"Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off"

zionip · November 20, 2017, 11:33:40 AM

A Genos owner Paul Jones discovered that "Auto Power Off" did not work.

The Genos came with "Auto Power Saving" at 5 min and "Auto Power Off" at 30 min, but these two options did not work on mine. I turned on "Auto Power Saving" to 5 min, and "Auto Power off" to 10 min as testing. Both did not seem to work, the Genos stays on. Then I tried different combinations of time values for these two options, and they both did not work.

I personally prefer both "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" to be disabled though. The owner's manual page 24 shows short cut to disabling both features "Turn the power on while holding down the lowest key on the keyboard. A message appears briefly and Auto Power Off and Auto Power Saving are disabled."

Paul

markstyles · November 20, 2017, 12:13:30 PM

Auto Power off works on my Genos.. I've tried different times too. I leave it at 2 hours now.. Since there is no hard drive, I see no problem, other than using electricity..

zionip · November 20, 2017, 12:39:21 PM

Quote from: markstyles on November 20, 2017, 12:13:30 PM
Auto Power off works on my Genos.. I've tried different times too. I leave it at 2 hours now.. Since there is no hard drive, I see no problem, other than using electricity..

Interesting. That is good for you that "Auto Power Off" works on your Genos.

Which time values did you set "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" to? I was impatient, and so only tested the shortest time settings, which did not work.

I still prefer "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" to be disabled anyway. It is out of curiosity that I want to know why these options work for you, but not me.

Thanks,
Paul

zionip · November 20, 2017, 03:21:56 PM

I got an interim post on this thread that confirmed that the "Auto Power Off" for Genos works, with initial setting of 30 minutes. I tested my Genos using the same setting for "Auto Power Off", together with 10 minutes for "Auto Power Saving", these features still do not work for my Genos.

When I returned to this thread, the interim post was deleted.

Personally, I prefer these "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" options to be disabled. Just curious why these published features work on some, but not all Genos.

Maybe I should stop trying to know whether these options work or not, and move on.

Paul

Kokoriz · November 20, 2017, 04:50:39 PM

And I thought something wrong with my Genos when I went back to my music room and the Genos was turned off and I know I left it on. Didn't know there was such Power Saving feature. Thanks for this info!

zionip · November 20, 2017, 05:02:53 PM

Quote from: Kokoriz on November 20, 2017, 04:50:39 PM
And I thought something wrong with my Genos when I went back to my music room and the Genos was turned off and I know I left it on. Didn't know there was such Power Saving feature. Thanks for this info!

I'm glad it works for you.

What are your time value settings on "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off"? Menu - Menu2 - Utility - System.

Thanks,
Paul

Kokoriz · November 20, 2017, 05:31:46 PM

Quote from: zionip on November 20, 2017, 05:02:53 PM
I'm glad it works for you.

What are your time value settings on "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off"? Menu - Menu2 - Utility - System.

Thanks,
Paul

I am at work at the moment but I'll check later on tonight after work, got 5 more hours to go. Thanks

maartenb · November 21, 2017, 04:52:12 AM

My Genos turns off after 30 min. I haven't tried the other values.

I have no idea what the "Power Save" mode does.

Maybe a wild idea: When my Genos turned off after 30 min it was running firmware v1.02. Now I am on v1.10, but haven't seen the Genos turn off. I thought it was because I played the instrument.

I'll do some tests when I have the opportunity.

Maarten

zionip · November 21, 2017, 04:56:12 AM

Quote from: maartenb on November 21, 2017, 04:52:12 AM
My Genos turns off after 30 min. I haven't tried the other values.

I have no idea what the "Power Save" mode does.

Maybe a wild idea: When my Genos turned off after 30 min it was running firmware v1.02. Now I am on v1.10, but haven't seen the Genos turn off. I thought it was because I played the instrument.

I'll do some tests when I have the opportunity.

Maarten

Hi Maarten,

You might have found the answer. I confirm at firmware revision 1.10, Genos does not auto power off, at least for me and another guy Paul Jones.

You can test by setting "Auto Power Saving" to 5 minutes (for screen saving), and "Auto Power Off" to 10 minutes. I try many combinations of these 2 values but none of them work at firmware level 1.10.

Paul

DavidB · November 21, 2017, 05:48:35 AM

My Genos on 1.10 auto powers off at 30 minutes.

This is what is set under the Utility/System menu item.

I must admit in the same place it is also set to Auto Power Saving 5 minutes but I have no idea what that does (haven't read that part of the manual yet).

I have not used a 'shortcut' to disable them and I'm pretty sure if I wanted to I would do it from the same menu items.

