Piano sound..

[Bachus]

Did anyone build some piano sounds from a non Yamaha acoustic grand piano.
It should be possible with Yem..
Looking for a more western piano like bechstein, bosendorfer or preferably a Steinway D.

The advantage of having a great piano sound in expansion is twofold
As it will have its own 128 voices of polyphony.. which is great while dampered piano takes huge polyphony..

[Snicker740]

Did anyone build some piano sounds from a non Yamaha acoustic grand piano.
It should be possible with Yem..
Looking for a more western piano like bechstein, bosendorfer or preferably a Steinway D.

The advantage of having a great piano sound in expansion is twofold
As it will have its own 128 voices of polyphony.. which is great while dampered piano takes huge polyphony..

Try my Piano voice. It is taken from Steinway Concert D in IVORY II AMERICAN CONCERT D. It will need 420MB of memory
http://www.mediafire.com/file/nta404730ycn4pt/Genos_Piano_Drum_Trial.rar/file

[mikew2016]

You can find a brilliant "Bösendorfer Imperial 290" for T5 an Genos here
http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/page82.html

[Bachus]

You can find a brilliant "Bösendorfer Imperial 290" for T5 an Genos here
http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/page82.html

Yes, it was released this weak, by CMS, they have 3 high quallity pianos available for Genos..
Each of them 900 MB +

I choose anoth solution..
I bought a modx8..
It comes with a higher quallity(then Genos) CFX and a free downloadable Bösendorfer imperial (490 MB) and has the much needed 88 key hammeraction...

[StuartR]

You can find a brilliant "Bösendorfer Imperial 290" for T5 an Genos here
http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/page82.html

I'll be interested to hear opinions on these. The audio demos didn't show me much as they were layered with orchestral backing.

[panos]

Nice demo.Could be more boring if they have tried a little more.
If someone can make a real good sound please just play c d e f g a b c and back.
Anything else to me is just...theoretical "bla bla bla". 

[mikew2016]

Please check the new published audio demos:
http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/page82.html

[CMS Sounddesign]

Hello dear music lovers,

I have heard of the request regarding further audio demos. Today I recorded two more audio demos (Pure Jazz Piano without Drums or Accompainment) with the new CMS Bösendorfer Expansion Piano and put them online as MP3 files. I will put another "classic" demo online in the next few days.

Jazz Demo 1: http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/wa_files/cms%20grand%20piano%203%20jazz%20demo%201.mp3
Jazz Demo 2: http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/wa_files/cms%20grand%20piano%203%20jazz%20demo%202.mp3

With the best musical regards

Peter Schips
CMS Sounddesign

[EB5AGV]

Hello dear music lovers,

I have heard of the request regarding further audio demos. Today I recorded two more audio demos (Pure Jazz Piano without Drums or Accompainment) with the new CMS Bösendorfer Expansion Piano and put them online as MP3 files. I will put another "classic" demo online in the next few days.

Jazz Demo 1: http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/wa_files/cms%20grand%20piano%203%20jazz%20demo%201.mp3
Jazz Demo 2: http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/wa_files/cms%20grand%20piano%203%20jazz%20demo%202.mp3

With the best musical regards

Peter Schips
CMS Sounddesign

Hi Peter,

Is great to have you onboard!

Nice demos, BTW

Jose

[elad770]

I love Cms. They are so awsome and generous
The only problem with ALL their samples is that it takes So much memory that I sometimes find it impractical to use. Yhe Piano pack is 933mb....Ah....that's more than Half the entire memory space. I wonder if theres away to compress these files (I know Yamaha improved on that)
And if Cms are aware of this

[panos]

Those two piano demos were great! 
I wanted to listen to that playing until the very end!
Now everyone can have a better opinion about this sound pack.

[CMS Sounddesign]

Hello dear music lovers,

Thank you for the warm welcome to your forum.

The problem of the storage capacity we have already worn for years to Yamaha, but unfortunately nothing has happened so far. Rather, on the contrary, since the storage capacity of the Genos, in comparison to the Tyros 5, neither expandable nor has become larger. But we are not Yamaha and have idesbzgl. unfortunately, little influence on the development of Yamaha keyboards. We are even curious if Yamaha will finally expand the storage capacity of the Genos in an upcoming update. In view of the development, this would be really necessary.

The original recording of the Bösendorfer grand piano has brought us about 70 gigabytes of different recordings, which we could reduce to about 933MB after selection and processing. (Full Chromatic Sampling - 8 Dynamic Switches - Loop after 15sec) But we are working on an "essential version" with interval sampling, which will minimize the storage capacity. This must be done very carefully, otherwise the sound effects are too serious. The owners of the full version will receive the Essential Version in a free update.

With the best musical greetings from the rainy Mainz / Rhine.

Peter Schips
CMS Sounddesign

[Mosquitos62110]

CMS Soudsesign,

Bonjour,

afin de tester le piano Bosendorfer avant l'achat et avoir une idee de la sonorite une fois installe sur l'instrument, vous serez t-il possible de faire un fichier PPF de ce piano avec une vingtaine de notes environ reparties sur le clavier ?

