week later, the same package was sent to me from Russia.
The fact that the same user is selling the same package for the same price would be wrong to sell a 50% discount. Since it is impossible to prove you bought a new keyboard or just want to take for your friend.

[elad770]

Fine, so maybe there's no magical solution to satisfy everyone
I simply don't buy anymore. And buy the way.
All the Turkish sounds and styles are coming also from one free source. Repacked, and sold so I don't believe anyone except for those who clearly have there own studio and resample Raw sound
There are only 1 or two exist

[Zaurafon]

I do not advise anyone to crack packages because if this happens then believe me no one will create new packages for you even if they will create something for personally and you will never hear them anywhere.
Instead of looking for a way to hack a package, better write to Yamaha companies so that they can make it possible to edit closed packages.

[Joe H]

... better write to Yamaha companies so that they can make it possible to edit closed packages.

If Yamaha wanted us to be able create good Voices and edit their pack Voices they wouldn't have locked the Voices. If Yamaha wanted us to be able to build good styles from scratch they would have provided the software to do that.  I think Yamaha don't want us to be able to create good Voices and styles... then they would not be able to sell as many of those professional Voice and style packs.



Joe H

[elad770]

Let me ask you this.

During the CD Era,  the mp3 came about.
All the record companies fought so hard against it especially against companies like Napster who was sharing song in mp3 format. At the end the companies had to reinvent themselves because they saw that there's no use of fighting a natural evolution of technology.  I believe it's the same here:
Cpf files Will get cracked,  people will download the software,  people Will share with others.  I have no doubt in my mind that this will happen.  And here's an example if how its going to be:
Instead of packs you'll see people who are buying a unique voice they didn't have before. A seller will sell an individual voice for 1$
Honestly,  I would probably pay 1 $ for a voice I really like.
Now, imagine 300 people will pay only 1 buck to get that voice?
Do the math

[elad770]

To continue on your idea:

I suggested in the past (most people didn't like it)
That yamaha will do what Apple did. Open their system and other content
Like styles,  voices etc so people can download from yamaha store and easily add features and content onto their keyboard
That is the way to go

[Joe H]

It's not about the evolving technology, it's about the moral decline. If you had any idea of the work that goes into creating good Voices and styles and software, you wouldn't talk this way.  Some people think that everything should be free... developers just have to keep finding ways to stop the "cheaters"

Joe H

[elad770]

Of course I'm aware of the efforts. That's why i never shared packages with others.
I disagree with you on the technological aspect.
This is exactly what happened when mp3 format came into our lives.
Its simply inevitable as people seek for knowledge and information.
Some people see it as moral issue and some will see it as a need for adaptation. Catching cheaters is not part of this adaptation. Its a lost battle what do you think about my idea? Let's say you designed a great voice or a great style. You posted online for 0.5euro.
And out of thousands of people 100 will purchase this. You will make 50euro out of 1 voice, Only one!
The notion that a single person can spread 1 file to the entire world i don't see with you eye to eye. People are not as networked as you think they are.
Also, by the time content is wide spread,  smart creator often release old packages for free either so.....
But it's a good discussion and thank you for sharing your view

[valimaties]

... Here, I paid for the product. The Product is mine! And I would like to get access to it...

No, it is not yours, you did not read Yamaha's terms You paid a pack from Yamaha to USE IT! The pack is still the property of Yamaha or Third party, and when you buy the product you will have access only on the license of using product! Read Customer Agreement!

If you are going into fine details I could say: Why do you provide to unlock a locked file?

Because those files are NOT encrypted, are only some configuration files, which anyone could make them by own, only some basic xml knowledge and t his can be done

The fact that its easy doesn't make it right? Does it? The creator of the content wanted the voice to be locked so you can be moral about it and let it stay locked 🔒.  Right?

No, because if you want to protect a pack, you simply will encrypt it as CPF, and that's it!
If a third party will sell PPF or those "locked" content, without license which provide the right owner of the content, having signature over the content, the content is free to Use/Edit/Modify and so on

What about your software? Did Yamaha gave you a blessing to develop a software that compete or provide features that they couldn't? Maybe this is immoral too because YEM is Yamaha's product No?

As I said in description of my software, on first post, my software is like an "add-on" to Yamaha Expansion Manager. I did not disassembled their software, I have done my research on how to make some controls looking in that way.
Completing a software it is NOT a hacking or immoral things!
Do you see all those software of Jorgen or Beddesem/Volbragt as immoral software because they do some things that YEM does not?

What about 90% of the content that is circulating in this forum which is NOT original content but rather a remake of previous content?
Some people take the content,  master it a little bit and sale it for a lot of money. Is that OK?

