My First week of having Genos and a brief comparison with my Tyros5 and KorgPa4x

[bluali]

Finally I got my Genos and I did a very brief comparison with my Tyros5 Keyboard. I was surprised that the main Sounds are  all the same on both keyboards. However I like the Genos design and light weight. Overall if you have Tyros5, don't rush! I could not find a big difference sound-wise. To me, Genos is like re-packaging of Tyros5 with different look and feel. I recorded my comparison with an iphone camera and shared it on YouTube ( https://youtu.be/4U8S28tz3Mg ). I apologize for my poor English speaking. I hope the video helps.

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Added in 4/12/2018:
Genos is the best Yamaha arranger so far and Tyros5 is also very close to Genos. Obviously those who have had keyboards such as Korg, PSR series or even TY3/4, they can be very impressed by Genos (and Tyros5).  As a mater of fact in main sounds such as Piano and Guitar and Violin, etc, there is not a huge differences between Genos and Tyros5. What I meant in my post to show that if you have Tyros5 do not rush for buying Genos! you still have a great keyboard! However, the arranger applications is not all about the sounds, I see Genos is more advanced and better than TY5 in other aspects such as weight , design, ease of use in live performances, better effects,etc .
I am so glad that Yamaha usually listens to people and noticed that the "Search" feature that I had mentioned in my YouTube Video was added recently to Genos and it is so helpful.(Thank you Yamaha! ) )

[travlin-easy]

Your English is as good as the locals here. Where to do you live in Maryland?

Gary 

[panos]

Nice keyboards there Bluali,

I like the Youtube auto translator's English.
Genos is either Gena's or Genus.
And Tyrus is Titus,Tires or even a Tiger!
Nice function though,it helps a lot.

[bluali]

Your English is as good as the locals here. Where to do you live in Maryland?

Gary 

Thanks Gary, I live in North Bethesda .

[Lloyd E]

Only about 99% disagree with you.  Lloyd (owner of a Genos)

[EileenL]

Not a good set up to demonstrating voices. My Genos pianos are much better that they were on Tyros 5 and I think a lot would agree.

[AudioProCT]

May I suggest creating a midi file of a piano passage that demonstrates all the qualities of playing, higher octave lower octave, sustain, rapid play notes, big chordal passages.

Then set up all keyboards to record to a DAW, setting gain structure and levels to 0db

Then you can record the same passage, then first with headphones, determine your findings,

Then have this playback through your performance speaker, and without moving, listen to them all in the same location, then I think you will actually have a more unbiased and realistic opinion.

[Gandalf43]

Hi Bluali,

I agree with you 100% but I can understand commercial and lobbyist attitudes
Over here the Genos doesn't sell at all well which is not so good for the manufacturer and dealers.

It is good for all those who bought a Genos and love it. I am interested to hear some music which
shows the one step ahead of the Tyros.

Cheers
Udo

PS. That reminds me of a great song:
Tyros was my first love ......and it might be my last 

[guitpic1]

I've had the Tyros 4 as well as the keyboards you see in my signature.  I'm trying out the Genos... have a good 15 hours plus on it.

The sounds of the styles/voices on the Genos are every bit as good as anything I've owned.  Truth is, to me, I think they are better than anything I've owned.

Love the screen, layout and controls of Genos.  There's not much to dislike on the Genos.

That said, you can listen/read about the Genos, but until you spend some time with it, it's hard to understand why many owners like it so much.

[ash1]

i had a chance to try out the Genos a few weeks back at my local dealer and have since decided not to buy it
i really thought the sound was going to be better well far superior to the tyros 5
but like the video above points out the sounds are pretty much the same for the most part
all be it rehashed styles called new styles 
im gutted i really wanted to buy the Genos
i will hold on to my tyros 5 and see what comes down the line maybe a Genos 2
i will probably not buy another arranger now though i cant see a Genos 2 being released for a couple of years
i expect the Genos price to come down a fair bit quite quickly over the next few months
i have heard from a good source that sales are not as good as they thought they would be at this point



all the best ash1

[AudioProCT]

I've sold over 60 in 3 months, much better seller so far than the Tyros 5. The main reason sales are not as good for a lot of stores, it that there is an allocation system, so stores are having a hard time getting Genos in. I am constantly waiting for shipments to send out to customers, when the Tyros 5 was released, there was no problem in getting them in, never a backorder of more than a week or so

[keynote]

If you like the Tyros 5 then by all means keep it. Different strokes for different folks as they say. The main thing is to enjoy what you play. The musician does make a considerable difference in the grand scheme of things. A skilled musician can make just about any keyboard sound good. Another critical piece of the puzzle is the actual sound system you run the keyboard through. Buying a high-end keyboard is an expensive undertaking although if you run it through a cheap sound system don't blame the keyboard if it doesn't sound all that great. Cables are another piece of the puzzle too. Buy some excellent cables that are highly rated and you might be surprised the difference they can make. With pristine sound and authenticity being the real goal the Genos improves upon the process with 32 bit digital to analog converters which helps the Genos produce a cleaner more pristine sound. The REVO! drum kits are vastly superior to the Tyros 5 drum kits I might add also. Here is a recent video by Peter Baartmans that is an excellent illustration on just how good the Genos can sound in a live setting using a decent setup and a brilliant delivery by the man himself.

Peter Baartmans playing the Genos

Mike

[stephenm52]

I like what Audioworks wrote, I believe he is right on.  I also have to go along with Guitpic1, the Genos is probably the best sound arranger I've owned.   I can never be completely sold watching a You tube video which is the same reason I did not buy a Genos until I played it hands on. 


