Style Creator Problem (Video taken from MIXING Console )

Normanfernandez · August 02, 2018, 07:51:22 AM

How does a style have Automatic Harmonic Content And Brightness + and -

Can it be Done on Style Creator?
Link Will Show you what I'm talking about
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AeHH3Ou6Qnk4kG3U23Us6xAkgFL34qhw/view?usp=sharing

panos · August 02, 2018, 10:00:25 AM

Go to style creator and press rec for the channel you want to add those +- effects.
Lets say you want add this effect to chord1 of Main A.
So choose rec for chord 1 and let the style play.
While the style is playing, call the mixing concole, choose chord 1 effect(e.g brightness) and use the big wheel right side of your screen to to add +- effects for chord1.

Remember that for adding from - to + effects the style must play.
You need to be accurate for adding the effect at the right time so do some tests first and start over again.

Normanfernandez · August 02, 2018, 10:44:20 AM

I did get it to work

But the Accuracy has to be Spot on

I Tried it on the Drum Kit
Thank you.

panos · August 02, 2018, 11:48:44 AM

For accuracy move the wheel accordingly to the tempo of the style.
E.g start from left to right and not from center to left and then to right.
If the tempo is too fast,fisrt slow down the tempo, add the effect and when you get it right,
reset the tempo to the original.

Normanfernandez · August 03, 2018, 02:56:26 AM

You have to delete the data of the original style before Recording
DELETE?

How do I select a Channel??

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panos · August 03, 2018, 12:10:24 PM

If you see this message on style creator it means that this channel/part is locked and cannot be edited.
You can apply voice changes and effects but you cannot delete/change/add notes in that part or use the +- effects.
You have to download for free the Style Unlocker program made by Jorgen which can unlock most of these parts of Yamaha's styles.

a)Save the style on the usb as a new style
b)Insert the usb into your pc
c)Open the style unlocker
d)Choose the style
e)Automatically the style unlocker unlocks the parts and now the same style on your usb is with the parts unlocked.
f)Insert the usb back into your keyboard
g)Go to style creator and add the +- brightness effects to the channel/part you want while the style is playing.

What is Style unlocker
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/stun/index.htm#1.6.6569.14909

Download it from here
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/software/software.htm#stun+

Normanfernandez · August 03, 2018, 12:28:16 PM

I'll test it out ASAP

Thank you!

Normanfernandez · August 29, 2018, 06:36:04 AM

Quote from: panos on August 02, 2018, 11:48:44 AM
For accuracy move the wheel accordingly to the tempo of the style.
E.g start from left to right and not from center to left and then to right.
If the tempo is too fast,fisrt slow down the tempo, add the effect and when you get it right,
reset the tempo to the original.

Any other methods?

WolfBack · August 29, 2018, 01:14:18 PM

Unfortunately, this is the only method. You must try several times for a descend result.
The other method is a PITS... You have to record a effect moving the slider (or the dial) and then edit the parameters values in program change in SYS/EX for you liking.
The values (if I'm right) begins with the 0 and ends with a 127.... and then the pain begins...
Let say you want to add a moving brightness effect at the start of style for 4 measures.
At 001:01:000 the Program Change value will be 0
At 005:04:1919 (or in the last note in 005:04) the value will be 127.
At 003:01:000 the value with be 64.
Take your time and add or edit the existing values due the time, step by step...
I know, I know...! I say to this a "NO WAY!", but the result will be perfect if you have the patience to do this.
And don't forget to add a program change with the value 0 right after the value 127 if you want to release the effect right after the end of the 4th measure...

Note: I recommend not to try all of this stuff on your onboard style creator. Better choose a software for your computer, like StyleMagic or an alternate program dedicated for this matter.

Normanfernandez · August 29, 2018, 01:16:45 PM

Quote from: WolfBack on August 29, 2018, 01:14:18 PM
Unfortunately, this is the only method. You must try several times for a descend result.
The other method is a PITS... You have to record a effect moving the slider (or the dial) and then edit the parameters values in program change in SYS/EX for you liking.
The values (if I'm right) begins with the 0 and ends with a 127.... and then the pain begins...
Let say you want to add a moving brightness effect at the start of style for 4 measures.
At 001:01:000 the Program Change value will be 0
At 005:04:1919 (or in the last note in 005:04) the value will be 127.
At 003:01:000 the value with be 64.
Take your time and add or edit the existing values due the time, step by step...
I know, I know...! I say to this a "NO WAY!", but the result will be perfect if you have the patience to do this.
And don't forget to add a program change with the value 0 right after the value 127 if you want to release the effect right after the end of the 4th measure...

Note: I recommend not to try all of this stuff on your onboard style creator. Better choose a software for your computer, like StyleMagic or an alternate program dedicated for this matter.

If I do it on the keyboard Style Creator will it damage the keyboard???

