Anyone expecting an O.S. update?

[guitpic1]

I'm guessing this has been addressed but I must have missed it.

Any new OS updates for Genos coming? 

Just curious. 

My Genos is working fine...very happy with it.  Matter of fact, I still haven't upgraded to the latest OS.

[EileenL]

You should update your keyboard as soon as any updates come out as they put right things that were not working correctly. Update to version 1.30 as soon as possible.

[guitpic1]

Good point Eileen

Will do.

This last update will most likely be the last update we get?

[keynote]

This last update will most likely be the last update we get?

Only time will tell. As discussed previously on this forum there are still some lingering bugs people have encountered, myself included. You would think Yamaha would jump on the opportunity to fix these bugs and perhaps they are in the process of doing just that. It could require a longer time frame in order to make sure the new update (if indeed there is one) addresses all known issues and that it also won't cause other problems to crop up once the new update is installed. That means Yamaha might require comprehensive benchmarking and functionality testing before releasing the new update to the public.  We need to remember that Korg released OS update 2.01 for the Pa4x two years ago this month before releasing OS update 3.0 a few days ago. That's two whole years between updates so you see it may require more patience than previously anticipated before we receive a possible update for the Genos.    On the other hand, Yamaha may be concentrating all of its time and energy on Genos 2.0. If that is the case then a lot of current Genos owners would likely be very disappointed and may question the validity of upgrading to the Genos 2.0 once it is available. In other words, if Yamaha is content with the current situation regarding the Genos (bugs and all) then a lot of people might question Yamaha's overall dedication to product support on future keyboard products. Just sayin'...

Mike   

[Fred Smith]

This last update will most likely be the last update we get?

Many of us would be disappointed if there are no further updates.

Cheers,
Fred

[markstyles]

I went to update my OS on Genos from 1.20 to 1.30

I go to https://usa.yamaha.com/support/updates/firm_genos.html

The download link say 1.30, but it is actually 1.20

I tried to find the European download link.. But searching the European Yamaha support site, has 'no results' for Genos.. 

Does anyone have the proper download link..  Thanx,. 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Mark

This is from the UK download site

https://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/downloads.html#product-tabs

Hope this helps

All the Best
john

[beykock]

Hi,

I am told a new Genos update will be presented by Yamaha in February 2019.

I do not know if this information is true and has been confirmed yet.

Babette

[markstyles]

Thanx Ugawoga:

I decided to complete erase and format my usb stick drive.  (although it is the stick drive I used to install Genos 1.20).  It doesn't make sense US link would be wrong.  I'm downloaded 1.30 right now from Europe.  (dear I hope I'm not have a senior moment).. 

I got the same results, installed version 1.20.  The Genos goes thru the whole process, reading 4 or 5 stages of updating. After a failed attempt.. I decided to hold down two buttons  SYNC START and START/START.  This did result in installing version 1.30..

Don't understand,  are my senior moments getting so bad, I don't realize I'm having them?  ANYWAY the situation is resolved..

Thanx.

[EileenL]

It is the Stop/Start button you have to hold down. Then the boot up programme will show and then ask you to press Stop/Start again to start the loading. When finished you must turn of the Keyboard and then turn back on.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Do not worry Mark.
I am looking forward to the 5th Dimension!! since Hell has frozen over in the USA.

All the best
John

[Murat]

Individual control for MULTI PAD CONTROL - an update is required to do the following (had the same issue with Korg pa3x initially and an update solved this issue)

It should be possible to switch on/off any button individually. For example, if I am playing back Pad 1 then I should be able to simply press Pad 1 button to turn it off.

Let's say I am playing a song with a style; then add Pad1, the add Pad2, then I would like to stop Pad 1 and start Pad3 so Pad 2 and Pad3 plays back simultaneously. Currently, the only way to stop a Pad or Pads is by selecting the STOP button, That's handy if I want to stop all Pads but it is difficult if I want to simply change the Pads I am playing.

So an update to make this possible would be great.