Regards,

Pauljones · November 21, 2017, 07:05:24 AM

The power save is to dim the display brightness. My was set to 1 which is the lowest level, therefore it does not do anything at all. If you were going to put the brightness of the screen up, it should dim itself after the set time.

Pauljones · November 21, 2017, 04:17:30 PM

Paul,

Something strange happen today. I set the auto power off to 5 min yesterday, knowing that the Genos won't switch off, so I left it for a while. It switched itself off when I was away from the Keyboard. I tried it again,( time it this time ) the Keyboard switched itself off after 5 minutes. '!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul

Kokoriz · November 21, 2017, 10:12:46 PM

Here's my default settings. See attached photo.

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zionip · November 21, 2017, 11:59:43 PM

Quote from: Pauljones on November 21, 2017, 04:17:30 PM
Paul,

Something strange happen today. I set the auto power off to 5 min yesterday, knowing that the Genos won't switch off, so I left it for a while. It switched itself off when I was away from the Keyboard. I tried it again,( time it this time ) the Keyboard switched itself off after 5 minutes. '!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paul

Hi Paul,

I am glad that now "Auto Power Off" of Genos works for you. I set the "Auto Power Saving" to 5 minutes, and "Auto Power Off" to 30 minutes, then walked away and had my dinner and watched some online movie. I returned to my Genos after 1 hour and 3 minutes, and it was still powered on.

Do you still remember what specifically you had to do before these features started to work? Did your Genos's Auto Power Off suddenly started to work?

Paul

Pauljones · November 22, 2017, 12:25:16 AM

Hi Paul,

I don't recall doing anything special, that's the weird bit. I might have turn the "auto power saving" to off, as it was at the lowest setting, 1, which have no effect anyway.

Paul

Pauljones · November 22, 2017, 03:49:16 AM

Hi Paul,

Just tested again, it'll work only with "auto power saving" OFF.

zionip · November 22, 2017, 08:49:29 AM

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your information.

I tried mine, and it still does not work. I cannot explain this - same firmware, same auto power settings, different results.

Paul

dragon · November 22, 2017, 09:55:48 AM

Quote from: zionip on November 22, 2017, 08:49:29 AM
Hi Paul,

Thanks for your information.

I tried mine, and it still does not work. I cannot explain this - same firmware, same auto power settings, different results.

Paul

I am having the same results as you. i.e firmware 1.10 switch off not working.
Really need a firmware upgrade ref the glitches that have been reported so far.
Cheers Carol

DavidB · November 22, 2017, 10:04:56 AM

Could this have something to do with using the power save shortcut rather than going through the menu each time?

I haven't used the short cut, ever, only the menu items, I'm on 1.10 and it all works as it should.

I'm sure it sounds crazy but computers being computers... I wonder if you've used the shortcut to disable the feature if you need to use the shortcut to re-enable it before the menu items will take any notice of you?

I also wonder if this isn't something where you need to recycle the power after every change?

Just some ideas because it does seem odd the same keyboards on the same OS should behave differently.

markstyles · November 22, 2017, 10:32:41 AM

Settings for me were 15 minutes and 2 hours.. When I got it, the power off was at shortest.. Frustrating for me, that worked two.. I use the Genos in my home studio, so tend to turn it on, and leave on all day.. (work on music, go for a walk, work on music, do laundry, etc). Not sure if this still applies, but in the old days (70's) recording studios I worked in, said it was less strain, on components to leave on all the time, The power on/off, ran more of a risk of component failure.. Being retired, (limited income) and living in NYC.. leaving things on all the time, adds up to considerable $$$ from Con Ed..

Updated firmware yesterday on Genos, power saving/ on/off still works fine. Stange some peoples machine work and others don't.. Implies that it's hardware (to me)

dragon · November 22, 2017, 11:22:52 AM

Quote from: DavidB on November 22, 2017, 10:04:56 AM
Could this have something to do with using the power save shortcut rather than going through the menu each time.

I used the menu every time.
Last time I tried it I powered off, powered on, went to Menu/Utility/System. Had Auto Power Saving Disabled. Auto Power off set to 5 min. Exit. I made sure that I did not touch a Registration just in case my last previous setting was set in a Registration. Left the Genos and came back to it long after the off time was set and it was still on.
Cheers Carol

zionip · November 22, 2017, 01:29:11 PM

Quote from: DavidB on November 22, 2017, 10:04:56 AM
Could this have something to do with using the power save shortcut rather than going through the menu each time?

I haven't used the short cut, ever, only the menu items, I'm on 1.10 and it all works as it should.

