Sooner than later - Genos 61-

[Pino]

Quote from Synthzone
In a few weeks at musikmesse we will see a 61 version of the Genos..
Thats a rumour coming from Germany..

My dealer has said this all along

And why shouldn't there be a 61

When Ford make a car they make a salon, a coupe, a hatchback
There have to modify some part but if there is a market then they
go for it. It's about making money.

Pino

[tyrosman]

I Doubt this and this is never going to Happen

[Pino]

WHY?

[Gunnar Jonny]

If there is a G 61 on the way, there most be a reason, maybe lot lower sales than Yamaha expected?
I think if a 61 was planned, it would be released at the same time as 76, maybe even before, and I don't see any reason Yamaha should keep quiet about it.
Doubt the rumours is true, but if they are, there are some people getting the dreams come true.
Only time will tell, Musikmesse 2018 is 'just around the corner'. 

[Lee Batchelor]

I suppose anything's possible, Pino. Logically, for Yamaha to produce a 61 key version, they would need to shorten the entire keyboard by about 9 inches or 23 centimeters. The button row occupies about 90 percent of the space over the keys. They would have to move several of those buttons. The Genos has very little wasted space - one of the delights over the T5, not to mention a drastic weight reduction. In short, they would need to do a complete body re-design.

Of course, they did build 88, 76, and 61 key versions of the Motif series, so like I said, anything's possible. My instincts tell me they will release a stripped down, 61 key version called the PSR Genos or some such name.

[Pino]

Look at my other set-up, only 2.2 kilos
Touch screen, Sounds terrific
Why does the Genos need to be so big?
My iPhone and iPad does amazing things and yet so small

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[tyrosman]

WHY?

because it Never will and I'm not saying why

[DrakeM]

I think it is coming too. 76 keys are too many for an arranger. 

[Lee Batchelor]

I had a T4 - 61 key. I bought the T5 - 76 keys and couldn't believe the difference the extra octave made. A lot less fussing with the octave button! For the many of us who came from the T5 - 76 keys to the Genos, the Genos seems very small in comparison. I had my T5 and Genos at the same time for about one week so I could transfer all my files. I actually got out a tape measure to make sure Yamaha had given me the same number of keys (LOL)!

The 76 keys comes in handy when you're playing professionally too.

[Lee Batchelor]

Very nice setup, Pino! Thanks for sharing. I always enjoy seeing pics of other peoples' setups.

[whataguy]

Absolutely right Lee. Maybe we should have a special section for nice people like this who will share this type of information. Don in MI

[Fred Smith]

WHY?

Yamaha makes a 61-key keyboard. It's called a PSR.

They have settled on 61 for PSRs, 76 for Genos, and 88 for Clavinovas. I see no reason for them to change this lineup.

Fred

[J. Larry]

A 61-note Genos would get my attention.  I sold my 61-Tyros 5, expecting the same on the new Genos.  Didn't happen, so I passed.  Don't need a 76, since I concentrate primarily on making wav file backing tracks for performance purposes.  Got a 61 PSR and a new 61 Korg.  They do the trick just fine.

[guitpic1]

All the arrangers I owned were 61 key until Genos.  I've gigged twice now with Genos.  Takes some getting used to 76 Keys but I like it.

[Lee Batchelor]

I can certainly see where a 61 key is perfectly adequate, as in J. Larry's case. Anything more would be a waste .

Aren't there similar keyboards with 49 keys or something like that? When you're not performing live stage, smaller key beds are fine - although back in my earlier days of owning the PSR 2000 and PSR 3000, I sure did a ton of gigs with those two puppies!

[EileenL]

The 76 note Tyros 5 sold better than they thought but people said it was very large and heavy. Now we have a 76 note Genos which is not much longer than Tyros 5 and a lot lighter in weight. it is also selling very fast as such a lot of people I know have all got Genos and love the 76 note. The extra notes are ideal for using three way split now. I would be very surprised if there bought out a 61 note. I think this will now only be used on the S series.

[KeyboardByBiggs]

I just saw a demo that referred to the specs showing Genos is only 3" longer than the 61-note T5.

[stephenm52]

Pino, I like that set up with the Ketron SD40 nice looking and compact.

[DrakeM]

What Yamaha ought to do is ADD one more button and put over by my LEFT hand.

That button would flip you over to the RIGHT 2 (only when selected) and silence RIGHT 1. Then if you taped it again it should go back to RIGHT 1, that would be slick.

There are a lot of times I would like to switch off while playing my lead as a guitar and flip it over to the Pedal Steel Guitar. I do it sometime by having the OTS set up but it is to tricky to get it right some times. Heck, I can't remember which OTS is the Pedal Steel  with all that is going on when performing. 

Regards
Drake

[Joe H]

I Doubt this and this is never going to Happen

I think it is silly that people cannot accept the idea of a 61 key Genos.  It might be called by another name and could be the PSR 975 follow-up.

