Voices edited on USB is there a possibility?

[hans1966]

Hi guys, I'm working on editing some preset voices of my S775. for this I use MIXING CONSOLE and VOICE SET. I like to have personalized voices to my liking. I usually keep them in the user memory. but when I tried to pass them from USER to USB, to have backup for future projects, the voice simply returned to its normal state, as if it had never been edited. I appreciate any advice you can give me about how to save personalized voices on the USB. Greetings. Hans

[Joe H]

hans,

When you edit the Voice Set File you must give it a new name... if not then the original voice will load.

Joe H

[panos]

Saving a voice either on keyboard's memory either on USB you have just one voice.
Usually we combine the R1 voice with another one(the R2 voice) and sometimes with a left hand voice.
We go to voice set as you said to apply the effects that we want and save them to the OTS to play a song with a style and its's voices without having to save the voices.Right?
We can do the same with registrations and have banks of favourite voices with or without a style without having to save the edited voices separately .
I believe it is more convenient to have 10 regs rather than 80 or 100 edited voices as we need to search them inside the usb's folders.

If we want a left hand voice we always need to save a style to the registration bank.
But as long we don't want the style but just the voices,we then just delete the style.

Maybe this method could help someone better to save and find his favourite edited voices.

It is also easier this way to save some of our favourite voices from the OTS that we already have saved them for a song straight to the registration bank with just a push of a couple of buttons.

[overover]

Hi Hans,

so called "USER-Voices" (= in Voice Set and/or Mixing Console edited Preset Voices) can only be used in Keyboard Parts (Right/Left). But you can NOT use User Voices in Styles, Multi Pads or MIDI files! It makes NO difference, where a User Voice is stored (USER drive or USB stick).

IF you revoice a Style or a MIDI file part or a Multi Pad using a USER Voice, any changes made to the voice will be ignored, and only the Preset Voice on which the User Voice is based will be loaded for that part.

On Tyros5 and Genos it is possible to edit Preset Voices in YEM (Expansion Manager) on a computer and store them as CUSTOM Voices. After installing the Pack containing these new Custom Voices on the keyboard (T5 or Genos) these Voices can be used for ALL purposes, including Styles, Multi Pads and MIDI files.

But on PSR-S models it is NOT possible to make Custom Voices based on Preset Voices in YEM, unfortunately.

Best regards,
Chris

[Seagull29]

Hi Hans,

USER-Voices (= in Voice Set and/or Mixing Console edited Preset Voices) can only be used in Keyboard Parts (Right/Left). But you can NOT use User Voices in Styles, Multi Pads or MIDI files! It makes NO difference, where a User Voice is stored (USER drive or USB stick).

IF you revoice a Style or a MIDI file part or a Multi Pad using a User Voice, any changes made to the voice will be ignored, and only the Preset Voice on which the user voice is based will be loaded for that part.

On Tyros5 and Genos it is possible to edit Preset Voices in YEM (Expansion Manager) on a computer and store them as CUSTOM Voices. After installing the Pack containing these new Custom Voices on the keyboard (T5 or Genos) these Voices can be used for ALL purposes, including Styles, Multi Pads and MIDI files.

But on PSR-S models it is NOT possible to make Custom Voices based on Preset Voices in YEM, unfortunately.

Best regards,
Chris

Hello,
it's not exactly true. I explain in section Tyros 5 how use a modified voice with DSP in Style Creator. You can make it also in sequencer and MultiPad with the same way. However, even if we modify a sound with YEM and we integrate it in a pack to use it in these sections, it does not work, we always come back to the original sound that was used to create the new sound.
At least, that's what happens with the Tyros 5 !
Regards
Seagull29

[panos]

Well I don't agree is a good idea to save a voice with a DSP effect to use it in a future style.

Better select the preset voices for the style and then use the mixing console to add the few effects that the keyboard allows along with the 3 DSPs that should be the same for all the parts of the style(except in genos).

Why should I need to save a voice for a style with just one DSP effect but it has not the dozens of other effects?
I will just make it in the mixing process with the other voices of the style so they will all sound as good as I can make them sound as an amateur user.

