Enhancements I'd like to see in the next OS update

[Wouter1972]

Thank you for your reply Kaarlo. I think I understand what you mean. You may be right when looking at large groups of consumers. Personally, I've always considered myself the odd one out: when people are asked to look to their left, I often look to the right.

In short, I don't consider myself part of the consumersgroup that blindly follow fellow lemmings to the abyss. I appreciate your comment though

[Al Ram]

We, the stupid consumers/buyers are what makes it possible to treat us the way we are treated. And the manufacturers will continue to treat us disrespectfully as long as "anything goes".

Cheers

Kaarlo

Kaarlo

I admire that you always speak (actually write) candidly and honestly what your thoughts are.   Keep it coming. !!

I initially hesitated to respond to your comment (quote above) but could not pass on it and felt compelled to express my view. 

I recently purchased Genos.  Before, purchasing I researched quite a bit about Genos.   I did not buy it until my own research showed me that it was a good product to fit my personal needs.  I also considered other brand names such as Korg.   However, consciously decided to buy Genos.   It turned out to be a smart decision.

So, i do not consider myself in the "stupid consumers/buyers" group. At least not when it relates to Genos.  Maybe for other products i could be in that group, but not for keyboards.

I am extremely satisfied with my Genos purchase.   However, if I was not satisfied, i would not blame the manufacturer or think that Yamaha treats me with disrespect.  I would only blame my own research.  Because that would mean that i did not research properly.  So, i would only blame myself because ultimately it was my own decision.  The manufacturer did not force me to buy the product.

I have been in contact with Yamaha staff on a couple of occasions (to resolve an issue i was having with Tyros4 wireless connection) and they always treated me with respect and good customer service.  They even sent me a replacement wireless adapter at no cost.  It turned out that the adapter was not the issue, it was the user (me).

After the first or second Genos OS update, most of the initial issues i had went away.  For example, i remember that initially, Genos was not showing the beat. That was fixed with an OS update.

I believe that a manufacturer, offers a product and then it is up to the consumer to purchase (or NOT). 

I believe it is the other way around, i believe that collectively SMART consumers have the last say and actually dictate the market.   If a product satisfies a critical number of consumers, that product will continue in the market.  If the product does not satisfy the market it will automatically lose it's share of market and will be out very shortly.

Anyway, hopefully the next OS updates (if any) will make Genos even better.  If not, then we can intelligently decide what is our next move as consumers:  upgrade to Genos 2 (if and when);  buy another brand (Korg ?); keep current Genos, there are plenty of options.   

In any event the decision is always ours as consumers. 

Hope you and everyone else reading this forum has a great day.

[Fred Smith]

Well, silly me.

Here I was hoping we could generate a list of improvements that show Yamaha what we're interested in, and the comments would indicate the level of interest so the list could be prioritized.

Instead, as usual, the thread degenerates into useless comments on opinions of consumer buying habits.

When you don't get what you want in an OS upgrade (which, by the way Pino, is coming and will continue to come), don't blame me.

Fred

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Kaarlo

I admire that you always speak (actually write) candidly and honestly what your thoughts are.   Keep it coming. !!

I initially hesitated to respond to your comment (quote above) but could not pass on it and felt compelled to express my view. 

I recently purchased Genos.  Before, purchasing I researched quite a bit about Genos.   I did not buy it until my own research showed me that it was a good product to fit my personal needs.  I also considered other brand names such as Korg.   However, consciously decided to buy Genos.   It turned out to be a smart decision.

So, i do not consider myself in the "stupid consumers/buyers" group. At least not when it relates to Genos.  Maybe for other products i could be in that group, but not for keyboards.

I am extremely satisfied with my Genos purchase.   However, if I was not satisfied, i would not blame the manufacturer or think that Yamaha treats me with disrespect.  I would only blame my own research.  Because that would mean that i did not research properly.  So, i would only blame myself because ultimately it was my own decision.  The manufacturer did not force me to buy the product.

I have been in contact with Yamaha staff on a couple of occasions (to resolve an issue i was having with Tyros4 wireless connection) and they always treated me with respect and good customer service.  They even sent me a replacement wireless adapter at no cost.  It turned out that the adapter was not the issue, it was the user (me).

After the first or second Genos OS update, most of the initial issues i had went away.  For example, i remember that initially, Genos was not showing the beat. That was fixed with an OS update.

I believe that a manufacturer, offers a product and then it is up to the consumer to purchase (or NOT). 

