what are the advantages to adding tc helicpn over using built in vh?

[ekurburski]

What would the advantages be to getting the tc harmonizer over using the built in vocal harmonizer on my psr 3000?

[Al Ram]

Good day. 

I know you are looking for the advantages . . . . i can tell you one disadvantage.

I purchased the external TC harmony a long time ago.   I decided not to keep it because it was one more piece to carry around when gigging.    I decided to stay with the keyboard built-in VH.

thanks

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Good day. 

I know you are looking for the advantages . . . . i can tell you one disadvantage.

I purchased the external TC harmony a long time ago.   I decided not to keep it because it was one more piece to carry around when gigging.    I decided to stay with the keyboard built-in VH.

thanks

I agree 100 %.  Am not familiar with the internal vocal harmonizer mentioned here, but as to the one in Genos surprisingly  it is slightly better than any dedicated unit I have tried and they include the top models.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[travlin-easy]

Earl, sorry I didn't see this when you first posted it, but in reality, there is no advantage. And, you cannot use both devices at the same time. They will sound terrible as they tend to conflict with each other. It just takes a lot of tuning to get the VH to sound acceptible, plus a lot of vocal control on the part of the singer.

Good luck,

Gary 

[DonM]

Advantages include automatic e.q. that the T.C. Helicon does so well.  It analyses your voice and adds appropriate processing.  It can be overridden though, if you like.
And it is easier to set up and adjust than the built in one Yamaha uses.
It also follows your voice a little better in case you should you turn your head slightly.
Disadvantage is that is another piece of gear to deal with.

[DrakeM]

Hi Earl

From what I heard and seen on YouTube videos regarding the  T.C. Helicon, it sounds great just out of the box it seems. So, if you like what setups that come with the  T.C. Helicon you'll like it.

The advantages of using the built in VH with the PSR3000 you can set up unlimited VH backings as Registrations. I currently have 20 different setups. It is easy to call up a Registration from your keyboard as you know and the buttons to turn the back up singer/singers on and off during your performance of the song is right there at your finger tips.

Also I have needed 3 different settings in order to do a song. One simple example is this one called JACKSON.

https://app.box.com/s/bj7lhtm3t5l2zuaboiyfn4pmzeqv4lku

I use 3 buttons to pull this song off. One button is set for singing the Johnny Cash part, a second is set up June's part and the third for when they sing together. I don't believe you can do this sort of thing "live" with the T.C. Helicon.

Here is another example for the song Cotton Eyed Joe, which requires 3 settings to do the song:

https://app.box.com/s/a9n8z9ini9z0dpaz3y3mwrlag6yjeilw

If you are thinking to upgrading your Yamaha keyboard, remember that beginning with the PSR-S950 and T5, Yamaha has included the newer VH2 in these keyboards.

Regards
Drake

[DonM]

"I don't believe you can do this sort of thing "live" with the T.C. Helicon. "
You can actually.  And you can easily switch between them with a foot switch or by hand. 
The aging, inexpensive Harmony M I use with my Roland EA7, will let you set up 3 scenes, each with 2 options, so a total of six.
It also has a feature that will automatically analyse your voice and set the parameters such as compression, e.q., etc to optimum.  It really works!
And, you have knobs right in front of you to adjust levels, reverb and echo if needed.
I briefly had a newer, larger Helicon, and it would do much more, but it was more than I needed. I actually prefer the simplicity of the old "M".
I did use this some with the PSR, but can also use the internal one if I carefully set it up.  With my Korg, I don't have to worry about it because it has an internal T.C. Helicon that I LOVE.
Also have a Ketron SD40 module and the internal harmonizer in it is quite good as well.  I like that it will stay on when the style is not running.