Change key

Emerson · Mar 30, 2025, 04:23 PM

Hi again, I have recorded a Song in the key of C and then want to make another copy of it in the key of Bb.
Where do I save it permanent in that key. Can not find any solution in Digital Recording or Mixing Console on my PSR 2000.

Sam Wacker · Mar 31, 2025, 08:11 AM

Quote from: Emerson on Mar 30, 2025, 04:23 PMHi again, I have recorded a Song in the key of C and then want to make another copy of it in the key of Bb.
Where do I save it permanent in that key. Can not find any solution in Digital Recording or Mixing Console on my PSR 2000.

QUICK FIX: Assuming the song is in MIDI format you can use a program like PSRUTIL to change key, then load the new MIDI into your keyboard and save it. For key changes I would recommend adding this to the song title.

Emerson · Mar 31, 2025, 06:27 PM

Ok, it would have been much easier if it was possible to change direct in the PSR2000 in some way. For instance first with the Transpose-button and then save it as a new Song or change the key in the same way you can change the tempo for the Song in Sys/Ex in SongCreater.

Emerson · Mar 31, 2025, 06:45 PM

It seems that PSRUTI doesn't work with MAC iMac so that wasn't any help for me.

aprilla · Mar 31, 2025, 06:59 PM

Quote from: Emerson on Mar 31, 2025, 06:27 PMOk, it would have been much easier if it was possible to change direct in the PSR2000 in some way. For instance first with the Transpose-button and then save it as a new Song or change the key in the same way you can change the tempo for the Song in Sys/Ex in SongCreater.

If you have Registrations, I think you do on the PSR2000, transpose it and save it as a registration. It should then play back transposed from the Reg button. Maybe that would suit?

mikf · Apr 01, 2025, 07:59 AM

In home keyboard terms, PSR 2000 is pretty ancient. Maybe time to consider an upgrade. More recent keyboards all have ability to record a midi, edit almost anything, including key, then transfer it and save as an audio recording.
Mike

aprilla · Apr 01, 2025, 08:16 AM

I'm sure there must be many Mac options for changing the key signature, but I use Windows so am not familiar and can't recommend anything... though I did use Garage Band once. Maybe that would do it, if it still exists? It was a long time ago I used it.

Changing keyboard for this seems a bit drastic. However on my SX720 when I record, on the same screen there is a Transpose option, so it's right there. But once you start changing the + and - buttons there is no option to go back to your original recording and you can't 'see' what key you are now in, you rely on listening and remembering how many + or - you made away from your original key. I admit to finding it a bit confusing and prefer software. For an existing recording I'm not sure how to go about it so I use Anvil Studio for this, it's free and does the job nicely. But I think it's Windows only.

Sam Wacker · Apr 01, 2025, 08:21 AM

Quote from: Emerson on Mar 31, 2025, 06:45 PMIt seems that PSRUTI doesn't work with MAC iMac so that wasn't any help for me.

Gosh I can feel your frustration! That'll teach me to second-guess what OS people use.
Here's a link to some free MIDI software that work on a variety of platforms including Mac.

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Unless people have the same keyboard as you do, have solved this problem before and are willing to share, it can be difficult to suggest something other than a work-around - unless the approach is the same for several Yamaha keyboards of the same era.

aprilla · Apr 01, 2025, 08:28 AM

I've just remembered that the midikar group have some new online software that might do this for you. Check out the website (it's old, don't judge it by looks) and see if KaraJam ~ Play4Me will do what you want.

I've not used it but am familiar with the midkar group a long time and trust them.
Because it's a bit confusing to navigate there I've added the direct link LOL

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mikf · Apr 01, 2025, 03:57 PM

Quote from: aprilla on Apr 01, 2025, 08:16 AMChanging keyboard for this seems a bit drastic.

But there are many reasons to be ugrading this very old keyboard ...it is unsupportable, and still uses a floppy disc for goodness sake. And as a bonus this key change problem would be solved.

aprilla · Apr 01, 2025, 04:06 PM

This article from Yamaha might help

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I'm slow to buy new, I like to get to know what I have and that takes me forever. I would still be using my S900 if its screen hadn't died. And before that a 5700 might still be with me if I hadn't blown it up (transformer accident). I have my fingers well crossed this one lasts

Emerson · Apr 06, 2025, 01:51 PM

Thanks for the article from Yamaha, I have seen it in the Swedish manual.

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6) Use the '1' - '8' or LCD buttons located below the screen to select the desired transposition amounts for each Track of the Song.

NOTE: All the Tracks (except for the rhythm track) must be transposed in the same amount in order to transpose the whole Song.

7) When finished, press the [D] 'EXECUTE' LCD button.

Press the 'SAVE' button.
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BUT...I do not understand the NOTE that says "don't transposed the rhythm track".
I have tried to tranpose all of the tracks BUT I don't know where the rhythm track is to find.