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The Honest Truth about PSR-S975?

Started by hans1966, September 05, 2018, 11:17:25 PM

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hans1966

Hello friends, after having had S970 and for reasons of necessity I had to sell it. Then I bought the S770. this meant a big change for me. for which I had been thinking about selling my S770 and buying the S975, but after watching the next video, I am considering whether it is worth returning to the S970, or whether it is better to wait for the next PSR XXX series. According to the conclusions of this man, it is not worth the change from S970 to S975.      greetings   Hans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSKknYButg
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SeaGtGruff

Since you no longer have a PSR-S970, but "only" a PSR-S770, the real question you should be asking yourself is not whether the PSR-S975 is a big enough improvement over the PSR-S970 that you'd feel satisfied with upgrading, but rather whether the PSR-S975 is a big enough improvement over the PSR-S770. If you'd rather wait for the next model, you'll most likely need to wait a couple of years at least.

Robert van Weersch

I agree with Michael. The main differences between the S770/775 and S970/975 are Vocal Harmony and Audio Styles. The lesser differencere are more voices, styles and somewhat better speakers. But styles can be added and onboard speakers are only relevant if you use them.
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Korg Liverpool (microArranger)

DerekA

Moving from S770 to S975 is going to feel pretty much the same as moving from S770 to S970. Only you know what the 'big change' was and how important.
Genos

motekmusic

Hello,

I took the change from the 970 to the 975 .
Some styles and the percussion were reworked as well as the OTS voices.
The only problem am having is getting balance between the style and the voices.. Have to lower the style volume in many cases.
Did not need to wait for the baby brother,, would be a long time as was going to get the Genos.
I got the s975 last June and just 2 days ago got the Genos. (on order since May)
Do not regret the s975 upgrade,, sounds  deeper and fuller than the 970 .
With both the s975 and the Genos will not need to upgrade any time soon..

am sorry that the s975 did not work out for some folks.   I can understand why some will want to wait for the next one .

cheers
elaine
\\\"I have suffered for my music, now it\\\'s your turn\\\"   Neil Innes

Joe H

I suspect the reason Yamaha released the S975 is there will be a BIG change coming for the next PSR Sxxx keyboard, and maybe it will a new model with a new name.

I'm talking about a change similar to going from the Tyros to the Genos.

The S975 required some hardware and firmware changes to give the keyboard features that should have been in the  S970.

Going from the S970 to the S975 is not so exciting, but it is like a "carrot-on-a-stick" kind of thing.

I think I'll wait for the S975 replacement!

;)

Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

My Article: Using Multi Pads in registrations. Download Regs, Styles & MPs:  http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html

hans1966

Many thanks to Michael, Robert, DereckA, Elaine and Joe, for giving me feedback regarding my question about changing from the S770 to the S975. I'm just recovering financially. so I'll wait for the new PSR SXXX model or whatever. Meanwhile I will continue enjoying my S770, which is also an excellent arranger. greetings    Hans
"Enjoying my SX600, and moving step by step through the journey of life"

beykock

Most S970 owners are hoping / expecting the S975 successor will have some Genos features, I guess.

Will it come with a touch screen and/or the Genos drums ?
61 keys or 61 and 76 keys ?
When will it be released ? ( 2020 ? ).
What about the price ?

For the time being only Yamaha's Marketing Division knows the answer, IMHO.

Time will tell.

Babette

Toril S

My PSR 2100 have lasted 15 years, my S970 is in repair after only 10 months. What's up? I am considering a backup keyboard, but as a hobby player with just an accasional gig I really can't justify it...
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLVwWdb36Yd3LMBjAnm6pTQ?view_as=subscriber



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Joe H

Quote from: Joe H on September 06, 2018, 10:31:17 AM
... The S975 required some hardware and firmware changes to give the keyboard features that should have been in the  S970...

Some of the new features required a new (modified) architecture to allow the LIVE CONTROL settings to be saved in registrations. That means a modified OS and not just a firmware fix.  That was a big deal. 

Also I suspect adding more expansion memory required either new memory chips or modification of the daughter board where the memory resides.

I'm sure all this was an (important) incremental step to developing the next generation mid-priced arranger that will replace the S975... whatever that will be. Remember there was a delay with the release of the Genos.  We might see the same for the next arranger release as well.

