Genos can be so frustrating

[Tankdave]

I'm getting a bit fed up with mine.

I've had some pedal issues and had great help here on the forum, it would seem what I need to do is modify all the registrations in my Genos.
I was made aware of the YRM and I've spent a lot of  time today using it, but it's hard work and the "batch" facility just throws up an error message.

On top of this my assignable buttons stiil keep loosing thier settings and now the v1.20 Keyboard-volume keeps dissapearing too from slider-9

I am getting a bit annoyed with constantly having to enter all these settings back in to the Genos via the menu, because no matter what I tick, save, change, these things at some point keep changing on me and when they do the only way to get them back is to change them in the menu.

I'm sure having a "please step away from the keyboard sir" day.   
I realy don't know if I still need a "light-bulb" moment or my Genos is faulty?

[Lee Batchelor]

Tankdave, I feel your pain even though I'm a Canadian, and we're not allowed to have the Genos for a long while yet. We don't count as a "strong market." I make my living using Microsoft products and it's one battle after another, so I know all too well the crap you're putting up with. The difference is, Yamaha will deal with all bugs. It will take time though. Microsoft doesn't fix anything unless it makes them money. Therein lies the difference.

My suggestion is to tackle one Genos issue at a time. Start a separate topic for each issue. And please, don't use some frivolous subject line like, "Problem with my Genos." No one benefits when they are trying to scan through the various topics only to read poorly described issues. Be specific as to what you're trying to do and what you've tried so far. There are several people who have had the Genos for a while and can likely walk you through the new operating system. And yes, there are some bugs, but essentially from what I've read, the Genos is quite functional out of the factory. Talk to us .

[Fred Smith]

The other thing to remember is that not all the problems are specific to Genos. The pedal issue, for example, would apply to all Tyroses and PSRs.

Fred

[tyrosaurus]

The pedal issue, for example, would apply to all Tyroses and PSRs.

Hi Fred,

The 'Parameter Chart' in the 'Genos Data List' seems to show that (unlike any previous Yamaha arranger), the assigned Foot Pedal 'Function', 'Details' and even 'Polarity' are saved in the System Setup. 

I assumed that this meant that the user assigned pedal settings are remembered when the power is turned off, and restored when the power is turned back on, removing the need to save them in a 'Start Up' registration.

Are you saying that this is not the case?


Regards

Ian

[travlin-easy]

Fred is correct, the pedal polarity and a few other features revert to default settings when the keyboard is powered down. That's why we all made a setup registration, which contains all this information for when you first power up.

Gary 

[tyrosaurus]

So the Genos Data List is wrong then?

Regards

Ian

[Fred Smith]

Hi Fred,

The 'Parameter Chart' in the 'Genos Data List' seems to show that (unlike any previous Yamaha arranger), the assigned Foot Pedal 'Function', 'Details' and even 'Polarity' are saved in the System Setup. 

I assumed that this meant that the user assigned pedal settings are remembered when the power is turned off, and restored when the power is turned back on, removing the need to save them in a 'Start Up' registration.

Are you saying that this is not the case?

Ian,

The data list is correct. One of the great things about Genos is that it will remember pedal assignments through a power off (as it remembers all assignments). This is an improvement from Tyros, and something many people have asked for.

But, as with the Tyros, registrations can change pedal assignments. This is Dave's problem: he has registrations which set the pedals differently from what he wants. So he has to re-memorize them, or use Murray's program to fix them all in a batch.

But this issue is not unique to Genos. All Tyros registrations can set pedal assignments. So even if he stuck with his old keyboard, he'd still have to do the same re-memorizing.

To me, the best thing to do is re-memorize omitting the pedal assignment from the registrations. Then any future pedal assignment changes will stick. But it's up to Dave how he wants to solve his problem.

Fred

[tyrosaurus]

Hi Fred,

Thanks for confirming that.   At last Yamaha have addressed what was an annoying aspect of their keyboards.

As you say, pedal settings can also still be memorised in registrations, something which will no doubt be the cause of confusion in some cases in future, especially if registrations have been imported/converted from earlier keyboards!

I tend to use different pedal settings for different songs, or even for different parts of the same song, so I would probably still continue to use registrations to do this on Genos (if I ever decide to get one!), which of course means that the pedal assignments on power up would be whatever they were set to by the last registration used in the previous session.  At least on my Tyros4 I always know what they will be on power up (some people are never satisfied  )! For anyone that uses different combinations of pedal settings like this, a 'Start Up' registration might still be the way to ensure a consistent setup when the power is turned on!

BTW Murray Best's 'Yamaha Registration Manager' can remove the pedal group settings from multiple existing registration banks in batch mode if anyone really wants to do this 'en masse'.


