Would you sell your Tyros 4 and trade it in for a Genos?

justme · November 29, 2019, 01:59:37 PM

Hi,

I've been reading a lot and watched plenty of videos about the Genos.
I understand that it's a superior keyboard but would you trade in your Tyros 4 for it?
I'm not playing for an audience besides my family and friends from time to time. I like combining it with my Korg MicroKorg which I have attached to a laptop for some VST sounds.

I would be interested in trading in my Tyros 4 but have no idea what I would get for it and how much I would have to put down for a Genos. Any ideas? It is in pristine condition, has never ever left the house and I'm the only one who has ever touched it.

I'd like to hear some of your input.

Regards,

Cor

Fred Smith · November 29, 2019, 02:11:22 PM

Quote from: justme on November 29, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
I've been reading a lot and watched plenty of videos about the Genos.
I understand that it's a superior keyboard but would you trade in your Tyros 4 for it?
I'm not playing for an audience besides my family and friends from time to time. I like combining it with my Korg MicroKorg which I have attached to a laptop for some VST sounds.

I would be interested in trading in my Tyros 4 but have no idea what I would get for it and how much I would have to put down for a Genos. Any ideas? It is in pristine condition, has never ever left the house and I'm the only one who has ever touched it.

I did exactly as you stated (traded in my T4 and bought a Genos), and am very happy I did. I like the 76 keys, touch screen, better voices, and it's a lot lighter than the T4.

I got about US$1500 for my T4 last year.

Cheers,
Fred

justme · November 29, 2019, 05:41:30 PM

Thank you Fred.
I will definitely keep that in mind. The 76 keys and the better sounds are absolutely appealing...

Regards,

Cor

Toril S · November 29, 2019, 05:45:47 PM

Hello Justine. I have a T5, purchased a Genos last month, and still have my T5. I don't think I will sell it. But I am a little crazy when it comes to instruments

You will love the Genos. It is a fantastic keyboard, but it is longer than your T4, but not by much.
And you get all the extra keys

Lyndyloo · December 03, 2019, 06:23:44 AM

I would personally keep your Tyros4 if you could afford to have the Genos also, I regretted selling my T4 when I purchased the Genos, so much that I actually got another T4

some would say how silly is that, but the Genos is a wonderful machine, it's also totally different to the T4. I will say that the Genos touch screen is so much easier to use than fiddling about with the Tyros buttons, but hey I still also love my Tyros equally, if you have the room for both, go for it

Lynda

JohnS · December 03, 2019, 07:15:38 AM

And yet I've seen so many adverse comments about the Genos here on this forum.
I end up feeling that the Genos may not be a good buy.
(Just my opinion).

EileenL · December 03, 2019, 08:24:02 AM

You really should not take to much notice of what you read on here. There are hundreds of happy Genos owners out there and without any problems. The one thing you must always do is try one for yourself. I think you will be surprised at just how good it is.

Lyndyloo · December 03, 2019, 09:23:26 AM

The Genos is a terrific keyboard, so versatile & much easier to use than the previous Tyros keyboards, I do agree with Eileen that you really need to try the Genos & listen for yourself, the sounds are entirely more realistic, once you get used to it, you would really have fun, I also like the T4 as I stated earlier it's entirely different. I would imagine you would be able to purchase the Genos for a decent price now that time has gone on. You would probably be better off selling your Tyros4 privately if you need to sell it, for approx £1200, I believe the music shop I traded mine for the Genos gave me £850
Hope this helps.

Lynda

Fred Smith · December 03, 2019, 10:25:49 AM

Quote from: JohnS on December 03, 2019, 07:15:38 AM
And yet I've seen so many adverse comments about the Genos here on this forum.
I end up feeling that the Genos may not be a good buy.
(Just my opinion).

John,

It's true there are Genos haters out there, and they were very vocal on this forum. I've never seen a Yamaha keyboard lambasted so much here.

But they are a small (although vocal) minority. They are far outnumbered by the Genos lovers.

You should give it another look. It's definitely Yamaha's best arranger keyboard.

Cheers,
Fred

Al Ram · December 03, 2019, 04:10:33 PM

Genos is a great keyboard and so it is T4.

