Are there any New problems after Genos 2.0 Update? Log them here

[jimlaing]

Hi - I have read a lot of the notes about the Genos 2.0 update ... most seem to be very positive ... but I think I saw someone mention that some of his Registrations didn't work (missing samples, the note said?) - so I wondered, maybe we can have a note (this one) to catalog any "new known problems" (or bugs or glitches, etc.) that anyone finds after updating to 2.0?

Thanks!
Jim

[Al Ram]

Jim,
I think this list is a good idea that will help people that have not yet done the upgrade to V2, this might help prepare for the upgrade.

I am not sure that i have found problems but rather i found challenges with this upgrade.

1. Lack of clear instructions.   For example, the instructions tell you that you can back up your user settings before the upgrade to V2, but in my case, the user settings backup file created right before the upgrade did not load after the upgrade.  As a result, i lost some of my user settings.  I am working to restore my settings.  It's OK, i will get there eventually.   This is challenging me to re-read the user manual, reference manual, data manual, etc.

2.  The installation of the Superior Pack . . . I managed to install, but the instructions to transfer the new package into Genos is lacking . . . YEM should have a help tab (inside YEM) clearly indicating where to click, etc.

I understand the Superior Pack is not necessarily part of the V2.0 upgrade, but in my case, it is one of the main reasons i did the upgrade.

Thanks

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

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Is there an update to the reference manual yet.
I cannot find anything that explains all in the update.
I like to see that updated because we may miss those little things that are hidden away until it dawns on us.

All the best
John

[Gunnar Jonny]

Both reference manual and usermanual is updated. It's now at letter _g in the row.
Scroll down the downloadpage to find latest stuff added.

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/downloads.html#product-tabs

[Fred Smith]

The font size for text files has been reduced by about 20%. If you thought the available font sizes were small before, they're smaller now.

Cheers,
Fred

[Snicker740]

My old problem from 1.4 to 2.0. Still cannot access the user style in the Recording MIDI part of the Step record.
An essential feature such that Yamaha forgot it. Can we only create MIDI tracks from Factory styles?

[mcbrown]

 just checked these download links  for AU and US and the Reference Manual link does not now seem to be working although the Owners Manual is ok. I downloaded them both last night to my PC without any problems.
Just wondering if Yamaha found an error and are sorting it out for the Reference Manual.

Just checked Yamaha Australia, USA and Europe for the Genos Reference Manual and it looks like its been taken offline as none of them will load at the moment. So does look like there might be some editing going on to fix some errors in the document which I downloaded last night. The current Reference Manual is version g0 so it will be interesting to see if it becomes h0.

[Wim NL]

My old problem from 1.4 to 2.0. Still cannot access the user style in the Recording MIDI part of the Step record.
An essential feature such that Yamaha forgot it. Can we only create MIDI tracks from Factory styles?

That's the biggest bumper for me.
I only want this problem solved.

You can now make user styles, favorite.
You can select favorite styles in Multi Record > Step Edit> Chord.
But when you select that favorite user style, the style SkyPop appear

[valimaties]

A friend, trying to change a Kit element in Drum Setup.
3 or 4 times in an our.

Strange is that keyboard control is taking place in front of Error's screen.

Another strange thing I have encountered is that after I change a registration, Live  Control screen is changing to Knobs screen I have to press every time to Slider Assign button to show me B page.

Style Creator:
In Channel Edit - Dynamics. If you change variations with that screen opened, and "Apply to all channels" is "OFF", it is not OFF. You have to turn On and Off again. (Old but still exists).
In Drum Setup: If you change Drum Kit, it inserts automatically to the half of measure a Reverb control. Strange!

I'm still working to find errors to avoid them in gigs

[Al Ram]

Vali

I have the same problem . . . after the upgrade all my registrations are showing knob control . . . before they were showing slider control B.

I placed a post asking on this forum for a solution.. . . in the meantime, i have found a workaround.  Not perfect but for now . . . .

You can press slide assign, place it on B and then put Freeze ON and check the 'live control' on.   That way your registrations will not go to knob control. 

please see post below
https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,52861.msg412199.html#msg412199

thanks

[valimaties]

I don't kno, but something is strange... From version to version, they add some new features or repair others, but they distroy existing functions!
Text in files is different, registrations are changing things abnormally, it is like they want to upset users. It is like they want to let users wait for other update  that solve new bugs inserted, and other bugs to come.
I don't know, but this is what I see... Why to change something that works fine and NOBODY asked for changing (Text font size?!?!?!?!)