Regards

Ian

[jwyvern]

Tankdave also has similar problems with his button assignments and sliders according to his opening post so he will need to "unsave" those from his registrations too. Yamaha did no favours for the unwary when they issued Genos with all registration categories ticked by default.

John

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

I'm getting a bit fed up with mine.

.....my assignable buttons still keep loosing their settings and now the v1.20 Keyboard-volume keeps dissappearing too from slider-9

I am getting a bit annoyed with constantly having to enter all these settings back in to the Genos via the menu, becawhat I tick, save, change, these things at some point keep changing on meuse no matter  and when they do the only way to get them back is to change them in the menu.
 
I realy don't know if I still need a "light-bulb" moment or my Genos is faulty?

Same here.  The Yamaha importers keyboard sales manager will come to my house with a  Genos so we can check whether  I happen to have a Monday-Genos or whether  these keyboards are all made only Mondays.  I will soon know and post the result, what was a specimen problems and what is not.  As with all technical products problems are bound to pop up. (I am a manufacturer of military drones so I know) Just think Toyota, the World's biggest car maker, had to call back  10 Million cars which is the equivalent of a queue  spanning the equator!!!  And bear in mind, Tyros 5 had  5 updates and on mine they had to exchange the innards to make it run properly which YAMAHA  did free of charge, which shows they do care.  Like Eileen says: we must be patient.

Cheers
Kaarlo   (from sunny snowy Finland  minus 28 C)

[Tankdave]

Thanks for listening and the help, I'm very interested in Kaarlo's Yamaha visit.

[valimaties]

Thanks for listening and the help, I'm very interested in Kaarlo's Yamaha visit.

Me too... Hope not freezing up on the way ( -28° C)

Regards,
Vali

[Tankdave]

Ian,

The data list is correct. One of the great things about Genos is that it will remember pedal assignments through a power off (as it remembers all assignments). This is an improvement from Tyros, and something many people have asked for.

But, as with the Tyros, registrations can change pedal assignments. This is Dave's problem: he has registrations which set the pedals differently from what he wants. So he has to re-memorize them, or use Murray's program to fix them all in a batch.

But this issue is not unique to Genos. All Tyros registrations can set pedal assignments. So even if he stuck with his old keyboard, he'd still have to do the same re-memorizing.

To me, the best thing to do is re-memorize omitting the pedal assignment from the registrations. Then any future pedal assignment changes will stick. But it's up to Dave how he wants to solve his problem.

Fred

I think I do need to re-memorise all the regsitrations, the YRM is not "playing-ball" though. I can sucessfully remove the pedal assignments from the registrations one bank at a time but the "batch" option gives me an error stating to retry after deleting the reg it dont like or contact Mr Murry.

I may do the latter because if I remove the reg it dont like, it then just does the same thing with the next one, yet the regs can be changed ok on a "one-bank" basis ok.

[valimaties]

I think I do need to re-memorise all the regsitrations, the YRM is not "playing-ball" though. I can sucessfully remove the pedal assignments from the registrations one bank at a time but the "batch" option gives me an error stating to retry after deleting the reg it dont like or contact Mr Murry.

I may do the latter because if I remove the reg it dont like, it then just does the same thing with the next one, yet the regs can be changed ok on a "one-bank" basis ok.

Send some reg banks to Murray to do a debug test on your registration banks...

Regards,
Vali

[Tankdave]

I think I do need to re-memorise all the regsitrations, the YRM is not "playing-ball" though. I can sucessfully remove the pedal assignments from the registrations one bank at a time but the "batch" option gives me an error stating to retry after deleting the reg it dont like or contact Mr Murry.

I may do the latter because if I remove the reg it dont like, it then just does the same thing with the next one, yet the regs can be changed ok on a "one-bank" basis.

[Tankdave]

I decided to go & re-visit this issue and I have managed to make a "blank" registration with the pedals set the way I want them using the YRM.

Good news is that when the pedals get messed up by the infamous "rogue" reg, I can now get my pedals back to my way of operation by loading up my new default reg, so no having to reset pedals in the menu.

This is a bit of real progress for me, but I can I ask why the YRM sticks a ".S917" on the end of the registration file name?

Thanks again for all the help, I'm getting there bit by bit

[Al Ram]

why the YRM sticks a ".S917" on the end of the registration file name?

Your question has already been answered in a different post titled "Sxxx from files names" on this forum.  See link below.

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,41398.msg325296.html#msg325296


thanks

[Enildo]

Hello friends!
The pedal settings (sustain, sustain, VH, Effects, etc.) change. The polarity ( /-) does not change.
At least on my PSR s970 and all that I used (PSRs 3000, s910, s950) the polarity never changed when turning off the device.