[hans1966]

Many thanks to Joe H, Panos, Sobre, and Gaviota29 for their valuable advice. The example I have is that: I have been working specifically on a voice of Bass Acoustic, with the intention that it sounds with more depth, achieving a sound more dark and forceful, since the sound that comes from the factory sounds very thin and metallic. but the idea is to be able to use this edited voice in all my MIDI arrangements, and also with some particular style. Greetings. Hans

[Seagull29]

Better select the preset voices for the style and then use the mixing console to add the few effects that the keyboard allows along with the 3 DSPs that should be the same for all the parts of the style(except in genos).

Hi,
suppose we have a saturated personal guitar sound that we have created with a DSP amp simulator and we want to use it only on an instrumental part of the style. If we simply change one of the 3 effects of the mixer, this DSP will be on ALL the instrumental parts! Thus, we see here the interest of inserting the DSP only on the instrumental part concerned, with of course the same settings as those used to create the personal voice.

Seagull29

[DerekA]

Hi,
suppose we have a saturated personal guitar sound that we have created with a DSP amp simulator and we want to use it only on an instrumental part of the style. If we simply change one of the 3 effects of the mixer, this DSP will be on ALL the instrumental parts! Thus, we see here the interest of inserting the DSP only on the instrumental part concerned, with of course the same settings as those used to create the personal voice.

That's not true.

DSP1 is the special 'variation effect' which does behave in this way, i.e. it applies to all style parts (unless you switch it to insertion mode). However the other two DSP for the style (DSP8 and DSP9) are insertion only, i.e. the only apply to one of the style parts.

In fact, when you select a user voice with a DSP attached, if you then check the mixer you will see it's used one of DSP8/9 for the effect.

[pjd]

That's not true.

DSP1 is the special 'variation effect' which does behave in this way, i.e. it applies to all style parts (unless you switch it to insertion mode). However the other two DSP for the style (DSP8 and DSP9) are insertion only, i.e. the only apply to one of the style parts.

In fact, when you select a user voice with a DSP attached, if you then check the mixer you will see it's used one of DSP8/9 for the effect.

Hi --

Thanks, Derek! When I produce styles for S-series, I try to use DSP1 only for styles, leaving any other DSP units for the keyboard voices (RIGHT1, RIGHT2 and LEFT). This seemed to be the convention used by Yamaha on the S950.

DSP1 -- the XG variation effect -- can be used in either SYSTEM mode or INSERTION mode as set by Sy*** messages in the style. SYSTEM mode lets the MIDI programmer apply the variation effect (i.e., the same single DSP effect) to more than one style part. So, for example, one could apply an amp simulator to two or more guitar parts in the style.

Hope the extra info is helpful -- pj

[Seagull29]

Hi,
Sorry, I forgot, of course, to specify that to use an insertion DSP on a single part of style, it was necessary to use the DSP 8 or 9 on the Tyros 5. Thank you for correcting the error.

Regards
Seagull29   

[hans1966]

Again many thanks Seagull 29, DereckA, and Pjd. Information on the effects of both the system and the insertion is very important. although this part I play very little. my focus is on editing through VOICE SET and MIX CONSOLE. work in the filter section (brightness or harmonics) EQ (low or high) and TUNE (tuning, octave). Reegards

[jwyvern]

Hi,
suppose we have a saturated personal guitar sound that we have created with a DSP amp simulator and we want to use it only on an instrumental part of the style. If we simply change one of the 3 effects of the mixer, this DSP will be on ALL the instrumental parts.

Seagull29

It doesn't have to be all does it? (Based on Tyros, am not sure of PSR's) . For the System effect, which is the one that you are concerned can affect all parts why can't you have all Sends set to zero apart from the voice(s) that need it?

John

[Seagull29]

Hello, simply because if, for example, it takes the channel of the reverb, it deprives of reverb all the other parts of the style! And it would be ridiculous to have just one instrumental part to modify to deprive others of an effect like reverb or other!
Greetings
Seagull 29

[hans1966]

Hi Guys, again thanks for your comments. In fact, what I'm looking for with these edited or persalized voices is to be able to create an expansion package that can be used in future PSR models, without having to do an editing job again. Greetings. Hans

[Joe H]

hans,

look over here:  http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,49743.msg389432.html#msg389432

There are SF2 options for creating your own pack with your favorite sounds.

