Genos v1.4 speculation thread

[pjd]

Attached is a snap from the Genos v1.40 pre-release announcement.

Please discuss. 

-- pj

P.S. This snap is copied from the Yamaha video announcement.


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[pjd]

Looks like Yamaha is finally using the narrow space at the top of the main screen. Is that a bar and beat indicator in the upper left corner?


-- pj

[soundphase]

Right => transposition
Middle => 4 main pages perhaps (the bar with 4 parts )

[Bachus]

Right => transposition
Middle => 4 main pages perhaps (the bar with 4 parts )

I think the middle is a beat indicator as PJ indicated...

[jwyvern]

Left= Tempo (duplicating existing in the style box).
Next = Bar and Beat counter (duplicate).
Middle = Beat display
Next= Keyboard Transpose
Next= Master or Song Transpose. (the icon is more like the Master)
Rightmost = Time as existing


John

[EB5AGV]

I wonder what they mean exactly by EXTERNAL DISPLAY SUPPORT

Right now, using a USB video card, I was able to use an external monitor, which was just the same display on the Genos display, but it was slower to refresh... would that mean they have changed/updated the driver, so to say?

Jose

[ckobu]

I think @jwyvern hit everything except Keyboard Transpose. I think it's split keyboards.
EXTERNAL DISPLAY SUPPORT = external display with a touch screen

But what about the measure of SkyPop style? The picture shows 1/8 while we now have 4/4. News in Style Editor?

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[Bachus]

I wonder what they mean exactly by EXTERNAL DISPLAY SUPPORT

Right now, using a USB video card, I was able to use an external monitor, which was just the same display on the Genos display, but it was slower to refresh... would that mean they have changed/updated the driver, so to say?

Jose

Would be nice to use an ipad as external screen...

[Bill]

Not to sure about the 2 right most Icons

Bill

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[Bachus]

I think @jwyvern hit everything except Keyboard Transpose. I think it's split keyboards.
EXTERNAL DISPLAY SUPPORT = external display with a touch screen

But what about the measure of SkyPop style? The picture shows 1/8 while we now have 4/4. News in Style Editor?

The 4/4 is still there, i think its another way of showing its currently in measure 1 of 8 in that variation..

[Bachus]

Not to sure about the 2 right most Icons

Bill

The left one is + or - a full octave
The right one could me a simple transpose..

[maartenb]

Not to sure about the 2 right most Icons

As others have also said:

• Transpose (in semitone steps)
• Transpose mode: Master, Keyboard or Song

It's the same as for the shortcut buttons at the bottom of the screen. I removed the Demo shortcut and placed the transpose shortcut there, exactly for the reason of being able to see the transpose. With 1.4 it is shown at the top. Nice!


And, probably a red bouncing ball on the external display with 1.4!

I hope they add a Chord Sequencer, too...


Maarten

[ckobu]

Bachus, I think you're right.
For now we have this situation.


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[panos]

I think also that 1/8 is the pattern length of the style part.
In the Skypop style main A,intro 3 & ending 3 they have 8 measures.
The picture from above is probably from main A.
May I ask something to Genos users?
Is it important and convinient for the voices icons to be that big?
Do they help you in live playing or something?

[Bachus]

Transpose (in semitone steps)

Might also be in octaves, the symbol represents a full octave

[Bachus]

May I ask something to Genos users?
Is it important and convinient for the voices icons to be that big?
Do they help you in live playing or something?

Its a "touch" screen, and big icons are easy to touch..
For me personally its very convenient
Espescially when compared to the much smaller icons on the pa4x i used to own.

[rbackes]

Its a "touch" screen, and big icons are easy to touch..
For me personally its very convenient
Espescially when compared to the much smaller icons on the pa4x i used to own.

yes, but I think those pictures are mostly 'eye-candy' and do not provide so much additional information compared to the size.
For me they could be shrunk to half of their height, leaving enough area even for really big fingers. The screen space won could be used e.g. for another row of menu-buttons at the bottom.

Rainer

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

..... May I ask something to Genos users?
Is it important and convinient for the voices icons to be that big?

THANKS Panos for bringing that up.  My answer is of course NO.  I have been asking myself what kind of people love all these  "wonderful pixel and design work and space wasting super large  but unclear icons. " The most extreme examples of good for nothing pop up when you go to demos.
Must be that YAMAHA vendors love them like some people seem to like "de - clarifying"  PC and phone desktops with good for nothing background photos of their dogs, wifes, granchildren and or cars. These icons servo no purpose just like we had flying papers when copying something in XP. 