Joe H
Music is the Universal Language!

My Article: Using Multi Pads in registrations. Download Regs, Styles & MPs:  http://psrtutorial.com/music/articles/dancemusic.html

hans1966

Michael's quote:
"If you'd rather wait for the next model, you'll most likely need to wait a couple of years at least."

According to this, the replacement of the S975 can arrive in 2020 or 2021

Quote from Joe H.
"Remember there was a delay with the release of the Genos.  We might see the same for the next arranger release as well."


Yes, I remember it perfectly. according to all the above, this is the opportune time to move from the S770 to the S975, so in itself, it is a great improvement. thank you all for helping me clarify my ideas.    greetings    Hans
"Enjoying my SX600, and moving step by step through the journey of life"

J. Larry

At my age, I can't afford to wait years on the next model.  Got the S975 and very pleased.  Never look back or yearn for the previous model.  In my view, the S975 is the baby Genos.  Why would Yamaha replace the S975 with another PSR model so soon after its recent release?  Surely, some informed members of this forum have the data on the approximate time frame for the release of each new model. 

SeaGtGruff

Quote from: J. Larry on September 06, 2018, 09:25:59 PMSurely, some informed members of this forum have the data on the approximate time frame for the release of each new model.

I don't remember how frequently the PSR-S models have been coming out, but when the PSR-S975 and PSR-S775 were released I compared the dates against the previous releases and they were right about on schedule, or possibly about half a year earlier than expected.

panos

Release dates

PSR-S

    PSR-S500 (18 July 2006)
    PSR-S550 / PSR-S550B (11 April 2008)
    PSR-S650 (13 September 2010)
    PSR-S700 (2007)
    PSR-S710 (2009, export model)
    PSR-S900 (2007)
    PSR-S910 (2009, export model)
    PSR-S750 (2012)
    PSR-S950 (2012)
    PSR-S670 (2015)
    PSR-S770 (2015)
    PSR-S970 (2015)
    PSR-S775 (2018)
    PSR-S975 (2018)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Yamaha_products

Tyros series

    Tyros (1 May 2002)
    Tyros 2 (21 June 2005)
    Tyros 3 (17 April 2008)
    Tyros 4 (16 June 2010)
    Tyros 5 (13 July 2013)
    Genos (31 August 2017)

motekmusic

Hello Panos.

As to the release dates.

When i lived in Denmark,, those machines were available right around those dates.

Now i live in Israel and there is a 6 month lag or more to get a machine.
Although the Genos was released in fall 2018, the music dealers here got shipments of 4 pieces each starting in Jan.
The machine was listed in May on their website.  I ordered my machine in May and just got it 3 days ago ,, that is almost 10
months behind everyone else.    I was number 10 on the waiting list.

So i got the s975  because did not want to wait 4 years to upgrade... not a spring chicken.
It is enough upgrade for me and a CURRENT model   JUST in case in 4 years i can trade it in.
However, because now have the Genos i don't think will upgrade the s975.   I use it for gigs outside, The Genos stays in
and there are scads of new genos converted styles on this forum that suit the s975.

thanks for information  8)

cheers
elaine

\\\"I have suffered for my music, now it\\\'s your turn\\\"   Neil Innes

travlin-easy

Panos, when I first began playing and using Yamaha arranger keyboards, my first keyboard was a PSR-500. I loved it!

The following year I purchased a PSR-5700 and used the combination of the two for nearly a decade.

Great information,

Gary  8)
Love Those Yammies...

josf.kumar

I felt Yamaha is delayed in the race of arrangers while its close competitor korg is dashing ahead with yet again two boards with touch screen with better sampled sounds, better country specific packs. Besides, with low upgrade features from 970 to 975 Yamaha leaves us in yet another disappointment. Today, yammy's are thinking whether to upgrade to 975 or to remain with 970. Three years of research discovered a board much similar to its predecessor with less updates. Is Yamaha spending less on its research. Instead in my opinion, Yamaha should experiment on redesigning slim boards with touch screen and that too without speakers to shed the weight as we have 2.1 speakers everywhere available to complement the home need of the arranger players. This would reduce the cost of the board even. Besides, Yamaha should think of a game changer design for psr series as they thought for Tyros and discovered Genos. Instead of releasing 775 and 975, they should have released two 975 boards; one with aftertouch and the other with no aftertouch to cut on the price. The need of the hour is out of box thinking to complement the needs of the musicians who are slipping out of the Yamaha's pocket. I even found that voices in the Yamaha boards are never resampled very specially that of Indian. They are just the same as we found in S950. This is just my opinion to draw attention of Yamaha.
Music is sublime !