Je possede un Tyros 5 61 touches.

Merci d'avance,

Christian from France.

[CMS Sounddesign]

Bonjour.

Je suis vraiment désolé, mais nous ne communiquons pas de données de test au format .PPF. Nos produits sont tous protégés contre la copie et sont expédiés exclusivement au format Yamaha .cpf.

Je me ferai un plaisir de vous envoyer un fichier .cpf de test avec un échantillon d'échantillons si vous nous envoyez le fichier d'informations sur l'instrument de votre clavier, mais vous n'obtiendrez pas une réelle idée de la gamme sur toute la gamme.bTous nos produits sont fournis avec des échantillons audio ou des vidéos de produits et affichent les produits 1: 1 de notre Tyros 5. Il n'y a pas d'autre outil de mixage ou de mastering utilisé. Pour enregistrer les démos audio, nous utilisons une carte son UAD Apollo.

Avec les meilleures salutations musicales

Peter Schips
CMS Sounddesign

[Mosquitos62110]

bonsoir,

merci pour cette proposition d'un fichier test en CPF !

Je vous envoie mon adresse email en mp, ecrivez moi et je vous enverrai mon fichier instrument info en retour, vous pourrez ensuite m'envoyer un lien de telechargement pour le fichier test protege au format CPF.

Je vous remercie beaucoup, c'est tres gentil !

Christian de France.

koula.bou@yahoo.com

[Bachus]

Would it be possible to keep this in English?
I don't really understand much french..

Might be interested in the discussion tough?

[CMS Sounddesign]

Hi !

I also speak very bad french. I use the Google Translator.

Regards/Peter

[soundphase]

Hi !

I also speak very bad french. I use the Google Translator.

Regards/Peter

I take profit from this thread to thank you for all the gifts you provide us.
Soundphase.

[CMS Sounddesign]

With pleasure.

With the best musical regards

Peter Schips
CMS Sounddesign

[Bachus]

I take profit from this thread to thank you for all the gifts you provide us.
Soundphase.

Yes, i would sign this..
You are indeed very royal..
And deserve good buiseness..


Sothankyou Peter.

[elad770]

Peter is Great.

I had an inquiry and he replied ASAP

I would give Peter Advice since he's a super approachable guy:

Please keep your prices reasonable. People look for value

Not every Genos customer is a guy who's loaded with cash. Most users probably saved for a long time and still paying for it

Though the price of talent and hard work (I believe you fulfilled both of these) is subjective, I think you will do much better if you produce more, have a lot of variety and charge a price that everyone could afford. I think that the fact your sounds are circulating among us is more valuable in the long run. But when it's time to sell Packs and premium sounds try to keep it within reason.

Also and even more important: Allow Even greater discounts for those who purchase more and more frequent. Allow custom pricing when contacted and work with people's needs
Some people post links to companies that sample sounds, put a price tag and that's it. I don't think it will work for them. Having you in this forum is definitely a major step to establish a must have rapport. You have thousands of people in this forum alone. If you would sell a premuim pack for 25$ instead of 70Euro you will sell Hundreds of them. I promise you that!

[mikf]

You have thousands of people in this forum alone. If you would sell a premuim pack for 25$ instead of 70Euro you will sell Hundreds of them. I promise you that!

Elad -  I think you are off the mark here. The number of regular visitors to this forum who also own a Genos is not likely to be close to these numbers.
I know everyone wants things to be as cheap as possible, but given the amount of work and limited market size, 25$ probably would feel like giving it away. Even if they did sell hundreds, at 25$ that is still not not a huge return. The seller would need to sell many times more at such a low price, and realistically I doubt lowering the price would drive that big a difference.
I take your point that some people may have had to stretch finances to buy a Genos, but there are also many who would not balk at 70 euro if they really want this.

[Roger Brenizer]

Would it be possible to keep this in English?
I don't really understand much french..

Might be interested in the discussion tough?

bonsoir,

merci pour cette proposition d'un fichier test en CPF !

Je vous envoie mon adresse email en mp, ecrivez moi et je vous enverrai mon fichier instrument info en retour, vous pourrez ensuite m'envoyer un lien de telechargement pour le fichier test protege au format CPF.

Je vous remercie beaucoup, c'est tres gentil !

Christian de France.

koula.bou@yahoo.com

I simply right clicked Christian's (Mosquitos62110) comment, Bachus, selected "Translate to English" and it was translated as follows:

good evening,

thank you for this proposal for a test file in CPF!

I send you my email address in MP, write me and I will send you my instrument info file in return, you can then send me a download link for the protected test file in CPF format.

Thank you very much, it's very nice!

Christian de France.

koula.bou@yahoo.com

[elad770]

Elad -  I think you are off the mark here. The number of regular visitors to this forum who also own a Genos is not likely to be close to these numbers.
I know everyone wants things to be as cheap as possible, but given the amount of work and limited market size, 25$ probably would feel like giving it away. Even if they did sell hundreds, at 25$ that is still not not a huge return. The seller would need to sell many times more at such a low price, and realistically I doubt lowering the price would drive that big a difference.
I take your point that some people may have had to stretch finances to buy a Genos, but there are also many who would not balk at 70 euro if they really want this.