What would serve a porpose was listing with what styles and settings you can duplicate the demos, but admittedly they are so complicated  and non- style based that that would not help but clarify:  "please undertand these demos are not what you will be able to do."   

Icon-related things seem to be difficult for the present developers.  I miss a lot of the Tyros Icons that we had earlier. Strangely if you had an icon transferred with a style or whatever   Genos reproduces them, but I can find them nowhere when programming somthing on Genos.  Please any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Stijn]

Icon-related things seem to be difficult for the present developers.  I miss a lot of the Tyros Icons that we had earlier. Strangely if you had an icon transferred with a style or whatever   Genos reproduces them, but I can find them nowhere when programming somthing on Genos.  Please any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers

Kaarlo

Hello Kaarlo,
Tyros 3 had lots of icons to choose from, Tyros 4 and 5 had less icons. There are over 400 icons to choose from but Genos only shows 160 of them.
The thing is that you cannot select the other icons on the Genos or Tyros while saving Styles, Registrations and so on.

You need a PC to replace the reference at  the end of a file name. For instance the file name Johnny Guitar.S085.RGT; the S085 stands for a Guitar and if you want to change it to an icon showing 'Keys' you would change the reference to S792.

See the attached list.

Stijn



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[Bachus]

yes, but I think those pictures are mostly 'eye-candy' and do not provide so much additional information compared to the size.
For me they could be shrunk to half of their height, leaving enough area even for really big fingers. The screen space won could be used e.g. for another row of menu-buttons at the bottom.

Rainer

I own both a modx and a Genos
modx has no icons
I can asure you these icons are more then just eye candy
To me they make things easy recognisable
Where on the modx i allways need to read small print

I think other modx owners now exactly where i cone from

[EB5AGV]

In an ideal world they would be configurable in size and even display distribution... I find them a bit on the too large size, but for me it is not a big problem. If you use a larger external display, then, yes, they are huge 

Jose

[panos]

The icons and the colours are nice I just wondered if by having a smaller size it could make space to enlarge the letters for all the other displayed informations you need when you look at the screen.
If a keyboardist having a problem to hit the right spot with his finger and needs such big icons,
I wonder how he deals with the style,reg,pad,OTS buttons.
Also for people that have visibility problems could be any useful? Or at least to some of them maybe?
I remember a lady having trouble to navigate to the menou with the voice help.
I wish they improve also this function or have an application or something to help these people to play music with keyboards.

[Kokoriz]

I hope they add DAW remote control like on the MOXF for Cubase.

[Bachus]

I hope they add DAW remote control like on the MOXF for Cubase.

Would be nice, but i don't think we will see this...

Personally i would love an option to load user created arps...
And an option to save them to a usb stick, the same way you save styles, songs, multipads etc...

But what really needs attention is the dsp interface and the way you can save all 28 edited dsp and their routing to a performance..

Other things like being able to edit and create sounds on board.. or have a piano roll for midi edditing, is something i don't expect...

[StuartR]

Would be nice, but i don't think we will see this...

Personally i would love an option to load user created arps...
And an option to save them to a usb stick, the same way you save styles, songs, multipads etc...

But what really needs attention is the dsp interface and the way you can save all 28 edited dsp and their routing to a performance..

Other things like being able to edit and create sounds on board.. or have a piano roll for midi edditing, is something i don't expect...

I'd be happy to have the sliders not immediately jump to their current position if they get accidentally bumped. I think there's a software remediation possible there. Also the keyboard capitalization should return from upper to lower case after the first capital letter (as most other software keyboards do).

[Bachus]

I'd be happy to have the sliders not immediately jump to their current position if they get accidentally bumped. I think there's a software remediation possible there.

Most keyboards, including my modx, allow you to choose from several different behaviors..
This is definately one of these updates i do expect

[Wil5560]

Truly hope that the bouncing ball with external monitor problem is solved with the new upcoming V1.4. Currently the bouncing ball when watching and wanting to play with the score is always behind and delayed which is extremely annoying. Previous Tyros 5 never showed this problem.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Get rid of that bouncy ball  and have have a proper music score screen with chords showng.
That could be sent to monitor screen.
A slow scroll down ongoing so that you always stay in the middle of the music.
That is my take on it
Intelligent score reading would be great that  follows you 

[StuartR]

Most keyboards, including my modx, allow you to choose from several different behaviors..
This is definately one of these updates i do expect

Ah- good news that the new MODX has that.

[AlBags]

Quite WHY they had to nick the music from The Crystal Maze ... is anyones guess!

I'm sure there will be MANY updates in 1.4, not just the screen display.