Dnj

Quote from: josf.kumar on September 14, 2018, 02:03:31 AM
I felt Yamaha is delayed in the race of arrangers while its close competitor korg is dashing ahead with yet again two boards with touch screen with better sampled sounds, better country specific packs. Besides, with low upgrade features from 970 to 975 Yamaha leaves us in yet another disappointment. Today, yammy's are thinking whether to upgrade to 975 or to remain with 970. Three years of research discovered a board much similar to its predecessor with less updates. Is Yamaha spending less on its research. Instead in my opinion, Yamaha should experiment on redesigning slim boards with touch screen and that too without speakers to shed the weight as we have 2.1 speakers everywhere available to complement the home need of the arranger players. This would reduce the cost of the board even. Besides, Yamaha should think of a game changer design for psr series as they thought for Tyros and discovered Genos. Instead of releasing 775 and 975, they should have released two 975 boards; one with aftertouch and the other with no aftertouch to cut on the price. The need of the hour is out of box thinking to complement the needs of the musicians who are slipping out of the Yamaha's pocket. I even found that voices in the Yamaha boards are never resampled very specially that of Indian. They are just the same as we found in S950. This is just my opinion to draw attention of Yamaha.

josf they always have to be able to sell off old parts somehow without losing money its all about business.

josf.kumar

[josf they always have to be able to sell off old parts somehow without losing money its all about business.]

The above statement hints me at something what i wanted Yamaha to do for all the musicians. I mean once they sell off their stocks they would focus on the new ones to launch. If this is to be true, we can expect a major change in the upcoming line of PSR series including the very name like we observed in the case of Tyros becoming Genos. So the prospective arranger is a phoenix out of PSR series. May that Yamaha fulfill our wishes!
Music is sublime !

mikf

I think there is a belief that there is a fixed number of arranger owners and that most sales of new arrangers are upgrades. I am sure this is not the case, and that most current buyers do not already own the previous model, or care how much new stuff is in what they are buying compared to the previous model. They are either first time buyers or are changing from a much older or completely different instrument. They are just buying what is currently available.
Mike

alanclare

Quote from: mikf on September 15, 2018, 04:09:46 AM
They are just buying what is currently available.
Mike
That was certainly true in my case.

Alan

Ingar

Quote from: hans1966 on September 05, 2018, 11:17:25 PM
Hello friends, after having had S970 and for reasons of necessity I had to sell it. Then I bought the S770. this meant a big change for me. for which I had been thinking about selling my S770 and buying the S975, but after watching the next video, I am considering whether it is worth returning to the S970, or whether it is better to wait for the next PSR XXX series. According to the conclusions of this man, it is not worth the change from S970 to S975.      greetings   Hans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNSKknYButg
In my case, all psr modells are out for the moment because of boomy sound from the in build speakers that is impossible to tweak, and of course the typical nosy keybed.

Amwilburn

Well, not sure if you knew, but the s970 and the s975 share the same chipset (likewise the s770/s775) with the differences being 512, 768, 160, and 280mb respectively of flash ram *plus* the 975/775 have the same plus pack (essentially adding the samples and sounds from 4 of the expansion packs).

So, if you already had those 4 packs (and not much more, up to the 509mb limit)? There would be not much difference except the colour.

All the built in (other than the plus pack) sounds and styles are identical. I almost upgraded to the s975 just to get the extra sample ram, but I really like the original semi gloss gunmetal grey metallic finish on the s970.

Toril S

Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLVwWdb36Yd3LMBjAnm6pTQ?view_as=subscriber



Toril's PSR Performer Page

avalon2k41

I played around with the 775 and 975 and really did not notice too many differences. This keyboard was more of a minor change. I think Yamaha is waiting until 2020 or 2021 to release something that is more different. We are toward the end of a decade cycle and I think that might also be the reason why they are waiting for a major upgrade with the PSR series keyboards. Music and technology needs to have time to change and since we are at the end of everything this decade we are at that point where we do not know what will happen next for music genres, or technology. I have also read many reviews of what others have said and they are basically saying the same thing...it was just a minor update. Long story short...If you already have the PSR S-770, I would just wait.

