Gap in note in midi files!

Started by Toril S, December 21, 2017, 07:46:32 PM

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Toril S

Hello friends :) There is a problem when I create a midi song on my S970. Not always, but often enough that it is beginning to irritate me. Here is what happens: I play a song and record it on the keyboard using the MIDI recorder. i hear nothing wrong while playing, but when I play back the song, there is a small gap in a note! A small, but distinct pause in the voice, and it doesn't sound good. I have to do several takes before I get the song right. The gap occurs at the same place in the song each time, but eventually I get it right. What is this? I hate to have this problem on a new, expensive keyboard!!  Maybe there is something I can do to avoid getting these gaps? Have any of you experienced this, or do I have a faulty machine? I use the MIDI recorder all the time, and did this on my old 2100 also. There I never had this problem, but then I used only preset styles.
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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Fred Smith

You need to post an example (Good and bad) so we can examine the midi to see the cause.

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MBedesem

Toril:
I looked in the FAQ and found the following:

F.163. Why sometimes the Right 3 voice does not sound when enabled

That usually happens because the R3 split point has moved and left a gap between itself and the Style and Left split points. Make sure the R3 split is butted up against the other right hand voices with no gap, (even a semitone gap is significant) and it should work as you want. If you want to prevent registrations from moving it, set it as you want then go to Parameter Lock and put a tick in Split Point. (John) 

E.27.  How to eliminate the pause when voices are changed with a reg or OTS

There is one effective solution to the problem, but it only works if you use two single voices per piece.

Set Right 1 to Voice 1, and Right 2 to Voice 2. Then I make two registrations: In one I mute Right 2, and in the second I mute Right 1. Now, if I change between these two registration settings (I effectively change from Voice 1 to Voice 2), there are no glitches, because deep within both voices are actually processed at once... I know, not a really elegant solution, and it only works for two voices, but I thought I might mention it anyway.

Another reason could be if you have changed effects in the middle of the midi. It often takes time for the new effect to load and settle. This will disrupt the sound.

If you look at the midi data, is the duration of the note what you would have expected? You can see this easliy in MixMaster Note View.

Regards,

Michael


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Toril S

Thank you Fred and Michael. The glitch usually happens a little time after I change to another voice. It can be heard only in the MIDI recording.
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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SeaGtGruff

It can take a moment or two for the keyboard to process the Bank Select, Program Change, Control Change, and other messages associated with switching from one voice to another. That's probably one of the reasons why Yamaha usually puts all of the setup messages in a separate measure of their own at the beginning of a song or style file, and start the actual Note messages in the second measure. When you switch voices in the middle of recording a song, you should generally try to leave a little bit of silence between the final note of the old voice and the initial note of the new voice, and switch voices (presumably by switching registrations?) a moment or two before you need to actually start playing with the new voice, to help ensure that the keyboard has time to make all the necessary changes before the first note of the new voice. If you're using punch in (or whatever it's called), you might need to make sure you punch in early to record the setting changes.

Toril S

Thank you Michael :) And merry Christmas :)
Toril S

Genos, Tyros 5, PSR S975, PSR 2100
and PSR-47.
Former keyboards: PSR-S970.

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