I believe it is the other way around, i believe that collectively SMART consumers have the last say and actually dictate the market.   If a product satisfies a critical number of consumers, that product will continue in the market.  If the product does not satisfy the market it will automatically lose it's share of market and will be out very shortly.

Anyway, hopefully the next OS updates (if any) will make Genos even better.  If not, then we can intelligently decide what is our next move as consumers:  upgrade to Genos 2 (if and when);  buy another brand (Korg ?); keep current Genos, there are plenty of options.   

In any event the decision is always ours as consumers. 

Hope you and everyone else reading this forum has a great day.

Thanks Al Ram,

I enjoyed reading you thoughtful and friendly posting.  Will contact you.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[EileenL]

Hi Al Ram,
  I have to agree with every word you have written. This is the way to approach things, know just what you are buying and as you say no one forces you to buy anything. There have been so many negative things written about Genos and knocking it before really understanding just how it works. It is a great keyboard for gigging and home use and once you have spent a little time getting used to it it is very quick to operate.

[Al Ram]

Well, silly me.

Here I was hoping we could generate a list of improvements that show Yamaha what we're interested in, and the comments would indicate the level of interest so the list could be prioritized.

Instead, as usual, the thread degenerates into useless comments on opinions of consumer buying habits.

When you don't get what you want in an OS upgrade (which, by the way Pino, is coming and will continue to come), don't blame me.

Fred

Fred

You are absolutely right.   Sorry about that.

Now, lets go back to the original subject:  Enhancements for next OS update.

I could not think of any in addition to your original list.

Thanks

[Wouter1972]

Right you are Fred, although your reply is somewhat drenched in a condescending sauce

[Robert van Weersch]

...

Right.

Honestly, most items on your list aren't even enhancements. In my opinion, as a 20+ years experienced professional software engineer, they are bugs that should be fixed. Customizable sorting, state saving, "save as", etc. are features that are considered elementary in all modern apps or operating systems. It's a shame Yamaha fails to implement such simple features.

[reya]

Well, silly me.

Here I was hoping we could generate a list of improvements that show Yamaha what we're interested in, and the comments would indicate the level of interest so the list could be prioritized.

Instead, as usual, the thread degenerates into useless comments on opinions of consumer buying habits.

When you don't get what you want in an OS upgrade (which, by the way Pino, is coming and will continue to come), don't blame me.

Fred

Well, why not start a new thread, posting your list again, and asking people not to comment on it, but to just quote the previous list on the tread and add their own wanted improvements to it, continuing to number them.
So the list will only grow, and if Yamaha IS listening, all they would need to do is scroll to the end to see the whole list ....

To illustrate I will do this in the next post as an example.

Thanks
Rudy

[reya]

1. Registration Memory screen shows which groups were memorized in the current registration.

2. Ability to designate a registration (eg, Setup) which is automatically loaded on startup.

3. Ability to memorize text font and size (or ability to set the default font just as one can set a default background).

4. Ability to memorize Text Page+ function.

5. Ability to display lists in alphabetical order (voices, styles, multipads, etc.)

6. Current Save function renamed to "Save As ..."; then implement a Save function which will save the file without asking further questions.

7. Using the Next function in a Playlist goes to the next registration in the Playlist, not, as it currently does, the next registration in alphabetical order.

8. Add an Assignable Buttons group to Parameter Lock so you can stop third-party registrations from redefining your assignments.

9. Ability to exit from USB storage mode without a power on/off cycle (ie, as the Tyros does).

I hope Yamaha is listening,
Fred

10. On the home screen, have the dec(-) inc(+) buttons scroll through the registration sequence, and have a press of both, reset that registration sequence (as it was on tyros with the tab buttons)

[EileenL]

Well I will say at the risk of getting slated that if you really can not manage without these things then put it to Yamaha direct. Show them you are serious. Don't post on a forum that has not been very kind in some of its comments about Genos and hope they are seen.

Remember that for all those that are discontent with the keyboard there are many more that are more than happy with it.

[Bachus]

Well I will say at the risk of getting slated that if you really can not manage without these things then put it to Yamaha direct. Show them you are serious. Don't post on a forum that has not been very kind in some of its comments about Genos and hope they are seen.

Remember that for all those that are discontent with the keyboard there are many more that are more than happy with it.

Well, i disagree, this forum counts like the voice of many, and so it should make a larger i pression on Yamaha then a letter of a single user. 

Its just a matter of saying praise where praise is due, and being critical where criticisme has a place. After all its still the users that know what features they want improved and even more so, what things they dislike or over time become even irritators to some. No product in this buiseness will ever be perfect, but If none speak aloud, no product will ever come close to being perfect.

