Name Just One Or Two Things That Made You Buy A Genos

[Gloria]

Dinapoli, thanks for sharing your video, this is a beautiful song & beautiful scenery!  Your voice is great and the sounds you are getting with your new Genos are beautiful!   

Gloria

[pfeuh]

Hello,

After nearly 45 years of playing guitar, I had a desire of an arranger. I went to a shop, the best of all was the genos. So I bough it.

Regards,

Pfeuh

[dinapoli]

Thank you Gloria,  The Genos is a great keyboard.  It is a great tool to experiment, to change old songs and write new songs.
I am taking the liberty to post one more.  This is an improvisation around "The good the bad and the ugly" 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub3I4Wag46g&t=43s

[GlenC]

Because Technics didn't make the KN8000   

Sorry but at the time I thought Technics had a better sound quality than the Yamaha equivalent.  I only bucked up courage a couple of months ago to part exchange my KN7000 for a Genos as the KN was showing its age.  It would have been interesting to have compared the Genos to the latest Technics keyboard offering if they had stayed in the Musical Instrument market.

Glen

[Bachus]

One picture says more the 10.000 words
But sound speaks for itselves.

[Tommy 73]

One picture says more the 10.000 words
But sound speaks for itselves.

looking good Bachus... I think it is becoming aprrant the strengths of the Genos sound engine compared to the PA4X, what I am also interested to know bachus how would you compare the over all fidelity coming from the Genos (DAC & preamp etc) compared to your old Pa4x in your sitting through you monitoring system... as I was blown away by the Montage fidelity compared to the PA4X which made life tricky for me to make them fit together (PA4X & Montage) in the same mix landscape.... incidentally what are you using for your monitoring system + any outboards ?

[KeyboardByBiggs]

One picture says more the 10.000 words

YeeeeeeaaaaHHHHHHH!

[CindyG]

Nice setup, Bachus! What stand are you using?

[Bachus]

Nice setup, Bachus! What stand are you using?

Its a K&M table stand.
They have 2 different ones on offer, with a huge amount of accesoires.
Both would work well for double and tripple setups..
I also have an ipad stand, sheetmusic stand as well as a laptop stand for this stand..

[Bachus]

looking good Bachus... I think it is becoming aprrant the strengths of the Genos sound engine compared to the PA4X, what I am also interested to know bachus how would you compare the over all fidelity coming from the Genos (DAC & preamp etc) compared to your old Pa4x in your sitting through you monitoring system

Genos and my modx are where it comes to fidellity on a whole different level as the pa4x. Only Kronos and Kurzweil Forte come close.. its much more about the small little details in the Genos sounds.. pa4x sounds are much more straightforward... they still sound good but somehow miss the little intrigues and details of the Yamaha sounds.. the strength of the yamaha sound is not as much in the engine but in how the preset voices are programmed. Thats where Yamaha is unparralelled.

... as I was blown away by the Montage fidelity compared to the PA4X which made life tricky for me to make them fit together (PA4X & Montage) in the same mix landscape.... incidentally what are you using for your monitoring system + any outboards ?

I have some new monitors on back order, sold my yamaha hs8.. only using a high quallity sennheiser studio headset..

There is another thing, i want to share with you..
My opinion about the sound difference between Genos and MODX..

They are essentially 2 whole different beasts..
While sonnically they are on the same level..
The soundcharacteristics of the instruments are different..
Not (again) because of the engine, there are differneces, but they are not the main reason

Its because of how the voices are programmed..
The Genos is programmed to use single voices that sound as realistic as possible..
The modx is programmed to sound wide and majestic, for multiple layer sounds..
With a superknob structure that can slowly or on a whimp change the whole soundspectrum..
To be creative and createyour own music..

Both these things require different setups and presets..

So you basically need to filter this out when comparing the pa4x to the montage/modx.
Its a different sound at its core. Same goes for the Genos..
To my ears and liking, the Genos outperforms the pa4x in pretty much all aspects..
Except the acoustic piano sounds, and the synth capabilities for programming your own sounds..

But then, for acoustic piano, i use the modx.
I prefer them even above the kronos.. both the CFF as well as the Imperial..

[Tommy 73]

Thanks Bachus for your input there... i do follow your analysis on all things keyboard relateded over the years here and on other forums and have found great value in your writings... so when you moved to the Genos I did take "Note"... i have had some down time with Genos in a shop (Which is a 6 hrs round trip for me) but the only real way to compare with what i am use to would be to try Genos at home in a familiar set up... so interestingly the other day a dealer here in the UK started advertising a 10 day home trial with Genos (free of charge) with no obligation to buy (only carriage needs to be covered) which I am very tempted to do and of course included in my thoughts has been your move to Genos from the PA4X which I still have (value noted above) so why I think this home trial with Genos will happen very soon I am holding back for the recently talked about OS update for Genos (if this materializes) which will help in my decision which way I choose to go.

[beykock]

People who like the Genos might decide to buy one.

Others, like me, love the Tyros or the PSR S serie and prefer not to " upgrade " - for many reasons -.

IMHO :
The audiance wants to hear and to see a great musician, a  good singer and a great entertainer.

The audiance does not come for the arranger keyboard but for the show and expects great entertainment only.
The audiance also expects " the artist " has reliable instruments and sound equipment.