Anyway, I'm glad of some new functions:

• Style Section reset
• Chord Looper
• Style new measure type added and it is very good implemented
• Playlist sorting option (they could be made as savable option, like "sort and save")

I hope they will correct this small anomalies very quickly 

Regards,
Vali

[StuartR]

Hi - I have read a lot of the notes about the Genos 2.0 update ... most seem to be very positive ... but I think I saw someone mention that some of his Registrations didn't work (missing samples, the note said?) - so I wondered, maybe we can have a note (this one) to catalog any "new known problems" (or bugs or glitches, etc.) that anyone finds after updating to 2.0?

Thanks!
Jim

I've noticed that a bunch of my registrations suddenly had one or more voices that showed up blank.  This affected at least 12 registrations so far. The weirdest part is that when I reference the backup copy of these on the USB drive these parts are still blank. This tells me that there is an issue with the expansion memory.

After the upgrade I reloaded all my packs using YEM 2.6 and then incrementally applied the Superior pack. Somewhere along the way this problem surfaced. Not good.

I'm going to reload (with formatting) all my packs again without doing a followup incremental load to see if this helps.

I noticed that during the incremental load of the Superior pack that the screen did briefly show a formatting message (for less than a sec) and then completed the load. This took a lot longer that I thought it should if it was really just adding that pack incrementally.

[robinez]

I have the same problem . . . after the upgrade all my registrations are showing knob control . . . before they were showing slider control B.

That's not a bug, it's actually a great new feature, the registrations stores every setting now (just like the korg pa4x does in the songbook). This opens unlimited possibilities, like changing the sound in your registration through voice edit (no need to create user voices anymore this way for simple adjustments), also all the effect programming is stored now in the registration (so no need to create user effects anymore for specific songs), and even all the settings in your mixer (including the knob assign) is stored in a registration.

Because this is a new feature it defaults to the first knob setting if you load your old registrations. You can avoid that by using the freeze button.
Maybe they can change this default to the slider again, but then again, it can be fixed within seconds once you load up a registration, press the slider knob and save it again in the registration.

This full registration storage (and works also for the OTS by the way) is for me one of the greatest new features of the genos 2.0.

[valimaties]

Hey, robinez, you cannot change a work of some months in some minutes because you want so (I tell about Yamaha, not about you )) )
If you want to add new setting to store in registrations (like Live Controls), store it, but NOT by default. Don't force a setting to something that user don't need

Really, I want to see how many of you play EDM and how many of you use Live Controls to make some DJ mixing stuff Come on, this is for 10% of those who use Genos. In this case don't force 90% to use forced a setting
Yes, it is useful when you have to do something like EDM and you have to quickly change thru those little screens, so you store that in registrations, is simply to press one time on a registration than pressing twice or till you find needed screen on those Knob Assign and Slider Assign buttons. But those others which don't need this, why do you force them to rewrite registrations?

[Al Ram]

Robinez

thanks for your comments.  Yes, this might be a great feature for some people.  However, for other people it is a setback . . . . . 

Yes, i know you can press the slider and re-save the registrations, unfortunately, for me that is a LOT of work.  Because it has to be done at the registration/button level.  I have hundreds of registration banks with an average of 7 to 10 buttons each . . . . . that means that i would have to repeat/re-save thousands . . . 

I also pointed out that as a workaround i can use the Freeze ON.   But that is not the point, the point is that this change creates more work . . . . when i could be playing . . .

Anyway, the upgrade is good but costly.

thanks again.

[jwyvern]

I don't understand Robinez comments. The ability to edit voices and store in regs rather than  make user voices goes way back, into Tyros. The ability to save DSP parameters was there on Genos before v2.

After v2 my small screen continues to show the B slider screen. Does the stated problem arise only where users have saved Live Control in their registrations? (I keep that unticked in spite of all OS updates putting  all the ticks back in!).
Incidentally if the slider screen changes to show knobs  it will flip back to show sliders if one of the latter is moved. (and vice versa).
John

[Danilo Tirado]

hello everyone my problem with the 2.0 update is with the vh2 the vocal harmonies are defective, does anyone have the same problem?

[robinez]

I don't understand Robinez comments. The ability to edit voices and store in regs rather than  make user voices goes way back, into Tyros. The ability to save DSP parameters was there on Genos before v2.

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not on my genos 1.4, i've tested this extensively by modifying sounds and reprogramming effects. Those settings were lost when i added those to a registration. That's why i used the workaround of user effects and user sounds. With 2.0 this works flawlessly, every edit is now stored in the OTS and Registration.

[voodoo]

Hi,

To my information, saving voice parameters and DSP parameters has been enabled in the step from PSR-S950 to PSR-S970. On S950 you had to use user effects, but starting from S970 DSP parameters are saved directly. Since Genos came after S970, it worked on Genos all the time.