Pino

As a gigging musician I would pick an S950 over the S970/975
Simply because now we have a bigger screen but much less info on the screen and the print/font is so small, now Yamaha has introduced a 2nd menu button so as before it was a one click to get to a page, now it's 2 clicks and the information on the page is so small, eg, harmony page.

The sounds are identical on the 3 keyboards, I have the 950 and the 975 side by side in my studio.

I'm only using 25 voices and 20 styles, all tuned to my liking and stored in the User Drive, and that's for a 3 hour Gig, I need 3 pianos, 3 guitars, 3 sax, etc. All bread and butter stuff so the packs are of no interest to me,
Many of the styles I use are the same Preset styles but I have made Song specific intros to these styles,

If your into EDM or need ethnic voices then maybe, but for MOR stuff, anyone thinking of upgrading would be much better off with a second hand S950 and a copy of StyleMagic, that will take you much further,

Pino

hans1966

Hello Pino, the S970 / S975 have more sounds and styles than the S950. also in the VH2 of S970 / S975 there is a function of correction of tone, that there is not it in the S950. I have the S770, and although it does not have the VH2 function, nor audio styles, it has reverb and Eq functions, and compression that does not come with the S950. on the other hand as far as possible I will update the S975, since it brings orchestral sounds and some synthetic textures that are not in the S770 / S775, nor in the S950.  Greetings.  Hans
"Enjoying my SX600, and moving step by step through the journey of life"

J. Larry

If the next PSR upgrade is 2 to 3 years away at best, what's going on in the meantime at Yamaha?  What are the arranger technicians and programmers doing, now, on a daily basis?  Does it take that long to release an "upgrade" model, which many say (each time a new model appears) are only small, incremental changes?  Maybe their time is taken with other projects and only hunker down once it appears that a new model is needed, or the competition is closing in.

Scott Langholff

Hi Hans

Since you had the 970 and now have the 770 could you tell me what you think as far as how they compare.  What does the 970 have that the 770 doesn't have that makes a big difference for you and why.  Also, do you play through external speakers, and if so do the same voices/styles sound the identical or is there a difference.  Any other pertinent info would be appreciated.

Thanks

Scott

hans1966

Hello Scott, thanks for your interest. The truth is that S970 and S770 are excellent keyboards. I have the S770 due to a small financial crisis that forced me to sell my previous S970. the S770 and S970 share part sounds and preset styles (not all) the S970, has string sounds inherited from the Tyros 5 (RealString, BallRomStrings, TheaterStrings, BalladSting, LushStrings, to mention a few) the same happens in the brass section, which comes with different nuances and dynamics of French Horn. in the Electric and Acoustic Bass section there are super articulation sounds! that make the effect of glissando of the instrument. in the chorus and pad section, there are sounds and textures (BoysChoirOoh, BoysChoirAah, BoysChoirOhAh, Randomizer, The Fog, Spectralis, Metallic Rain, Ambient Theme, Spectrum Pad, and more) there are also the audio styles, the vocal harmonizer VH2, and the DSP effects also inherited from the Tyros 5. these voices and effects are not in the S770, and are very important when creating a serious musical arrangement (Classic, Epic or Environmental, Alternative). In any case, the S770 is a very good keyboard with what it already has. in fact I have already created several musical arrangements on the S770, for several friends who sing, and have congratulated me on the excellent sound quality. if at this moment I had the economic solvency, I would go for the Genos, just for the fact of having all the whistles and flutes of the flagship. But I already said it in a previous post. I will enjoy my S770, until I have enough money to move to the top model (S975, Sxx, Genos light, or whatever ...) at the moment I have a lot of fun aboard the S770. The other thing is your question with regard to the reproduction of a similar sound (especially strings, brass and bass) in S970 / S770 through the speakers. my perception is that you hear more resonance and body in the S970. this is due to the four speakers (two of 13 cm and two domes of 2.5 cm) that offers brightness and very pleasant means, with deep basses. In the S770, the perception of sound is rather moderate, but pleasant. I hope this helps clear some doubts about both keyboard models. Greetings. Hans
"Enjoying my SX600, and moving step by step through the journey of life"