Sooner than later - Genos 61-

[Gunnar Jonny]

As many of us suspected, there is no Genos 61 in sight so far ......

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/news_events/contents/musikmesse/products.html#ArrangerWorkstation

[Joe H]

As many of us suspected, there is no Genos 61 in sight so far ......

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/news_events/contents/musikmesse/products.html#ArrangerWorkstation

It's way too early.  Yamaha just released the PSR S975.

Joe H

[DerekA]

It's way too early.  Yamaha just released the PSR S975.

Very true - but the OP said a he'd heard it would be unveiled at this weeks Musikmesse.

It wasn't.

[Pino]

Quote from Synthzone
In a few weeks at musikmesse we will see a 61 version of the Genos..
Thats a rumour coming from Germany..

The Op said,  

[Pino]

No problem to wait, meanwhile, we have other great keyboards,

The Genos can be a killer keyboard in the right hands
But so is the S970.

I have been a Yamaha player since Technics stopped
Recently I have been using my other system on occasions.
I bought it to beef up the voices on the S970
It's weighs 3 kilos and costs 30% less than a S975
It works great as an arranger and sounds really good.

Take a listen

https://app.box.com/s/npuempch5y14ineqz5ijdv7ytrpn4say


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[EileenL]

Yes the 970 is a very good keyboard but the keybed is not good and can be noisy if playing quietly. 

[Pino]

But The buttons are very quiet on PSR
If I have an open microphone with Tyros then I have problems
Very noisy clicks, PSR so much better.

[EileenL]

Genos touch screen ever quieter.

[Pino]

What other keyboard has hard noisy buttons
Korg - Ketron - Roland?
If I rehearsing late at night wakes my children up.

Yes, the touch screen is better
But I have touch screens for many years.

[hans1966]

No problem to wait, meanwhile, we have other great keyboards,

The Genos can be a killer keyboard in the right hands
But so is the S970.

I have been a Yamaha player since Technics stopped
Recently I have been using my other system on occasions.
I bought it to beef up the voices on the S970
It's weighs 3 kilos and costs 30% less than a S975
It works great as an arranger and sounds really good.

Take a listen

https://app.box.com/s/npuempch5y14ineqz5ijdv7ytrpn4say

Hello Pino, congratulations excellent audio. Now my question is: how do you work together with your S970 with the Ketron Module ?. and I would also like to know how much this module costs. greetings Hans

[KeyboardByBiggs]

Hello Pino, congratulations excellent audio. Now my question is: how do you work together with your S970 with the Ketron Module ?. and I would also like to know how much this module costs. greetings Hans

Between $1800 and $2000 from what I see online.

[hans1966]

Hi KeyboardByBiggs, thanks for your answer. greetings Hans

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Hello Pino, congratulations excellent audio. Now my question is: how do you work together with your S970 with the Ketron Module ?. and I would also like to know how much this module costs. greetings Hans

https://app.box.com/s/npuempch5y14ineqz5ijdv7ytrpn4say

WOW ! I am not sure I understood which instrument generated that fantastic sounding short audio. Was it the 970 or the Ketron ? Please specify.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[hans1966]

Hello Karlo, I think Pino refers to the Ketron / S970 combination, since he says he uses the Ketron Module to reinforce the voices of the S970. greetings Hans

[Pino]

That was the Ketron SD40 demo
It's a full rich sound and the styles have a very 'live sound'

Similar to the Technics sound of many years ago,

I love the Yamaha styles but some of the lead voices are on the thin side.
That's the reason I bought the SD40 for the right hand voices

I've had so much fun with it as an arranger, easy to connet any controller from 49 to 88 piano. the touch screen works flawlessly and it's only 2kilos.

I haven't used it with my S970 yet
That's my next project starting next week ' midi to S970' time permitting.
I will report back on how it hooks up,

Pino

[hans1966]

Thank you very much Pino, for clarifying that it was what we were listening to in your Demo. greetings Hans

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

That was the Ketron SD40 demo
It's a full rich sound and the styles have a very 'live sound'

Similar to the Technics sound of many years ago .......

I've had so much fun with it as an arranger, easy to connet any controller from 49 to 88 piano. the touch screen works flawlessly and it's only 2kilos.....

I will report back on how it hooks up,

Pino

Hi Pino,
thanks for the "update" on the  Ketron SD40 demo    The  the sax was  so realistic  it made me feel it was not done just by playing  keyboard keys.  Having been a sax player for 20 years long ago I do appreciate the after-touch, the new possibilities with the Genos pitch bender and the 3 buttons. They do make saxes more realistic,  but what I heard on your SD40 demo ( 4 times !)  could only be a real sax or an expert manipulation on a PC by the creator just as on the Yamaha intros and endings.