I believe LLoyd E is on to something 99% of the folks who bought them think they are great.  I write this not because I have to justify the dollars spent.  I've got 2 other arrangers, 3 more if you count my CVP 307 in the mix.  If I didn't think the Genos was worth it, it would have been sold already.

[vanray]

THANKYOU ! bluali

This really  confirms my suspicions
There really is no difference between the Tryos 5 and the Genos
regarding sound quality.
I listened with my EYES-SHUT .

90% of Music is usually listened to ON-LINE , via sources like Youtube , & Social Media.
I dont believe the Hype, but i do believe my Ears .

[vanray]

i had a chance to try out the Genos a few weeks back at my local dealer and have since decided not to buy it
i really thought the sound was going to be better well far superior to the tyros 5
but like the video above points out the sounds are pretty much the same for the most part

Totally Agree !

[EileenL]

You have to play it for yourself and here it live to appreciate the quality of sound. Even my old Tyros 5 registrations sound miles better in Genos.

[rattley]

I've had my Genos since mid-November. I still have my Tyros 5. I haven't been very aggressive trying to sell it. Was hoping to find a local buyer. It is currently listed on eBay. I play my Genos several times a week. I've had a few interested people over to hear Tyros 5.  I hid the Genos (really!!) and hooked up Tyros 5 in its place playing thru the same stereo system I have had for years. The first time I did this I immediately noticed how lackluster the Tyros 5 sounded compared to Genos.  I certainly never felt that way before when I only had the Tyros 5.  After these demonstrations and these nice folks left I hooked up the Genos and played.  I loved my Tyros 5 the entire 3 years I owned it. Now my ears have been delighted by the way Genos sounds.  For me, sound quality and voice realism are why I upgrade.  Not so much the other new features.  I can only dream as to what will follow Genos !!  -charley

[StuartR]

You have to play it for yourself and here it live to appreciate the quality of sound. Even my old Tyros 5 registrations sound miles better in Genos.

Agree. I had both the Tyros 5 and Genos side by side and sold the Tyros 5 a week later. All in all, the Genos was a much improved design.

[metcam]

Agree. I had both the Tyros 5 and Genos side by side and sold the Tyros 5 a week later. All in all, the Genos was a much improved design.

Same here. Sold Tyros5.

GENOS is much much better in all ways.

Very happy with GENOS.

Regards

[Gandalf43]

Hi friends,

now that we have heard a lot of pros and cons,  lets compete with some
great music done with the wonderful options we have.

A great Sunday to all of you, Genos and Tyros lovers 

Udo

[tyrosman]

Genos is far better all Round

[Bud2]

All I can say is when I sat and played my T5 Registrations on the Genos I was really impressed, then I played with the new OTS on the Genos and was so impressed I emailed my dealer and told him I didn't need to play his shop one when it arrived to decide if I wanted one or not because I had played one at the Yamaha Weekend and was blown away by it so I wanted the first one he had in stock.
Bill

[Grayfox]

I think it's worth pointing out that some people don't have very good hearing and are not therefore going to benefit from the greatly improved sound and also if you wear hearing aids they are not any good for music only speech, unless you pay a lot for them.
Graham

[Gandalf43]

If you use your headphones upside down everything sounds much better 

[StuartR]

I think it's worth pointing out that some people don't have very good hearing and are not therefore going to benefit from the greatly improved sound and also if you wear hearing aids they are not any good for music only speech, unless you pay a lot for them.
Graham

My hearing has gone to seed but I can still tell the difference thanks to what I perceive as a big increase in dynamic range.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

The Tyros 5 is boxy sounding compared to the Genos
That is being highly critical

The Genos is much sharper sounding than the Tyros

I reply to Udo about headphones .-------- I could not fathom out when panning a sound on my headphones, the sound came out the opposite side. left would be right  and right woul be left.
I sat down thinking ,what is up with these flaming  headphones and after a cup of tea I realised you can turn them around on your head.
One of my blond moments

All the Best
John

[StuartR]

If you use your headphones upside down everything sounds much better 

I'm gonna have to try that. Kinda the chin strap effect!😁

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

That must be the Donald Trump method!!!

[KeyboardByBiggs]

I sat down thinking ,what is up with these flaming  headphones and after a cup of tea I realised you can turn them around on your head.
One of my blond moments

LOL For a moment I thought they might be metric!

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi

Anyone saying the Genos is not the Instrument they thought It was are deluded.
I have the Genos and DXR8's In the home and when you set everyhing up things sound flat  and you get a little bewildered.
It is only when you sit down and think about your moves the bigger picture unfolds.
I have made six registrations now and practicing as much as I can.
I am going to take my time over these six registrations and get them to sound as professional as I can for my own satisfaction.
A lot of people compare the Genos with other keyboards and moan, but they have not looked at the real deal here.
I set my sounds up and things were not as I would like them. Some muddy and some toppy etc.

Since I have been experimenting with the eq for each section  and all the other little enhancements on my monitors the sounds are very much quality and alive when playing through my DXR8's.
You can get the drums sounding absolutely fantastic and the styles plus your Instruments.
The Tyros 5 is not a patch on the Genos even if there are a few bugs which I hear will be sorted out on the 25th of this month.

Well, since I have been having a fiddle I have not looked back.
A bit of loving care with the Genos and It is a Genius
Big tip** do not bother with the  Genos speakers at £300. Get those DXR8's for a £1000 and never look back. Once tuned In they blow your mind for quality.
Change the Genos three times and the DXR 8's will pay for themselves and last a lifetime.
Well mine anyway at 67. I will have to get some flying lessons In or I'm going down!!
I can also keep my spirits up with a slug of red eye!!


All the Best
John