So, before trading, I suggest to ask yourself what is it that you are trying to accomplish with the trade . . . what new feature entice you . . . example the Genos display, sound, etc.

The T4 would probably get no more than $1,200 to $1,500 in the US and it is not an easy sale . . . because there are two newer models already out there (T5 and Genos). Less people looking for T4's.

You can advertise your T4 in this forum and see if someone would be interested. Otherwise, eBay is probably your best bet for selling it, but be aware of the eBay and paypal commissions that further reduces your net intake.

Thanks

DerekA · December 04, 2019, 06:06:43 AM

For people who don't go out gigging, this is really more of an emotional choice than a practical one.

Nobody who has a T4, T5, S975 etc really 'needs' a Genos. But plenty of people want one. Compared to T4, Genos will add things like 76 keys, new voices, ensemble mode, YEM, live control, chord looper, more DSP, and the touch screen which does make lots of things easier.

If you can afford one without risking your food and shelter, and it would make you happy, buy one

Leading Edge · December 04, 2019, 08:21:53 AM

No, I would not trade in my T4 for a Genos at the moment. I still gig, although less than I used to. I've tried a friend's Genos a few times and it is a cracking board but I cannot justify the cost of trading up. I doubt the audience would know which keyboard I was playing anyway. Run through a model 2 Bose with 2 subs the old T4 can still hold it's own.

I'm on my second T4 and when this one wears out I may then trade-up. Failing that, I'll buy another T4. For the time being my 'Old Girl' still turns a good trick.

Needles to say, if a Genos appeared for Christmas I would not be disappointed at all.

musicalmemoriesuk · December 05, 2019, 05:51:05 AM

I would be asking myself have I used everything in the Tyros 4

justme · December 20, 2019, 07:20:36 PM

Thank you all for your input.
At this point, I'm going to stick with the T4 as I can't justify putting up the money to purchase a Genos.
Like I read in your opinions, I haven't even used all of the options in the T4 and am still exploring.
Most of you are probably retired or even professional musicians. I'm still working full time and paying my keyboards is just for part time fun.

Again, thank you so much for all your ideas and opinions.

Cor.

Denn · December 21, 2019, 05:19:45 AM

Part with your T4? NOooooo!!!!!!

Regards, Denn.

Toril S · December 21, 2019, 06:58:54 AM

If possible for the budget, it is always good to have your old keyboard while getting used to the new one. After feeling totally at home with the new one it is time to decide what to do with the old one. This is the ideal way to do it, but our budgets often say no. Keyboards are expensive, and to play them we need a roof over our head and some food to load into our stomacks😀

dragonkeys · November 07, 2020, 11:03:44 PM

Hello everyone!

Well, I'm going to tell you my sad story with Genos.

I bought the Genos because I had never bought a high-end keyboard, I had always settled for the S series.

The best:
The touch screen I think is the best, because the handling becomes totally simple.

The new acoustic and electronic drums. (You have to be very meticulous to detect the difference between strokes).

The saxophone voices that were included, and the synthesizer sounds.

The new mega bass voices that were added.

The Kino Strings are not the best but since they are available there, I like the Seattle Strings better.

The downside of Genos:
At first glance the manufacturing, the materials are VERY POOR QUALITY, everything scratches very easily, loses paint in the first months and deforms quickly with heat or cold.

The software, the Genos has had many patches, from the factory it has errors in all the applications, even in some functions the keyboard goes crazy (there are still errors to be fixed).

The price; The Genos is an extremely expensive keyboard (more than tyros) and I am looking to change it for a tyros 5 because in a way the tyros series is a platform consolidated for many years.

The OLED screen; it looks pretty, but it scratches very easily, and also after 4 months it presents the famous ghost images.

The sliders; they have been a nightmare, they do not work properly, when it is cold they go crazy or when it is very hot.

and finally many removed features that were available on the tyros series.

In my point of view, if you want to live an experience with better materials and corrected software, buy an SX900, otherwise, stay with tyros 4 or tyros 5.

Best Regards.

Graham UK · November 08, 2020, 04:00:28 AM

Only change your T4 If you want a change and money is no problem.
Otherwise stay with your T4.