Joe H

[DerekA]

Hello, simply because if, for example, it takes the channel of the reverb, it deprives of reverb all the other parts of the style! And it would be ridiculous to have just one instrumental part to modify to deprive others of an effect like reverb or other!

Not sure what you mean here.

Reverb and Chorus have their own dedicated blocks, they do not interfere with any of DSP1-9.

If you want to use DSP1 with one style part only, then you either switch it to insertion mode, or keep it in system mode but set it to zero on all the parts you don't want to affect.

[hans1966]

hans,

look over here:  http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,49743.msg389432.html#msg389432

There are SF2 options for creating your own pack with your favorite sounds.

Joe H

Hello Joe, thanks for your suggestions. I will search these SF2 files online. my preference is the orchestral epic sounds, and effects for movies. I have a composition in which I want to include orchestral sounds and ethereal textures. Greetings. Hans

[Joe H]

You might try here:  https://logicalsoundz.selz.com/

Also check eBay.

Joe H

[hans1966]

Hi Joe H, again thanks for the information, I searched the site and it looks very interesting, it's a pity that there is not a demo of each pack to listen to before buying it. Greetings. Hans

[elad770]

Saving a voice either on keyboard's memory either on USB you have just one voice.
Usually we combine the R1 voice with another one(the R2 voice) and sometimes with a left hand voice.
We go to voice set as you said to apply the effects that we want and save them to the OTS to play a song with a style and its's voices without having to save the voices.Right?
We can do the same with registrations and have banks of favourite voices with or without a style without having to save the edited voices separately .
I believe it is more convenient to have 10 regs rather than 80 or 100 edited voices as we need to search them inside the usb's folders.

If we want a left hand voice we always need to save a style to the registration bank.
But as long we don't want the style but just the voices,we then just delete the style.

Maybe this method could help someone better to save and find his favourite edited voices.

It is also easier this way to save some of our favourite voices from the OTS that we already have saved them for a song straight to the registration bank with just a push of a couple of buttons.

Hey Panos! How are you? Let me ask you a question that baffles me

I'm also in the process of collecting voices i like and i also do it with registration files - Much more convenient
The problem that i'm experiencing is when i want to Call the registration file with these voices during a performance

In other words: I'm using a registration file to play a song but in the middle of the song i would like to change to the sounds i collected in a different registration file

How do i do that smoothly without clicking so many buttons to get to the registration file?

[panos]

hm...easy way in the middle of the song with our arrangers?
ok you can get to a favourite registrations by pushing buttons and searching for files but until you have done the audience would have leaved 
Unfortunately as I can understand everything must be well prepared.
Maybe if for every registration you create another one set with the same name and the mark "+" or "2" or whatever you like beside it, with a set of 10 favourite voices.(style-tempo etc unchecked).
Then you can easily change to this reg by pushing the "+" reg button and return to the previous one with the "-" reg button when you have done with your "instantaneous inspiration".

If you don't use regs to play songs you can create a folder with some "fixed" favourite regs with sounds lets say 3-5 sets of 10 and with a couple of pushes of the reg "+" or "-" you can find them.

Is there any options to save a favourite reg or regs on the assignable buttons on Genos that maybe could be useful?

Other option....
If you don't have to use all 10 reg buttons for a song,lets say you use 4 of them,leave the 5th reg empty and have some alternative,extra voice combinations in regs 6-10.

I am not gigging or anything so I don't need to use extra voice combinations while I am playing.I maybe play a different improvisation or change the parts that I had in mind but not voices.

Maybe someone else knows a better way to easily choose other voices while playing.

[Joe H]

Hans,

I don't know if you got your problem solved or not.  Here's the deal... The Voice Set files work ONLY for R1, R2, Left. So if you are trying to create special Voices for the style Parts, the only way to do that is to use registrations. Registrations will save any edits you make in the MIXING CONSOLE.