What i meant by pointing out a number is the potential outreach (including outside this forum) and not necessarily an exact number. I also don't limit necessarily Genos users (I think there are more Tyros Users) and i agree that if it's not worth it , there's no discussion. If this is the guy's life and main income i'm sure he figured out what its worth and what is expected

My only suggestion is rooted in the word VOLUME. When you have a studio and this is your full-time occupation i would think that there will be a production of a variety of product:

Packs, Voices, Styles, Multi -Pads, Sound FX

If you have many of these products for many keyboard models (Even not Yamaha) you expand your target crowd and can sell cheaper at higher volume.

But again, if it's not feasible i take everything back and simply thank and appreciate everything and everybody!

[Bachus]

I simply right clicked Christian's (Mosquitos62110) comment, Bachus, selected "Translate to English" and it was translated as follows:

good evening,

thank you for this proposal for a test file in CPF!

I send you my email address in MP, write me and I will send you my instrument info file in return, you can then send me a download link for the protected test file in CPF format.

Thank you very much, it's very nice!

Christian de France.

koula.bou@yahoo.com

Thanks for the translation, offcourse i have done this myself (altough its not as simple as left clicking on an ipad). 

But since this is an English forum, wouldn't you agree that it would have been nice if mister Christian from France would have done so? Before posting?

I asume you orriginate from the US and might have problems understanding my reaction, but this is a thing in Europe, where mostly the bigger countries expect people,from other countries to just speak and understand their language, and they don't put effort in trying to learn other people's language and culture..

I live in Holland, why is it that they expect every dutchman to either understand German, English or French, and don't even try to adapt to our language?

And why post here in French, and expect Peter Schips to just understand it, or put out the effort to translate it?

Maybe it shouldn't have been discussed here, but i think its just courtesy to try and speak the language of the country you are in, or in this case the board you are posting on? 

You asked me why i didn't put in the effort of translating, well, i tried to esplain why i questioned the fact that Christian didn't translate his question? Its just a matter of courtesy. Its on the same level as standing up in a bus for older people and offer them your seat. Its not a big thing, but its a thing to me and many others.

When i visit a country, i allways try to know a few basic centences, just to reach out to the people...

[CMS Sounddesign]

Hello dear music lovers.

Of course it is important to us to offer the products at a reasonable price. We not only produce expansion packs with multiple content (themed packs) or as complex sounds as grand pianos or pianos, but also single sounds or small packs for a short time.
This provides the opportunity to tailor the selection of products to your personal needs. Currently we have prices of single sounds between 3.90 to 5.90 euros. Drum kits are in production and will be between 7.90 and 9.90 euros per drum kit.

Small theme packs (currently just six pieces on the accordion released) are at 19.90 euros. I think the prizes are more than fair and also give the musician a completely individual choice, even considering the limited storage capacity.

Since all sounds based on the YEM are tuned and produced, there is also the greatest possible compatibility with respect to all instruments that interact with the YEM.

- Yamaha Genos
- Yamaha Tyros 5
- Yamaha PSR-S 975/970
- Yamaha PSR-S 775/770
- Yamaha PSR-S 670

Ultimately, the end user and the consumer decide whether or not he will like the offered software. As a company, we can only try to create an offer. This is done i.a. also through the cooperation with the end customers and musicians, because we attach great importance to ideas and suggestions of the end user. Our most expensive products are 129, - Euro and thus below the average prices of the original Yamaha expansion. These products contain a lot of content in the best possible quality. All samples are recorded either with our RME converters or with our UAD Apollo systems, which guarantee extremely high quality.

From an economic point of view, it is not feasible to offer these products even cheaper.

Our drum library has over 8 months of development time, recording, mixing and mastering, sample screening and processing. Of course, considering the amount of data and working hours, we have to calculate realistically. A further reduction of the price does not promote the sale, which has shown us various discount promotions of other products over time. So much work must also have a realistic equivalent, otherwise you can do this task as a pure hobby.

For ideas, wishes and suggestions regarding missing products, we always have an open ear and an anonymous contact form (data protection) on our website. If these attachments are technically feasible, we will collect them and try to realize them in a timely feasible framework.

With the best musical regards

Peter

[Bachus]

Peter, i think your prices are very good..
€59 for a high end grandpiano seems a very fair price..

Only wish there was a half size version at around 500MB..
But that is just me..

[CMS Sounddesign]

Hello !

We are working on an "Essential" version, which should offer a compromise with reduced data.
The Essential Version is expected to be 39, - Euro and the customers of the full version will receive the Essential Version as a free update.

Greeting / Peter

[Bachus]

Hello !

We are working on an "Essential" version, which should offer a compromise with reduced data.
The Essential Version is expected to be 39, - Euro and the customers of the full version will receive the Essential Version as a free update.

Greeting / Peter

Thats great news and great service

[elad770]

CMS sounds!

Excellent work.