Enildo

[Tankdave]

I spoke too soon, a Reg from the "Discover Genos" folder changed my pedals today.

Ok I hear you say, I then loaded my default reg with "my" pedal settings and it DOES NOT change them back. 
Power cycle done and they still stuck the same way that the "Discover Genos" set them.

Looks like the only way to change them is in the Menu settings.

I reckon this is a Software bug?

[Fred Smith]

I spoke too soon, a Reg from the "Discover Genos" folder changed my pedals today.

Ok I hear you say, I then loaded my default reg with "my" pedal settings and it DOES NOT change them back. 
Power cycle done and they still stuck the same way that the "Discover Genos" set them.

Looks like the only way to change them is in the Menu settings.

I reckon this is a Software bug?

You should post your "default reg" so we can take a look at it. If it's not working, it's more likely the problem than s "software bug".

Fred

[Tankdave]

Thanks Fred, I'll take a gander at pulling them off

[Fred Smith]

By the way, the Discover Genos registrations that I downloaded do not have any pedal assignments.

I think it's something else you're doing. Do you have Freeze on?

Fred

[Tankdave]

I think I may have modified the default one, changed a voice, saved it and the "pedal" option was not ticked under the memory button so when I go back to it the pedals dont.

So may little ticks & stuff to mess you up or what?

I still have to get in touch with the YRM guy because that batch button not working still, as I do need to get all the registration booby-traps sorted.

[Fred Smith]

I think I may have modified the default one, changed a voice, saved it and the "pedal" option was not ticked under the memory button so when I go back to it the pedals dont.

So may little ticks & stuff to mess you up or what?

I still have to get in touch with the YRM guy because that batch button not working still, as I do need to get all the registration booby-traps sorted.

Whenever you want your problem solved, just let us know.

Fred

[Bill]

I think I do need to re-memorise all the regsitrations, the YRM is not "playing-ball" though. I can sucessfully remove the pedal assignments from the registrations one bank at a time but the "batch" option gives me an error stating to retry after deleting the reg it dont like or contact Mr Murry.

Hi Dave
The batch process is working OK for me.  You will find it easier if the folder only contains registrations NO Styles etc.

1  Load the YRM but do not load any Registration.
2  Select - Dup / Remove Bank Set
3  Put a tick in the Remove Setting Box and OK
4  Put a tick in the ALL Buttons box and OK
5  Put a tick in the "Foot Pedal" and the Assignable buttons (if you want then OK
6  Put a tick in the Copy Assignable Buttons box
7  Click the batch Convert button

Then you only need to select the source folder and destination folder for the Registrations.



Bill

[Tankdave]

Murray got back to me and it seems that very very occasionally Windows can somehow stop the "batch" change working.  Murray changed my Regs for me & emailed them back.

I then installed the YRM on my desktop PC upstairs, did exactly what I was doing on my laptop and this time it removed the assignments from the 92 Reg banks in the folder I was pointing at.

Good to know I'm not going mad and great service from Murray and "all hail" to his YRM program and this forum.

Thanks so much to all that helped.

[Tankdave]

I have now altered all the Registrations I have on my USB stick under the Genos, I was able to Batch modify, Pedals, Buttons & split points, all done with the help of Murray and his YRM.

So that now leaves all the Registrations I have sitting in the "Expansion" area of my Genos.

These do not have the ability to be "file" copied to a USB stick, and hence modified on the computer and returned to the Genos all corrected.

I fully understand that I can overcome my pedal, buttons & splits in some other box-ticking way, but I'm fussy and like to have my house in order.

This one sure looks like I'm going to be dissappointed though?

[EileenL]

You can save your Expansion registrations to your user section quite easy. Just select the pack and registrations from it. Now press File and select user then press save here. You can then alter them. You can not how ever save them back to expansion. I make a folder called Expansions registrations on my user and save into this. They work fine from here as long as you keep the voice packs loaded in your expansion.

[valimaties]

You can save your Expansion registrations to your user section quite easy. Just select the pack and registrations from it. Now press File and select user then press save here. You can then alter them. You can not how ever save them back to expansion. I make a folder called Expansions registrations on my user and save into this. They work fine from here as long as you keep the voice packs loaded in your expansion.

They can be loaded back  but is an advanced job to do there with YEM 

Regards,
Vali

[Tankdave]

You can save your Expansion registrations to your user section quite easy. Just select the pack and registrations from it. Now press File and select user then press save here. You can then alter them. You can not how ever save them back to expansion. I make a folder called Expansions registrations on my user and save into this. They work fine from here as long as you keep the voice packs loaded in your expansion.

Hi Eileen
When I'm in the Expansion section the "file" options are greyed-out except "Save" and all that does is save the current reg.