The other option I suggested is to find some SF2 files you can create in YEM and install as an expansion pack. 

The way our keyboards work is when we select a R1, R2 or Left Voice, The keyboards loads that Voice... then the Voice Set file. Thats why I suggested you give your User Voices a new name.  When you select a User Voice, the keyboard will load the Preset Voice... then your custom Voice Set file.  In other words, when you load a User Voice, you will see the Preset Voice load and name displayed.  Then the keyboard will load the Voice Set with your custom settings.

If you load a User Voice to a style Part... the Voice Set file is NOT loaded.

Hope that makes sense to you.

Regards,
Joe H

[elad770]

hm...easy way in the middle of the song with our arrangers?
ok you can get to a favourite registrations by pushing buttons and searching for files but until you have done the audience would have leaved 
Unfortunately as I can understand everything must be well prepared.
Maybe if for every registration you create another one set with the same name and the mark "+" or "2" or whatever you like beside it, with a set of 10 favourite voices.(style-tempo etc unchecked).
Then you can easily change to this reg by pushing the "+" reg button and return to the previous one with the "-" reg button when you have done with your "instantaneous inspiration".

If you don't use regs to play songs you can create a folder with some "fixed" favourite regs with sounds lets say 3-5 sets of 10 and with a couple of pushes of the reg "+" or "-" you can find them.

Is there any options to save a favourite reg or regs on the assignable buttons on Genos that maybe could be useful?

Other option....
If you don't have to use all 10 reg buttons for a song,lets say you use 4 of them,leave the 5th reg empty and have some alternative,extra voice combinations in regs 6-10.

I am not gigging or anything so I don't need to use extra voice combinations while I am playing.I maybe play a different improvisation or change the parts that I had in mind but not voices.

Maybe someone else knows a better way to easily choose other voices while playing.

Panos!

You really inspired me now. Why?

Because your idea is brilliant but it's not what i was looking for. Indeed, I can do another bank, give it the same name with the ending number. Then in the middle of the song Hit FREEZE and + to go to the new Registration that has only voices and start improvising with voices but it's not as smooth

What really inspired me with your reply is the understanding that Yamaha's new 1.4 updates is missing the mark. How?
They allow you in the new update to assign Reg 1, 2 , 3 , 4 ,  etc - This is useless and doesn't make sense. Why would anyone assign Reg 1 if the Reg1 Button is right in front of him (closer than the assignable button) Not logical

What would make sense and would be an amazing feature (which i don't believe 1.4 offers) is the ability to assign a "hyperlink" or a link to a SPECIFIC! registration.
To predetermine exactly which reg file i want to be called when i press the assignable Letter. Like that , the options are truly endless!

[hans1966]

Hans,

I don't know if you got your problem solved or not.  Here's the deal... The Voice Set files work ONLY for R1, R2, Left. So if you are trying to create special Voices for the style Parts, the only way to do that is to use registrations. Registrations will save any edits you make in the MIXING CONSOLE.

The other option I suggested is to find some SF2 files you can create in YEM and install as an expansion pack. 

The way our keyboards work is when we select a R1, R2 or Left Voice, The keyboards loads that Voice... then the Voice Set file. Thats why I suggested you give your User Voices a new name.  When you select a User Voice, the keyboard will load the Preset Voice... then your custom Voice Set file.  In other words, when you load a User Voice, you will see the Preset Voice load and name displayed.  Then the keyboard will load the Voice Set with your custom settings.

If you load a User Voice to a style Part... the Voice Set file is NOT loaded.

Hope that makes sense to you.

Regards,
Joe H

Hi Joe H, thanks for your advice. I have done what you have told me, for example with the voice "Bass Acoustic" I have fitted the name to "Contrabass Hans" and keep it in the memory of records. this edition was made in my previous S775 and works perfectly in my new S975. Both the S775 and the S975 are excellent keyboards, but obviously the S975 has more and better sounds, especially I like the sounds of the Chorus & Pad folder, and Strings, with which you can create multiple textures. Having said that there is a lot of work to be done with this powerful machine. Greetings. Hans