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PSR-E433 Amplified Acoustic Guitar Sound

Started by SciNote, December 04, 2017, 06:13:37 AM

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SciNote

It has been said that the guitar sounds on the PSR-E4-series keyboards are, well, less than optimal.  So, I wanted to see if I could come up with something better.  I think this comes pretty close!  The sample I recorded here is actually two separate recordings which I blended together.  The first part has some classic rock inspirations from Yes and Heart, and then I fade in some jazz/blues improv, and have a little fun with the pitch-bend wheel to try to add to the realism.

https://app.box.com/s/mtbrl42vsbnu2fr74kqo71qzo583f0o0

Here are the settings.  They should work on any PSR-E4-series keyboard with the two main sounds, but of course, the actual sound numbers may be different than what they are on the E433.

MAIN VOICE:
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DynNyln (39)
Volume .......... 72
Octave ........... -1
Pan ............... 64
Reverb .......... 64
Chorus .......... 52
Attack ........... 64
Release ......... 64
CutOff ........... 80
Resonance ..... 64

DUAL VOICE
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Jazz Gtr (43)
Volume .......... 80
Octave ........... -1
Pan ................ 64
Reverb ........... 64
Chorus ........... 52
Attack ............ 64
Release .......... 64
CutOff ............ 80
Resonance ...... 64

Reverb Setting: 03 (Hall3)
Chorus Setting: 3 (Flanger1)

In actuality, the CutOff setting was actually 79 when I recorded the samples, but I rounded to 80 here.  I doubt there would be an audible difference in the sound.

I did use a sustain pedal on parts of the classic rock section.
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios

SeaGtGruff

I enjoyed that very much! The last two-fifths or so, when you started using the Pitch Bend Wheel, was especially guitar-like. :)

SciNote

Thanks!  Yeah, with a sound like a guitar, since a guitarist will often bend the pitch when playing, using the pitch-bend wheel definitely adds to the realism.  Another thing that can make many tones sound more guitar-like is to simply play the notes E, A, D, G, B, and E in a quick, accumulating succession, because those are the notes of the six strings of a guitar.  And, that is what I do at the beginning of the recording!
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
Past: Yamaha PSR-520, PSR-510, PSR-500, DX-7, D-80 home organ, and a few Casios

pquenin

Thank you for sharing this, I love Runabout by YES. I have the sound on the PSR-E453. Too bad that there is no modulation wheel, I think it's indispensable for guitar playing...

vbdx66

Hi Bob,

Nice job and thanks for sharing your experiences with us. This sounds really far better than the default guitar sounds on the PSR E4xx. I'll try that as soon as I get a portable keyboard again, either an used PSR E433 or new PSR E453.

Would you venture the same thing for electric guitar? These PSR E4xx are really missing a nice distorted electric guitar sound IMHO.

@pquenin : which parameter are you using the mod wheel for in a guitar sound? I thought the pitch bend wheel was sufficient. Also, can you not use the Live knobs to modulate the distorsion on the PSR E453?

Best Regards  to all,

Vinciane
Past keyboards: PSR E313, PSR E413, PSR E433, PSR S550, DGX 640, upright piano.
Now: DGX 650, Casio CT-X800.

pquenin

@Vinciane : when you play a real guitar, you often bend the strings but also add some more subtil vibrato at the end of a music phrase or on some keynotes, and personally I love to bend and then add some vibrato just after.  You can simulate this with the pitch-bend wheel and modulation wheel (that most of the time control the vibrato depth) on a keyboard.

I have not tried to use the live knobs to modulate the distorsion, but it will not solve the lack of a modulation wheel.
I was a bit disappointed that Yamaha have not made it possible to control the modulation (CC01) with a live control knob.

I agree that the PSR-Exx are missing nice distorted electic guitar sounds, I have tried to stack diiferents sounds and use the DSP to elaborate a decent sound but I can achieve a good result. That's also why I am tempted by a PSR-S670 because I love playing electric guitar on the keyboard, and this keyboard have great distorted electic guitar sounds.