Had Tyros 2 for 12 years...Sold it and purchased a Tyros 5-76.
I'm not planning to buy a Genos

Rick D. · November 08, 2020, 06:57:24 AM

Cor,

I traded my Tyros 5-76 in for the Genos a year ago this month. There is no comparison in my eyes. The touch screen alone is worth doing the trade, it is so easy to navigate now. The styles and voices are far superior as are the drums. Also having so many DSPs to choose from is a big advantage too. I got $2000 for my Tyros and got into the Genos for another $2500 with the stand, and speakers. Shop around!

Rick D.

EileenL · November 08, 2020, 08:33:59 AM

Well I have had my Genos now for two years and have had none of the problems mentioned above.
Certainly no scratches anywhere.

gary3917 · November 12, 2020, 12:10:53 AM

My only deal is the whole new learning curve has changed on the Genos .... very different . I had a Tyros ,2,3,4,5..and they all stayed the same ,therefore making an easy transition ....gettin to old to keep learning and I'm still learning my T 5 ! but If only the price would come down it might be worth learnig again ...but I aint got no big money to do it LOL .,.
Gary

dragonkeys · November 24, 2020, 12:41:06 AM

Hello everyone!

Surfing the net I found these videos, I am totally impressed.

Is it possible to do this with Tyros 4?

https://youtu.be/LQ3MQy6O1wg

David

overover · November 24, 2020, 05:10:38 AM

Quote from: dragonkeys on November 24, 2020, 12:41:06 AM
Hello everyone!

Surfing the net I found these videos, I am totally impressed.

Is it possible to do this with Tyros 4?

https://youtu.be/LQ3MQy6O1wg

David

This is the manufacturer of the well-known "G-Master" or "Ghenos" Expansion Packs for PSR-S and PSR-SX models.

Keep in mind that Tyros4 has only one Custom Voice Bank (max. 128 Custom Normal Voice and 20 Custom Drum Voice slots). And of course an optional Flash ROM Expansion Memory board must be installed (512, 1024 or 2048 MB are available). On the manufacturer's website it is stated that this "Superior Pack for Tyros4 & Tyros3" is 487 MB in size.

Best regards,
Chris

whisperdancer · November 24, 2020, 08:39:01 AM

Wow! If the piano is good, the piano sound alone justifies the price.
But not being a SA voice, I wonder how the sound is...

Denn · December 27, 2020, 06:31:14 PM

Hello David,

QuoteSurfing the net I found these videos, I am totally impressed.

Is it possible to do this with Tyros 4?

Looked at the videos and if that fellow played my T4 like that he would be out of the door in 10 seconds flat. Bashing the keys like that would kill the kbd in no time at all. Apart from that, I did not like the sounds, not my scene.
Regards, Den

EileenL · December 28, 2020, 08:00:59 AM

These keyboards are built to allow hard playing of keys. Pianists do have to press keys harder anyway. It dose not help that his stand was moving around though.

Leading Edge · December 29, 2020, 05:58:33 AM

Absolutely agree. These keyboards are designed to take a fair amount of heavy playing on the keys. My old Tyros 4 has had a very hard life with excessive amounts of 'Key Bashing' and performs as well as it did from new. On the same subject, I recently invested in an SX900 for home use and Yamaha advised me the key problem with earlier models had been corrected and was no longer an issue.

EileenL · December 29, 2020, 07:54:11 AM

SX a great little keyboard and could easily take the place of Tyros 4.

Leading Edge · December 29, 2020, 08:12:44 AM

Indeed it could but I really miss the SA2 voices so I doubt I would use it for work. Having said that, it is, as you say, an impressive mid-range keyboard and is quite capable of working for it's living if the need arose.

tyrosguy85 · February 10, 2021, 08:19:22 AM

Hi all,
Don't think i would change my Tyros 4 for anything else.I have got so used to the operation and sound of it.It would mean that i would have to load my user rhythms voices etc into a new one!!.I don't have a back up instrument at present so will probably search at another time when i'm back playing out again! I had a Technics kn7000 as a spare but sold it on back during the summer.

Would you sell your Tyros 4 and trade it in for a Genos?

musicalmemoriesuk