How to convert a Megavoice track to a normal or GM track?

[rodrigo.b]

Is posible with the keyboard or I need additional software? Please help me

[Joe H]

The best suggestion I can make is to use Style Creator Assembly on the keyboard to change the Mega Voice part to a normal Voice part. That's how we can copy a style part from another style to the current style you are editing.

FYI... There is only ONE (1) track in the styles.  All 16 MIDI channels can be used... but what we have access to on our keyboards is only 8 channels.

Drums - channel 9 and 10
Bass - channel 11
Chord - channel 12
Chord 2 - channel 13
Pad - channel 14
Phrase 1 - channel 15
Phrase 2 - channel 16

Channels 1 - 8 are used for alternate (variation) loops for the 8 parts mentioned above. These can only be accessed with software such as StyleMagic.  http://www.midisoft.pl/en/

Joe H

[rodrigo.b]

The best suggestion I can make is to use Style Creator Assembly on the keyboard to change the Mega Voice part to a normal Voice part. That's how we can copy a style part from another style to the current style you are editing.

FYI... There is only ONE (1) track in the styles.  All 16 MIDI channels can be used... but what we have access to on our keyboards is only 8 channels.

Drums - channel 9 and 10
Bass - channel 11
Chord - channel 12
Chord 2 - channel 13
Pad - channel 14
Phrase 1 - channel 15
Phrase 2 - channel 16

Channels 1 - 8 are used for alternate (variation) loops for the 8 parts mentioned above. These can only be accessed with software such as StyleMagic.  http://www.midisoft.pl/en/

Joe H

Thank you! I want to convert the megavoices brass tracks from my PSR S970 Latin styles to a normal tracks because i want to use the tracks on a Latin Brass VST on my Pc.

[pjd]

Hi Rodrigo --

You might want to try to Jørgen Sørensen's tools including his MIDI Mega Voice Cleaner:

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/software.htm
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/nomegainmidi/index.htm

Believe it or not, the Revo Drum Cleaner could be useful, too. It has the ability to remap MIDI notes -- something that you may need to do in order to silence Mega Voice FX notes.

The two major issues are: 1. Eliminating (silencing) or remapping the FX notes (C6 and above) and 2. Remapping the note velocities. Note velicities select different waveform samples including articulations which probably aren't supported by the target VST.

I'll say one thing, after converting a track or two, you will be an expert on Mega Voices.

All the best -- pj

P.S. I usually do this kind of work in a DAW.

[rodrigo.b]

Hi Rodrigo --

You might want to try to Jørgen Sørensen's tools including his MIDI Mega Voice Cleaner:

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/software.htm
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/nomegainmidi/index.htm

Believe it or not, the Revo Drum Cleaner could be useful, too. It has the ability to remap MIDI notes -- something that you may need to do in order to silence Mega Voice FX notes.

The two major issues are: 1. Eliminating (silencing) or remapping the FX notes (C6 and above) and 2. Remapping the note velocities. Note velicities select different waveform samples including articulations which probably aren't supported by the target VST.

I'll say one thing, after converting a track or two, you will be an expert on Mega Voices.

All the best -- pj

P.S. I usually do this kind of work in a DAW.

Thank you, how to do the second thing? 

[pjd]

Jørgen? Does Mega Voice Cleaner remap velocities?

Thanks -- pj

[Jørgen]

Jørgen? Does Mega Voice Cleaner remap velocities?

Thanks -- pj

Hi

Some do lower the velocity by a factor.
This depends on how "massive" the substituted voice sounds... quite subjective... factor values range from 0.5F to 0.85F - java speaking...
In the later years - with the many new mega voices in latest models - it has not been possible for me to do a audio test, and I have not changed the velocity... used 1.0F java speaking...

Jørgen

[pjd]

Hi Rodrigo --

Sorry for being so slow to reply. It's been busy.

One way to map velocities is to use a DAW. Sonar has a way to select notes by velocity range.

In the example, track 12 uses the Mega Voice Single Coil Guitar. The first three velocity ranges are: 1-20 Open soft, 21-40 Open medium, 41-60 Open hard. The first image (attached) shows the Sonar dialog box for filtering selected notes in the velocity range 41-60. The second image shows the result.

Once the notes are selected, Sonar has a tool to scale or otherwise modify the velocities of selected notes.

Hope this is enough to get you started!

-- pj




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[pjd]

I forgot to mention...

Of course, it depends on how much of the original Mega Voice and its track that you want to re-use. For example, if you don't care about the FX noises (C6 and above), then they can be deleted.

Another example. In the case of Mega Voice Single Coil Guitar, the open string sounds are triggered by velocities in the range 1 to 60. If only open string sounds are required, then one possible approach is to delete any note with velocity 61 to 127 and simply scale the remaining notes to cover the full MIDI velocity range 1 to 127. Purists may blanch at this idea (!), but it is fast and I've used the technique a few times. The ear is sometimes easily fooled...   

To re-use dead, mute and hammer on sounds, notes in the appropriate range must be selected/filtered and copied to a track of their own, assuming that a dead, mute or hammer on VST sample is assigned to the corresponding individual tracks. The actual VST instrument may allow articulations within a single MIDI channel with its own mapping.

Accuracy and precision come at a cost in human effort.    Re-using a Mega Voice track is pretty labor-intensive.

All the best -- pj

[pjd]

Michael B's Mixmaster has some tools for editing notes, including velocities: Note View and List View.

I haven't found a way to select notes in a particular velocity range with MixMaster, but I'm not very expert in it. I attached two more screenshots taken from Mixmaster.

-- pj


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[Jørgen]

Hi

My Style Revoicer software at http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/revsty/index.htm can be used for revoicing, changing MIDI parameter values, transposing, volume change etc. of style files.

Jørgen

[rodrigo.b]

Hi Rodrigo --

Sorry for being so slow to reply. It's been busy.

One way to map velocities is to use a DAW. Sonar has a way to select notes by velocity range.

In the example, track 12 uses the Mega Voice Single Coil Guitar. The first three velocity ranges are: 1-20 Open soft, 21-40 Open medium, 41-60 Open hard. The first image (attached) shows the Sonar dialog box for filtering selected notes in the velocity range 41-60. The second image shows the result.
Once the notes are selected, Sonar has a tool to scale or otherwise modify the velocities of selected notes.

Hope this is enough to get you started!

-- pj

Thank you,Where is that tool? I Can't find a tool for scale the velocity of the notes

[Joe H]

Thank you,Where is that tool? I Can't find a tool for scale the velocity of the notes

Buy a copy of StyleMagic... you can do that in 5 seconds.

Joe H

[pjd]

Thank you,Where is that tool? I Can't find a tool for scale the velocity of the notes

Hi --

Do you mean "I can't find the tool in Sonar?" Or you can't find Sonar? Sonar is free and is now known as "Cakewalk By Bandlab".

Almost any DAW that supports MIDI editing should have a way to scale MIDI note velocity.

All the best -- pj