In my world there is allways room for improving things, even the best arranger out there.

[reya]

[quote from: Fred Smith on Mon 23-07-2018, 14:14:57
1. Registration Memory screen shows which groups were memorized in the current registration.

2. Ability to designate a registration (eg, Setup) which is automatically loaded on startup.

3. Ability to memorize text font and size (or ability to set the default font just as one can set a default background).

4. Ability to memorize Text Page+ function.

5. Ability to display lists in alphabetical order (voices, styles, multipads, etc.)

6. Current Save function renamed to "Save As ..."; then implement a Save function which will save the file without asking further questions.

7. Using the Next function in a Playlist goes to the next registration in the Playlist, not, as it currently does, the next registration in alphabetical order.

8. Add an Assignable Buttons group to Parameter Lock so you can stop third-party registrations from redefining your assignments.

9. Ability to exit from USB storage mode without a power on/off cycle (ie, as the Tyros does).

I hope Yamaha is listening,
Fred

10. On the home screen, have the dec(-) inc(+) buttons scroll through the registration sequence, and have a press of both, reset that registration sequence (as it was on tyros with the tab buttons)

11. Ability to enable MIDI - Through

12. Ability to save the used MIDI configuration file in a registration file button

[AlBags]

One 'small thing' that irritates me (as it did on the T5)  ..

Call up the score page when a MIDI is loaded ..
The damn size of notation, and the left hand score, etc settings are not remembered. Always reverts to 'large' and LH off.
Really annoys me 😊

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

1. Registration Memory screen shows which groups were memorized in the current registration.

2. Ability to designate a registration (eg, Setup) which is automatically loaded on startup.

3. Ability to memorize text font and size (or ability to set the default font just as one can set a default background).

4. Ability to memorize Text Page+ function.

5. Ability to display lists in alphabetical order (voices, styles, multipads, etc.)

6. Current Save function renamed to "Save As ..."; then implement a Save function which will save the file without asking further questions.

7. Using the Next function in a Playlist goes to the next registration in the Playlist, not, as it currently does, the next registration in alphabetical order.

8. Add an Assignable Buttons group to Parameter Lock so you can stop third-party registrations from redefining your assignments.

9. Ability to exit from USB storage mode without a power on/off cycle (ie, as the Tyros does).

I hope Yamaha is listening,
Fred

Hi Fred,

Thanks. I am sure you are one of those YAMAHA listens to you.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Fred Smith]

One 'small thing' that irritates me (as it did on the T5)  ..

Call up the score page when a MIDI is loaded ..
The damn size of notation, and the left hand score, etc settings are not remembered. Always reverts to 'large' and LH off.
Really annoys me 😊

Agreed. I have the same complaint about text font and size.

Fred

[Depo1964]

I don't use my Genos in the traditional arranger keyboard sense,
but I'd like to see:

1)Double touching on a circular fader resets it back to zero.

2) less sensitivity on circular and vertical faders. Just touching it moves the values way too far.

3) more detailed faders in the Recording Multi Recording Audio Section .   
Since several instruments are playing, it would be nice to see a separate fader for each instrument...
Also when overdubbing a fader to see how hot that overdub is compared to the playback would be nice as well.

[Lee Batchelor]

How about this: whenever a draw bar organ voice is selected, make the slider display default to the footages display. As it is now, if you're playing a song with a piano voice, and then select a draw bar organ voice, the slider display must be cycled to get to the damn footage sliders! This is a real problem for me in a live playing gig. Even if the draw bar organ voice is saved to a registration bank (piano on #1 and slider organ on #2) the sliders don't change to the footages display after you press #2. This needs to be fixed!!

[Depo1964]

I'd like to see additional and more sophisticated arpeggio types (guitar strumming) with the next release.
The current types do not do this keyboard justice....
It's like comparing a toy piano to a Bösendorfer.

[Lee Batchelor]

Agreed, Depo1964. Fifteen years ago, I bought a Motif ES7. Its arps blew away the Genos arps 100 to 1. I can't imagine the Montage arps!

[markstyles]

Each new Tryos update was an improvement. and I had the money and desire to jump to that as quickly as possible.  I could also see, many users, skipping a newer model waiting for the next. For the majority of us, $$$ already or will become a more significant factor. 