We are all convinced Yamaha are manufacturing reliable musical instruments and equipment.

The public however is not interested in any arranger keyboard brand.
Only the owner and other keyboard players are.😸

Babette

[Bachus]

People who like the Genos might decide to buy one.

Others, like me, love the Tyros or the PSR S serie and prefer not to " upgrade " - for many reasons -.

IMHO :
The audiance wants to hear and to see a great musician, a  good singer and a great entertainer.

The audiance does not come for the arranger keyboard but for the show and expects great entertainment only.
The audiance also expects " the artist " has reliable instruments and sound equipment.

We are all convinced Yamaha are manufacturing reliable musical instruments and equipment.

The public however is not interested in any arranger keyboard brand.
Only the owner and other keyboard players are.😸

Babette

Why defend your choice here?

[Murat]

1. Because my wife told me to.
2. I agreed with her.

Stijn

Love it Stijn! 

[Bachus]

Love it Stijn! 

Me too..

My wife has no opinion on this as long as i pay it from my monthly allowance...

[Murat]

Me too..

My wife has no opinion on this as long as i pay it from my monthly allowance...

Bachus! Your monthly allowance? Good one mate 

[Del]

What's Monthly Allowance  lol

[beykock]

 I am not defending my choice since I am not a gigger, Bachus.😉

The original question of this thread came from Pianoman.
Pianoman is a great pro gigger in Spain.

As far as I am informed Pianoman is a Tyros3 player and maybe, I am not sure, he has the intention to order a Genos.
Only Pianoman can give you the answer.

Babette

[Toril S]

I know an entertainer who still gigs with Tyros 2. He had Tyros 1 many years. He is very popular here!

[Bachus]

What's Monthly Allowance  lol

Thats whats left after i hand my monthly salary to my wife..
I get an allowance, like kids get pocket money..
But its essentially the same..  its the money i can spend on anything i want...

[Del]

LOL Bachus I knew what it was really, I was just trying to be funny it's non existent here lol

[Bachus]

LOL Bachus I knew what it was really, I was just trying to be funny it's non existent here lol

Well to be honest..
My wife runs the household..

And she has got her own allowance for personall pleasures..
And then there is our savings, about which we decide together..
We are pretty emancipated,..

[fabpianista]

1. Acoustic guitar sounds (all the voices, to be honest);
2. Quality of sound out-of-the-box.

[dinapoli]

People who like the Genos might decide to buy one.

Others, like me, love the Tyros or the PSR S serie and prefer not to " upgrade " - for many reasons -.

IMHO :
The audiance wants to hear and to see a great musician, a  good singer and a great entertainer.

The audiance does not come for the arranger keyboard but for the show and expects great entertainment only.
The audiance also expects " the artist " has reliable instruments and sound equipment.

We are all convinced Yamaha are manufacturing reliable musical instruments and equipment.

The public however is not interested in any arranger keyboard brand.
Only the owner and other keyboard players are.😸

Babette
« Last Edit: February 10, 2019, 06:48:52 AM by beykock »


Yes, the audience come for the Show but the Entertainer needs good tools, but most of all, the performer has to feel comfortable in using the tools.

These days many great midi files and karaoke files are available, what makes one stand out?

I am old enough, to have owned a DX7 and a Farfisa.  Those days we made music with those keyboard and a little drum machine.  The DJ came out we lost ground.  The advance of the Arrangers technology leveled the field a little.  All this technology created a greater competition.  These days and as usual, the people come because they like you, for what you do!  As you say they couldn't care less what you use, yes it's true but I will choose a GENOS over the old DX7 anytime!

[valder]

Friend
I also had G800, then G1000, I remember the G1000 timbres and styles were fantastic, then came the G70 that at the time here in Brazil was more famous than the yamaha, today I have a Genos, which is a very advanced technology and in the moment exceeds the current Roland models

[DonM]

The Roland EA-7 is quite good, but more of a middle-line unit.
I have Korg PA4X, Roland EA-7 in addition to the Yammy.
PA4X is by far my favorite, but they all are fantastic!

[Denn]

Hello, I have posted quite a few times on forums; there is absolutely nothing I like about the Genos! I have had three tablets and two phones and the touch screens are abominable. I found the same on the Genos when I played them. Live Knobs? I only have two hands and those are needed to  play. The knobs on my S770 never return to the start position. The sliders on my T4 are jumpy so OK for getting within range then resort to the buttons for fine tuning.
Finally, for this post, sound is a matter of opinion. I play my T4 and I play with my T4 and the sounds are great. No one in my audiences would be able to tell the difference between a Genos, Tyros or, sad to say, a top of the range Casio. It is my playing and my settings that people listen to. I set up my registrations BEFORE I go out so no need to wiggle knobs or push sliders on the fly.
Having tried the Genos a few times I am still of the opinion that if it came on the market at $100 I still would not buy one. I love my T4. 
Regards,Den.

[Toril S]

And I agree fully!

[Murat]

I am one happy Genos owner. I am a convert from Korg and previously Roland.

One thing I noticed that the Tyros owners try really hard to convince themselves that Tyros is as good as Genos; they say the audience wouldn't be able to tell the difference blah blah....

No! Genos is much better! 

[Toril S]

But the touch screen interface is not for everyone.