[Lee Batchelor]

Individual control for MULTI PAD CONTROL - an update is required to do the following (had the same issue with Korg pa3x initially and an update solved this issue) It should be possible to switch on/off any button individually. For example, if I am playing back Pad 1 then I should be able to simply press Pad 1 button to turn it off. Let's say I am playing a song with a style; then add Pad1, the add Pad2, then I would like to stop Pad 1 and start Pad3 so Pad 2 and Pad3 plays back simultaneously. Currently, the only way to stop a Pad or Pads is by selecting the STOP button, That's handy if I want to stop all Pads but it is difficult if I want to simply change the Pads I am playing. So an update to make this possible would be great.

Completely agreed. The current method totally sucks! It may be fine for playing at home, but on a gig...
Perhaps Yamaha should start asking gigging musicians what needs to be put on the Genos generation. It's all right to only consider the home player but we gigging guys need better control. Home players can easily use a gigging machine but not the other way around.

[Murat]

I am a home player, it is frustrating, the lack of controllability of the Pad buttons that is. Whether or not you play in gigs this is a must have, I think.

[Bachus]

Individual control for MULTI PAD CONTROL - an update is required to do the following (had the same issue with Korg pa3x initially and an update solved this issue)

It should be possible to switch on/off any button individually. For example, if I am playing back Pad 1 then I should be able to simply press Pad 1 button to turn it off.

Let's say I am playing a song with a style; then add Pad1, the add Pad2, then I would like to stop Pad 1 and start Pad3 so Pad 2 and Pad3 plays back simultaneously. Currently, the only way to stop a Pad or Pads is by selecting the STOP button, That's handy if I want to stop all Pads but it is difficult if I want to simply change the Pads I am playing.

So an update to make this possible would be great.

You know you can stop each multipad individually, by pressing stop and the button(s) simultanously?

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Would be nice just to press the pad again for off and again for on.
You can always set them all to on and silence each channel you do not want them on and save registration.

All the best
john

[Lee Batchelor]

I am a home player, it is frustrating, the lack of controllability of the Pad buttons that is. Whether or not you play in gigs this is a must have, I think.

Good to know. Murat. Thanks for the comment .

[Lee Batchelor]

You know you can stop each multipad individually, by pressing stop and the button(s) simultaneously?

Yes, I know that Bachus. It's still too cumbersome when trying to maintain two hands on the music portion of the show. Why can't we have a simple On/Off push button for each multipad? No, the developers had to make it complicated. They forget the purpose of the Genos - to make music, not to see how proficient (or not) the player is at using a computer.

As I've said in dozens of forums and I will maintain this opinion until I'm gone from the planet. Developers and engineers are very smart people. What they lack is a knowledge of human factors. That is, what makes a device easy to use? Just like doctors who know a lot about the human body, drugs, and diseases. What they lack is a basic understanding of nutrition. See the parody here?

[Bachus]

Yes, I know that Bachus. It's still too cumbersome when trying to maintain two hands on the music portion of the show. Why can't we have a simple On/Off push button for each multipad? No, the developers had to make it complicated. They forget the purpose of the Genos - to make music, not to see how proficient (or not) the player is at using a computer.

As I've said in dozens of forums and I will maintain this opinion until I'm gone from the planet. Developers and engineers are very smart people. What they lack is a knowledge of human factors. That is, what makes a device easy to use? Just like doctors who know a lot about the human body, drugs, and diseases. What they lack is a basic understanding of nutrition. See the parody here?

The problem is that yamaha treats audio and midi multipads the same way..  for audio multipads, its a good thing that pushing twice retriggers the audio..

If they want to make it right, they should finally start treating midi and audiopads differently..why can't i assigne dsp effects to multi pads? , the guitar ones are almost begging for that..

[Lee Batchelor]

Good points, Bachus. The BIG question is, how do we convince Yamaha to use more of the suggestions on this site? I know they are very good to monitor this site in background and implement some of our ideas, but it would be nice if they would appoint one staff member from the development team to join the forum and just talk to us. Perhaps I'm living in a dream world, but I made good money in my own business for 25 years. One weapon I had at my disposal: I listened to my customers and employees. I didn't claim to have all the answers. By default, they did! Yamaha is no different. They're just on a much larger scale than I was.

[Toril S]

I chime in and say amen to the pad suggestions, only I want this on PSRs too!