I also loved the base. These are the moments you realize that in spite of all the great improvement in keyboards over the years  it is still easy to realize, what you are hearing is just a keyboard being played,  not the real thing.
Like you I feel there were things on the Technics 6000 that would have been worth copying like the "call up function" you could buy from a Swiss creator. You only had to write "In the.." and the midi file "In the mood"  was there. I also loved  the easy midi file tweaking and style creation. Genos has this nice  loop function, but now that the delete function in case you made a mistake has been removed (was there in 1.10)  I have had difficulties.  I do the prolonging on Midifile Optimizer, but that does not give you the option of using the loop or not which Genos gives you. But maybe there is a way to get the points correctly easily ans I just have not understood that.
On Yamaha models  the Intros and Endings have become so well done that you may for a moment be fooled. But then when you hear a style that is only 2 bars long you know what you are hearing.    As I know absolutely nothing about to-day's  hip hop and heavy metal it might be that in that department it makes no difference, but in Jazz, be it combo or big band 2 bars are an insult to my old ears. Fortunately there are quite a few 4 bar long styles but already on the 5700 I still have there were 8 bar long styles. I believe there is a way to create such styles on the Genos from existing styles but so far I have not been able to do it. Am waiting for a thread in that direction. Or maybe better make a thread.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[arvacon]

Possibly fake?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=696ib_zZqwg&feature=em-uploademail

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[Pino]

If it's a fake then it's a well put together fake,

That would be perfect for my needs,

Anyone else in for a 61? 🤔

[arvacon]

If this is not fake, then Yamaha has to consider about firing the designer..
The left side looks like a mess!

[Pino]

It does look a little tight up to the left side   

[pjd]

It does look a little tight up to the left side   

And it has a two-tone color mismatch running down the left hand side. Genos-76 is seamless. Clearly, 'shopped.

-- pj

[arvacon]

And it has a two-tone color mismatch running down the left hand side. Genos-76 is seamless. Clearly, 'shopped.

-- pj

That two tone color mismatch was my fault, as I took the screenshot during the next image transition at the YouTube video. Here it is a better one.

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[Bernie9]

Just to add one more vote for the 76 keys.  I have been a gigging musician for fifty years, and up until a few years ago always used a 61.  I am not a piano player, so don't have to have a larger keybed, but the extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back.  I am 77 and set in my ways, but this was a very easy change.  For what it's worth.

[EileenL]

Hi Bernie,
  Like you I am set in my ways but at 82 next week I am loving having those extra notes and I am not a pianist but like using three way split at times and now have more notes to do it with. weight is also not a problem as the keyboard is not as heavy as Tyros range.

[terryB]

Hi Eileen, what is your split points for a 3 way keyboard split ?

Cheers
Terry

[EileenL]

I use mine F#2 F#2 F5. I have the voice I want to solo set to right three and adjust the octave.

[sunny]

Hi friends,
            Is this video real about Genos 61 ? If yes,i am ready to buy one.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06R6am4g0Q

Sunny

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Just to add one more vote for the 76 keys.  I have been a gigging musician for fifty years, and up until a few years ago always used a 61.  I am not a piano player, so don't have to have a larger keybed, but the extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back.  I am 77 and set in my ways, but this was a very easy change.  For what it's worth.

How right you are.  I realize there seem to be a lot of   senior  players  on this site.  I switched to T5/6 I believe at 77 and felt just like you. "The extra room is so beneficial to my playing, I would never go back." And being able to split, being able to have piano with harmony on the lower end and sax without it on the upper end reminds me of the time when we used electronic organs with 2 keyboards.  (some even preferred to play the base themselves instead of the automatic base)  I will never forget the moment I unpacked the Lowrey MX1 in the eighties. But you needed  4 people and a lift to get into a van.  And more gigs than I got to recoup the hefty price. In to-days money over 60.000 $.  Genos of course does not have 12 speakers and the cabinet, but still at less than 1/10 of the price it is a bargain. And as a fact the material for example of the keys i excellent. I know because whenever I bought the next Tyros  I removed the keys from the previous model and inserted them into the new one because I weighted them due to arthritis in my hands.  Fortunately YAMAHA has not changed the keys, they are now on the Genos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWCDk2ZygQc    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeuLD-yHjJ4

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Gunnar Jonny]

Hi friends,
            Is this video real about Genos 61 ? If yes,i am ready to buy one.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06R6am4g0Q

Sunny

Fake news if anybody ask me, but it collect cliks to the posted video.