For instance at 70, I can't see me buying more than two computers, for my duration here on earth.  Of course software, hardware, manufactures do their best to force you buy up, because they stop supporting the model you bought. The good thing about a keyboard, that is is self contained. so even if future models have more improvements, your current instrument still has the same value to you. When younger, (with much more spending $$$) I was a techno-hardware addict. I had to have the newest and the best. Eventually I had to drop out of that catagory, although I will still continue to do that with Yamaha arrangers. 

Look at guitar players. I have old bandmate, who are still using the same guitar they bought 50 years ago.  It still does everything they need.  Although guitar technology has improved during the decades, it is still the same basic mechanism.  Because of kbds, design, and the current 'what's hot sound'.  is is like woman's fashions.  I would often get that in my  production. 'I like it, but it sounds too 90's.  Of course I have no desire to make music that sounds like what is happening more.

Genos incorporated some EDM sounds, try to capture some of the younger generation. For me, those styles and sounds are useless. The Genos is an arranger kbd. not a DAW workstation. Yes, you can use it to a degree as one, (I do). But I also use other hardware, software, for my other musical needs. The majority (I believe) are using it as a one man band device). And it works incredibly well as one.

The bottom line is Yamaha is out to make money, not appease 1000 users, who would like all these additional features. Granted I believe they do listen, and if it is an easy software, update, to add, modify to get that feature they will. Or consider it as a feature in the next generation..  They also be careful not to 'overlap' their instruments.  Ideally, if you're a studio musician, they would like to buy two or more of their kbds, modules etc.

[Fred Smith]

I agree Yamaha is out to make money, which is a good thing because if they didn't, they'd be out of business, which would be disastrous for all of us.

However, they don't force us to buy anything. Only governments gave the power of force. People buy when the value proposition is worth their while.

I believe the Genos will have a longer selling life than any previous model, because Yamaha have figured out it's more effective to continually improve the software. That's a lot cheaper than developing a whole new product line. With continuous improvements people won't be so quick to wait for the next model.

Therefore, it's worth our time to tell Yamaha what we want because it's in their best interest to provide it.

Cheers,
Fred

[AlBags]

Another small thing regarding text order/layout/selection options, etc.

When one selects a Midi file to load from main menu (if one is NOT already loaded) one has to physically change the song file type to 'Midi' from 'Audio' to 'Midi' on that TINY touch slider.
Yamaha should make the DEFAULT setting to Midi. Surely this is the common selection .. not an audio track/event.

Darned nuisance, just like the Song Score text size not being remembered!


Al.

[Fred Smith]

Another small thing regarding text order/layout/selection options, etc.

When one selects a Midi file to load from main menu (if one is NOT already loaded) one has to physically change the song file type to 'Midi' from 'Audio' to 'Midi' on that TINY touch slider.
Yamaha should make the DEFAULT setting to Midi. Surely this is the common selection .. not an audio track/event.

Darned nuisance, just like the Song Score text size not being remembered!

Good idea, Al. Or at least we should be able to specify which default we want.

Fred

[jwyvern]

Another small thing regarding text order/layout/selection options, etc.

When one selects a Midi file to load from main menu (if one is NOT already loaded) one has to physically change the song file type to 'Midi' from 'Audio' to 'Midi' on that TINY touch slider.
Yamaha should make the DEFAULT setting to Midi. Surely this is the common selection .. not an audio track/event.

Darned nuisance, just like the Song Score text size not being remembered!


Al.

I don't see any slider to select Midi vs Audio, although there is a small one to select Dual vs List which so far I have had no use for and seems no help in general song selection. To select song types I push Song, which gives a divided screen showing audio and song players. Then touch the blank square for Song A (audio) or B (midi) to take you to the relevant files and select.

John

[AlBags]

Hi J

From main screen (not access buttons):
If you have no song midi or audio file loaded in A or B of song player, when you tap on the main screen to select one, there is a slider button top left that one has to select midi or audio on, or you will not see correct file type.
I doubt many are opening from the main screen to find audio tracks/recordings. I assume most are loading midi.

Al.

[jwyvern]

Thanks Al,
The reason I did not know of that route is the Home screen gets neglected or ignored, because of a need to keep on the more specialist screens eg. Voice, Edit, Mixers, song, midi etc.
The Home doesn't often get a look in
John

[Wim NL]

When one selects a Midi file to load from main menu (if one is NOT already loaded) one has to physically change the song file type to 'Midi' from 'Audio' to 'Midi' on that TINY touch slider.
Yamaha should make the DEFAULT setting to Midi. Surely this is the common selection .. not an audio track/event.

The default is midi when you start with Song B

[AlBags]

For some obscure reason, yes! (if both are empty)