I'm sure it sounds crazy but computers being computers... I wonder if you've used the shortcut to disable the feature if you need to use the shortcut to re-enable it before the menu items will take any notice of you?

I also wonder if this isn't something where you need to recycle the power after every change?

Just some ideas because it does seem odd the same keyboards on the same OS should behave differently.

Hi David,

The short cut, pressing the lowest key while powering up the Genos, only disables "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" optoins. The short cut is not a toggle - performing the short cut the second time, which I tested, does not re-enable "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off".

I have been using Menu - Menu2 - Utility - System to access "Auto Power Saving" and "Auto Power Off" options.

I even performed Factory Reset on System, have "Auto Power Saving" set to 5 minutes, and "Auto Power Off" set to 30 minutes, rebooted Genos multiple times, but these two options still do not work on my Genos with firmware 1.10.

I am puzzled by this inconsistent behaviors of different Genos with same firmware on these two Auto Power options too.

Paul

DavidB · November 22, 2017, 01:46:32 PM

OK, one other difference, although I'm not entirely sure on this one. It was suggested in the early days of Genos deliveries that the European models had to have different power supplies fitted? I'm still amazed if this is true, but I wonder if PSU/Voltage doesn't play a part.

My working model is on a UK 240AC Power Supply.

Regards,

zionip · November 22, 2017, 03:06:49 PM

Quote from: DavidB on November 22, 2017, 01:46:32 PM
OK, one other difference, although I'm not entirely sure on this one. It was suggested in the early days of Genos deliveries that the European models had to have different power supplies fitted? I'm still amazed if this is true, but I wonder if PSU/Voltage doesn't play a part.

My working model is on a UK 240AC Power Supply.

Regards,

I see. My Genos model is for North America.

The owner's manual of Genos, and the Yamaha product website do not mention whether the built-in power supply is multi-voltage or single voltage. I assume that Genos is a ARM based computer running Linux OS dedicated to providing arranger keyboard functionalities, so I speculate that Genos built-in power supply should be multi-voltage, like any laptop or desktop computers. Yamaha just include different power cables for Genos for different markets, like type G for UK, and type US ( see Plug and socket types https://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/ ). I assume Yamaha uses same multi-voltage power supplies on all Genos to reduce their manufacturing costs, which is good for travelling musicians.

I still prefer the Genos to be on all the time. So these 2 auto power options are not significant to me. I am just doing fact finding to satisfy curiosity why these auto power options work on some but not all Genos at the same firmware level. From the stand point of software engineering, same hardware with same software and same parameter settings should have the same result on identical products.

Thanks,
Paul

DavidB · November 22, 2017, 04:20:12 PM

PSU Labels for USA and UK. Not sure what any other countries might say. It doesn't tell us much of course but it might explain the difference in behaviour all other points being equal.

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zionip · November 22, 2017, 04:30:31 PM

Quote from: DavidB on November 22, 2017, 04:20:12 PM
PSU Labels for USA and UK. Not sure what any other countries might say. It doesn't tell us much of course but it might explain the difference in behaviour all other points being equal.

Hi David,

You are right.

Yamaha put single voltage power supplies on Genos for different markets. This could affect the results of "Auto Power" options on different Genos. I am eager to hear from owners of Genos is US about how these "Auto Power" options work on theirs.

So far it looks like the Genos in UK (230V 50Hz) and the Netherlands (230V 50Hz) have the "Auto Power" options working, whereas the same options do not work on my US Genos (120V 60Hz).

Thanks,
Paul

dragon · November 22, 2017, 05:48:33 PM

Sorry to spoil your theory but my Genos is a UK Model with auto shut off not working.
Cheers Carol

zionip · November 22, 2017, 06:29:28 PM

Quote from: dragon on November 22, 2017, 05:48:33 PM
Sorry to spoil your theory but my Genos is a UK Model with auto shut off not working.
Cheers Carol

Hi Carol,

Thanks for letting me know.

So now back to square one, why the "Auto Power" options work on some Genos but not all remains a mystery.

Paul

alans · November 27, 2017, 04:04:01 PM

Hi Paul

Another one to add to your list of "working" Genos auto off

Version 1.10 UK model

Alan

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zionip · November 27, 2017, 04:10:33 PM

Thanks Alan.

My US Genos does not support these 2 Auto Power options.

Eileen also mentioned that her Genos does not work for these 2 Auto Power options as well. A Genos owner said that he fixed this issue by removing the USB stick in the front / top USB slot. I tried his suggestion, but still no luck.

Paul