Normanfernandez · August 29, 2018, 01:25:37 PM

Quote from: WolfBack on August 29, 2018, 01:14:18 PM
Unfortunately, this is the only method. You must try several times for a descend result.
The other method is a PITS... You have to record a effect moving the slider (or the dial) and then edit the parameters values in program change in SYS/EX for you liking.
The values (if I'm right) begins with the 0 and ends with a 127.... and then the pain begins...
Let say you want to add a moving brightness effect at the start of style for 4 measures.
At 001:01:000 the Program Change value will be 0
At 005:04:1919 (or in the last note in 005:04) the value will be 127.
At 003:01:000 the value with be 64.
Take your time and add or edit the existing values due the time, step by step...
I know, I know...! I say to this a "NO WAY!", but the result will be perfect if you have the patience to do this.
And don't forget to add a program change with the value 0 right after the value 127 if you want to release the effect right after the end of the 4th measure...

Note: I recommend not to try all of this stuff on your onboard style creator. Better choose a software for your computer, like StyleMagic or an alternate program dedicated for this matter.

I will test it ASAP
Thank you so much!!

Joe H · August 29, 2018, 01:37:34 PM

Quote from: Normanfernandez on August 29, 2018, 06:36:04 AM
Any other methods?

Yes, but NOT on your keyboard. You can use StyleMagic Multieditor screen (piano roll) to insert these kinds of messages. Brightness, Resonance, Pan, etc, place the messages where you want them... and move them with the mouse if you need to.

Joe H

Normanfernandez · August 29, 2018, 01:39:03 PM

Quote from: Joe H on August 29, 2018, 01:37:34 PM
Yes, but NOT on your keyboard. You can use StyleMagic Multieditor screen (piano roll) to insert these kinds of messages. Brightness, Resonance, Pan, etc, place the messages where you want them... and move them with the mouse if you need to.

Joe H

How much is Style Magic?

Joe H · August 29, 2018, 06:42:15 PM

Prices for Thomas' software are here: http://www.midisoft.pl/en/#strona-dn

Joe H

Normanfernandez · August 30, 2018, 01:37:29 AM

Quote from: WolfBack on August 29, 2018, 01:14:18 PM
Unfortunately, this is the only method. You must try several times for a descend result.
The other method is a PITS... You have to record a effect moving the slider (or the dial) and then edit the parameters values in program change in SYS/EX for you liking.
The values (if I'm right) begins with the 0 and ends with a 127.... and then the pain begins...
Let say you want to add a moving brightness effect at the start of style for 4 measures.
At 001:01:000 the Program Change value will be 0
At 005:04:1919 (or in the last note in 005:04) the value will be 127.
At 003:01:000 the value with be 64.
Take your time and add or edit the existing values due the time, step by step...
I know, I know...! I say to this a "NO WAY!", but the result will be perfect if you have the patience to do this.
And don't forget to add a program change with the value 0 right after the value 127 if you want to release the effect right after the end of the 4th measure...

Note: I recommend not to try all of this stuff on your onboard style creator. Better choose a software for your computer, like StyleMagic or an alternate program dedicated for this matter.

How do i Add a Program change with the Value 0 it won't let me go below 1

WolfBack · August 30, 2018, 12:55:21 PM

Quote from: Normanfernandez on August 30, 2018, 01:37:29 AM
How do i Add a Program change with the Value 0 it won't let me go below 1

This occurs when the dedicated effect must be still active in style/midi file.
Leave the value at 1. In this case the effect is still in place and triggered, but you still hear a "dry" sound instead.
As Joe H says, believe me, the StyleMagic worth any cent you will pay for this.
Is a time saver software if you want to make quick and precise changes on the fly on you style or midi file, and many others besides that.
IMHO, I can't imagine if anyone's can survive on the onboard Style Creator without this piece of software.

Quote from: Normanfernandez on August 29, 2018, 01:16:45 PM
If I do it on the keyboard Style Creator will it damage the keyboard???

Absolutely, NO!
The only can be damaged is the style you work on.
In that case, you must take a back-up of your style before you make any change on SYS/EX.

Normanfernandez · August 30, 2018, 12:58:24 PM

I'll need to save cash to buy that Software

Joe H · August 30, 2018, 02:18:51 PM

Norman,

You can download a demo copy of StyleMagic and test it out to see if its right for you. The demo program is fully functional but any editing cannot be saved. The SAVE function is disabled.

Joe H

tyrosaurus · August 30, 2018, 03:04:48 PM

You can enter certain MIDI controller 'sweeps' in the latest version of the free 'MixMaster' for PC : https://psrtutorial.com/MB/mixMaster.html

Here is what page 26 of the MixMaster manual says about this ...

Insert Controller Sweeps
Continuous Up/down ramps of Pans, expression, modulation, volume, brightness, etc, are often encountered in modern music (e.g. dance).
ListView's/Process Events/ Insert Controller Sweep allows selecting creating these anywhere within a file with the slope and values entered by the user.

It seems to work but in my version there is a 'glitch' in the input box on the form where you enter the 'Final Value' for the controller. You can still use it, but it generates an error when you apply your settings. However when this happens, if you click on the box, it now contains some text, so just use your computer's Backspace/Delete keys to empty the box and then enter the value that you want. It should then work when you press 'OK' on the form.

If Etienne or Michael see this post then I'm sure that they will try to fix it, but I'll email them about it if they don't reply confirming that they are aware of the problem.

Regards

Ian