Joe H

[Fred Smith]

I think it is silly that people cannot accept the idea of a 61 key Genos.  It might be called by another name and could be the PSR 975 follow-up.

So you're saying the same things as others — when a new 61-key keyboard comes out, it will have a different name, like PSR — but when other people say it, it's "silly"?

I don't understand how saying the same thing is silly for some, but not for others.

Fred

[Pino]

Fred, calm down, it's not an attack towards you.
We're only discussing keyboard size and weight

I think Genos is a great keyboard but we all have different needs

If you had to transport you keyboard and gear to gigs and have to sometimes carry upstairs or unload in rain or snow or sometimes late for a gig and have to rush around, it's the last thing you want is an unmanageable bulk just for the sake of an octave more of which 90% of members here never touch anyway.

[Joe H]

So you're saying the same things as others — when a new 61-key keyboard comes out, it will have a different name, like PSR — but when other people say it, it's "silly"?

I don't understand how saying the same thing is silly for some, but not for others.

Fred

Some people are too fixed in their thinking.  We are just discussing ideas here.  We all have a right to our opinions.

I personally would like to see a 61 note keyboard with some of the Genos features including no built-in speakers. Maybe it will be named something other than a PSR.

Joe H

[ash1]

i think its all about choice if the sales of the Genos are as good as people say they are then why not throw a 61 key Genos into the mix
to cater for the people who have always used a 61 key arranger
and would then go out and buy a Genos it makes perfect sense
when all is said and done it doesnt matter if its a 76 or a 61 key Genos

the main thing is we enjoy our arrangers no matter what kind we have
life is to short to argue about such trivia 

[EileenL]

Well as I always say, time will tell. Up untill now I have always had 61 note keyboards and mainly for the reason that they were easier to carry around, but with Genos it is not a big brute and is lighter than Tyros also more slenda and not much longer than Tyros 5 so why not have the advantage of those extra keys.

[soryt]

In the period that the genos was brought onto the market I was assured that absolutely no 61 keys would be made, therefore I sold my handmade flight case (very light weight) for the Tyros 5 (61). I am very satisfied With the sound of the Genos, I still preferred a keyboard with 61 keys, much more handy, lighter and easier to place. If Yamaha bring out a 61 keys version, they have deceived a lot of customers, and I can not see that happening.

Soryt 

[Pianoman]

It is very important when having a discussion, to know whether another member, when posting,
is standing in your corner, or Yamaha's corner.

It is not helpful that in many discussions, there are some (who may have a vested interest in
promoting the Genos in it's current form on Yamaha's behalf) that might try to stifle any
criticism about present Yamaha products, as well as speculation about future
Yamaha products.

While one may use discreet language in this endeavour, the other usually will react with the
subtlety of a sledgehammer. But the pattern, predictably, always remains the same.

It makes some responses appear suspect, because one doesn't know whether they're
posted in the spirit of good fellowship, or posted to promote the interests of Yamaha.

All in all, it makes open minded discussion somewhat difficult.

Best Regards.
Abby.

[mcbrown]

I had a Tyros 5 76 which I loved for its 76 keys, but found it to be very heavy for transporting and trying to fit into my SUV. As I've got older I am very conscious of looking after my back, particularly as I have hurt myself several times in my profession as a nurse. When I saw the pending release of a new top of the line "name unknown" keyboard coming to replace the Tyros I thought I would go back to 61 keys just to cut down on the weight, although I would miss the 76 keys.

Then I heard the Genos was only going to be a 76 keys model. Feeling rather disappointed with Yamahas decision to do this I was considering trading my 76 for a 61 Tyros.

The Genos had finally arrived at my local Yamaha store in early November 2017 so I went in for a look and listen. I immediately loved the sound and feel of the keyboard. I asked the store owner if I could pick it up to test the weight and with his approval, I could feel a definite reduction in the weight and bulk feel of the Genos. I went back home and packed up the T5 76 and returned to claim my Genos.

This was my experience and I have no regrets regarding my purchase of the Genos. I am not a power player or professional keyboardist as I'm actually a guitar player for the last 50 yrs. I do appreciate fine quality sounding instruments whether they be guitars or keyboards etc.

Murray

[Lloyd E]

Genos will never make a 61 note keyboard. Other models have 6l note keyboards, buy one of them .   Lloyd

[EileenL]

Well Abby,
   If you purchase a keyboard and you are very happy with it then I think most will mention the manufacturer
If you need to get in touch with the support team and they fall over backwards to help you, you are going to mention that to. Where is the problem in that. If you take an over all view Genos is by far the best keyboard from Yamaha so far and for that I give praise.
  I have been very dissapointed by the way some members have slated this keyboard without even owning it and insinuating we must have been mad to buy it but they were quick enough to ask us for the new styles and Multi pads off of it. 
  Every day you hear of people taking delivery of there's so they can't be that bad.