There are a lot of users which make that! Why? Because that content is not protected by any law! You tell me that if I found on the internet some waves of an accordion and I make a voice from it and sell it, I am doing an immoral thing? Was it a protected content? Which protection was applied on those waves?!

What about Yamaha's preset styles that are locked and do not allow you to edit the styles part. Did you ever used Styleunlocker software
By jososoft? Is this also immoral?

I am not in the position of telling which soft is a "law breaking" soft or not!

I believe that when I pay 100$ for a pack of sounds I need to be able to use it as I see fit! Again, it becomes my property! And no ones has the right to force me what to do with it.

Again, NO you are not the owner, you are ONLY the user! Read the agreement and the license!
If they let you edit/move/copy or any other operation on their content, you will be able to do, other way it is called an infringement or violation of rights!

I'm obviously talking about editing voices and the ability to.migrate to a new keyboard or a second keyboard that I OWN.

As I know, the content from your Yamaha Music Soft account is available for all your keyboards, as long as you register all your keyboards in the YMS account!

Those who truly create original content should know that once I purchase the pack for a lot of money- It's mine! And I should be able to do whatever I want with it. Especially when it comes to voices where people have their own flavor.
And if I wanted to give it to a friend that's also OK!

Third time, NO you are not the owner.
You can be the owner when you buy the license of owner content! But as I already said, Yamaha provide ONLY user license, you are only a user of the content, even if you paid for it You are NOT the owner!

Vali, did you ever give mp3 song to your friend? Do you know that it's illegal 🚫  to do so?

WHAT?! MP3 Lame Encoder is an OPEN SOURCE GNU LGPL License! Do you know what means that?!
I let you read more about it!

But if you wrote about sharing music over internet, YES, it is a violation of owner license, as long those songs (does not matter if they are flac, mp3, wav, or any other encoding content) are the property of someone! But yes, music has been extracted from Youtube as mp3, or from other sites. As long as you don't use it as a commercial content, you will not be found as you are playing its content on your home!

Every person can take an original song, tweak it a bit and upload on you tube. It will NOT strike as a copyright violation because it's not the original song anymore. You can't control people's creativity and you can't own music.

I must be against you with this information!
If you upload some video to youtube and that video contains a small part of an existing licensed content on Youtube, in a couple of minutes your content will be tagged with a copyright flag! More than that, if the owner of the content will not let you use his content in your videos (as parts, modified, or in any other way) your content will be blocked, in other way a comment with legal notice of owner will be applied in description of your uploaded video!

Either way, I offer 1000Euro for any programmer who can decrypt a Cpf File.

Find that programmer, I want to use such a tool, but I don't want to be the one who made it

Best regards,
Vali

[elad770]

"Find that programmer, I want to use such a tool, but I don't want to be the one who made it "

Do I need to add anything further??? 

I could respond to every single topic but I'm tired. I respect your views

You'll see that this restriction will not last...

And by the way, you mentioned Yamaha over and over again as if they are the God of content regulatory issues. I never purchased one pack from Yamaha. All the other content creator can choose to do whatever they wish with their export file format. I careless if yamaha think I'm not the owner, but only borrowing the content under user agreement.
They right what they are suppose to. The real good content and the best content  I've downloaded to date was only from special forum, from good users and for free! That's my experience and the message I want people to know. The best content is already out there

[valimaties]

You know something? Those users from Korg will love to see such a function as we have in YEM, to be able to export encrypted content, but they don't have.
I am agree with you only with one thing: editing voice from any of the packs!

They didn't know how to do it, but it could be done by removing the option of exporting content to PPF, and to be able to edit any of those voices. This is a very simple thing for them, as long as they have the encryption/decryption functions

Regards,
Vali

[elad770]

Are you saying that the content for Kong does not have encryption and people can share packages freely??

I'm buying Korg!

[Zaurafon]

As Valimaties said, you can use all purchased packages from the Yamaha website to any of your keys using your YEM Username & Password account.
If you think it is so easy to create one Voice, then you just try once and you will immediately appreciate other people's work. No one will sit tormented for months and some years to get one dollar for one sound. And then if you're lucky, and someone will not distribute it on the Internet.
And about the fact that MP3 music is distributed, this is on the one hand, plus for the most singers, the more they listen to them, the greater the demand for them. And with us, if someone makes a sound, then my name will never be indicated;)

[Enildo]

If you don't agree with copyright policies, prices, etc., and need voice packs, study, get your 1000 Euros and buy equipment to make your own samples and styles.
I am not being coarse in my words, but it is the solution.
You will no longer need anyone and you can start putting your ideas into practice, sharing your material free of charge.

Greetings,
Enildo

[valimaties]

Are you saying that the content for Kong does not have encryption and people can share packages freely??

I'm buying Korg!

You will be very disappointed about general sound