[Murat]

As I said Korg pa3x had the same issue but it was solved after an update, hence my comment / suggestion. It should be possible to simply press a Pad button to turn it on and off. If you are a competent player you will know that it is not possible or even advisable to just press the stop button and press the PADs you want simultaneously. For example, if you are playing with PAD1 and PAD3 on and you want to stop PAD1 and turn on PAD4 and turn on PAD2 leaving PAD3 playing, without having a break though. The only way is to be able to turn on/off PADs 'individually' unless you are at a level of playing songs like "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" 

[Murat]

One more thing about the PADs. It should remember the chord played after the style has been stopped. For example, you might be playing a song with a particular style and a PAD; then you might want to stop the style and then start the PAD to play something alongside the PAD playing in the background BUT as soon as you stop the style the PAD reverts back to a major chord (never checked what it is - probably C Major) making it impossible to play along it. I am aware you can apply a chord on the left hand side to initiate a chord however the PAD should remember the last chord played. So, one more thing for the next update.

[EileenL]

We have not had this on previous keyboards and no one has ever complained so I can't see this. You always need to play a left hand chord for a Multi Pad to follow. Surely that is easy enough to do with out asking for updates that are not necessary.

[Murat]

Why should it be the same as a previous keyboard? One might think this is not necassary and one might think it is; all depends on the way you play. I think my comment was not read properly.

[whataguy]

Of all the complaints about this or that on the Genos when is someone going to post a comment on how great it is that we have this or that to choose from on the Genos. Personally I am approaching utilizing approximately 10-11% of what is available to me. Back in the day when I used to sell Yamaha pianos and organs (D-80 still has to be the best ever) my boss was a woman that would always say "you'd complain if you were being hung with a brand new rope". Face it folks, we've got the best at our fingertips and if that ain't good enough maybe you should play a zither. Don in MI 

[Murat]

We must aim for progress and aim for better. If we didn't, we would all be playing the zither now. 

[Wim NL]

We have not had this on previous keyboards and no one has ever complained so I can't see this. You always need to play a left hand chord for a Multi Pad to follow. Surely that is easy enough to do with out asking for updates that are not necessary.

With the Tyros the styles and i suppose also the Multi pad are follow by the chords from the step record midi song.

Now it does not any more.

[Bachus]

Of all the complaints about this or that on the Genos when is someone going to post a comment on how great it is that we have this or that to choose from on the Genos. Personally I am approaching utilizing approximately 10-11% of what is available to me. Back in the day when I used to sell Yamaha pianos and organs (D-80 still has to be the best ever) my boss was a woman that would always say "you'd complain if you were being hung with a brand new rope". Face it folks, we've got the best at our fingertips and if that ain't good enough maybe you should play a zither. Don in MI 

Since there is no better arranger keyboard on the planet, does not mean its perfect... however, if you look ar arranger progress in the last 30 years, its safe to assume, 99% of the complaints are minor things...   

The fact that human nature dictates most of us allways want more and better however seems the reason for our Western society progressing slowly but constantly... sadly in the end, i think this will also be the end of the world as we know it..

I think its possible to discuss these things, and still enjoy every minute with the Genos.
As soon as you can accept the fact that there will never be huge changes to Genos..
Everything after that is a win..


Personally, i been in the middle of things..
Modx having all the major features i miss in the Genos..
And Genos having all the features incan not live witouth when just playing the modx..
So i ended up with both of them..

Jumping between brands has learned me a few things anout Yamaha
- yamaha instruments have the least bugs of all arrangers..
- yamaha support when having real problems is top knotch..
- yamaha sounds are more natural then the competition
- yamaha's community, is much more helpfull then other brands..
- yamaha's are easier to operate then the competition..

But also:
- yamaha never produce an all-in-one instrument because people like me buy two now..
- yamaha does what it thinks is important, and not what we think is important..

So discuss these wishes, but allready realise what you allready have...

I could post another long list of things Yamaha sh(c)ould add to Genos..
But thats been discussed before, and discussing again leads nowhere..But i still support my long list..
The reason behind this is the fact that for many people criticisme on the Genos somehow feels as a personal attack. Well, i have been there and its not worth it.

So, now i have typed so long, i forgot what point i was making in the first place...
So i leave it at this..

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Has anyone contacted Yamaha about when or if any more updates will be released??
all the best
john