Uli

[voodoo]

Another strange thing I have encountered is that after I change a registration, Live  Control screen is changing to Knobs screen I have to press every time to Slider Assign button to show me B page.

In the data list on page 88 there are three new lines in the parameter chart that are saved to registry:

* Sub display content
* knob assign type
* slider assign type

This means the active row of knobs or sliders is saved to registration. This is a great new feature.

Uli

[rikkisbears]

My old problem from 1.4 to 2.0. Still cannot access the user style in the Recording MIDI part of the Step record.
An essential feature such that Yamaha forgot it. Can we only create MIDI tracks from Factory styles?

Hi ,
Sx900  same thing, only factory styles appear to work in step record.

Is it a bug, or is this how it should be?

[BenoitM]

not on my genos 1.4, i've tested this extensively by modifying sounds and reprogramming effects. Those settings were lost when i added those to a registration. That's why i used the workaround of user effects and user sounds. With 2.0 this works flawlessly, every edit is now stored in the OTS and Registration.

I can confirm that in the pre-v2.0 Firmware, on the Genos when you assigned multiple DSPs to the same Voice (say 'Left 1') , and tweaked the parameters of each assigned DSPs, the Registration did not keep all the changes ! (it kept the assigned DSPs 'type' , but saved the tweaked parameters of only the last one that was modified...). It was useless because when you recalled your registration it did not sound like the saved one ! After lots of attempts, I never used multiples DSPs anymore :/ (I found it very frustrating, as it can dramatically change the sound - yes, electric guitars, I'm looking at you !  -  ! and - no - using 'User Effects' was not an option at that time.).

I'll have to test this on my V2.0 Genos A.S.A.P. and check if it correctly remember all the parameters of all the assigned DSPs  ! If it's the case, the #1 pain point for me would be resolved ! (still, there's a minor pain point : we still have to use some workaround to bring the 'Details parameters' screen when multiples DSPs are assigned on the same Part, but I can live with it...)

[Henry Millbrook]

I miss the clock in the top right-hand corner on the Home screen, a bit.

[Gunnar Jonny]

I miss the clock in the top right-hand corner on the Home screen, a bit.

Menu / Utility / Display-Touchscreen / choose between timestamp hide or show.
Show will place clock at top right corner of the screen again. 

[BenoitM]

not on my genos 1.4, i've tested this extensively by modifying sounds and reprogramming effects. Those settings were lost when i added those to a registration. That's why i used the workaround of user effects and user sounds. With 2.0 this works flawlessly, every edit is now stored in the OTS and Registration.

Well, not really... I did a test : selected a preset voice (60's Electric Guitar) on 'Left 1' , and stacked 2 DSPs on 'Left 1' as well  (a distortion and a compressor). I tweaked the 2 DSPs detailed parameters, save my changes to a Registration Memory, switched to another registration, select back the previously saved reg and ... No: Even with v2.0 , it doesn't save all my edits ... as in the previous versions, only the last edited DSP is correctly saved, the other(s) revert to their default detailed parameters 

[jwyvern]

Benoit, I have done tests also and the results agree with yours. Saving multiple edited DSP's in V2 is no different from 1.41 and earlier. You have to continue to make edited user DSP's if you want to stack multiples with parameter changes. But since Genos now has 40 memory slots for user DSP's  the memory limitation has been reduced in V2.
John

[StuartR]

Hi Stuart,
the problem of blank voices could be related to the pack bank on YEM [000 - 127] that is changed when you reload all the packs. I was not sure and before updating my Genos I've taken a photo of all pack bank numbers with the phone, than reload all of them into the same banks. At the moment I have no problems with my regs, but I'm not sure that all of them work properly.

Francesco

All I know is that after the 2.0 update some of my expansion voices apparently had their location information changed without warning. I know it's happened to at least one other person here in the forum. I don't know if it was as intentional change or a bug but it did happen.

[EileenL]

When you updated your YEM all packs should have been there with no alterations as mine were. As I wanted to now include the new superior pack and remove the packs I have for the voices now included in the update and add some new packs I made a new install file and loaded it. All my registrations that I have previously set up with some of these voices all work fine with no problem.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Eileen
I am the same as you as everything was the same as before in Yem and the only thing that has changed for me is that i lost my eq settings which took me no more that 5 minutes to redo.
If everybody has the same machine ,then everybody must have the same unless not letting things load properly or readin instructions etc.
Is it me or does the sound since update sound better???


All the Best
John

[jwyvern]

Is it me or does the sound since update sound better???

John

It is probably louder. (I found it so and made simple adjustment to master EQ to compensate since I am used to having the master vol set at 12 o' clock).
Ears, (or is it brains) often interpret that as better  .
JohnW