Genos 2 Style Creator

[Sokratis1974]

I cannot understand why everyone is moaning.
The external Style Creator is FAB!! The internal one is a bit of a fiddle.
I have not got one complaint yet that i cannot get over. making music in midi and converting to wave and mix. That should be it.
If you want samples , then Sample Robot is first choice.
if you want more fun , then VST.
Sky is the limit.
How many of us will get a number 1 hit in our lifetime???
Just have fun.You have had your 15 minutes!!!

If you are swapping a Genos 1 over for a 2 then you have still a bargain.
Remember is is 6 years old.

As it happens in life, so in our case, you cannot understand the other's problem if you have not experienced it. And don't forget that in this post we are not talking about Genos 1 but Genos 2. The very serious limitations that have they do not exist only been there since Genos 1, but they start from a long time ago and reach today. Personally, I would very much like to buy Genos 2 and combine it with Event/Event X but it will offer me almost nothing more (on a creative level) than the Genos 1 that I have today, and this is because, as I said before, the musical culture of my country (as also in many other countries) is such that it requires functions which are absent (generally from Yamaha). So, there would be no reason to complain if the 5000€ that Genos 2 costs included all the necessary functions that would justify what Genos says: Digital Workstation. And let me remind you that the term workstation means that an instrument can create a musical production onboard 100% without the need of any third-party software or any other help. So, does Genos 1 or Genos 2 do this? What do you say?

[gabrielschuck]

Excellent points, Gabriel.

I believe that over the years, the PSR, Tyros, and now Genos series have evolved very well, however, even with the addition of excellent voices these arrangers are still aimed at the home players - not the pros.

I play mostly on stage. Yamaha has given us excellent sounds but held back on the items a pro player needs, likely so they don't shoot themselves in the foot on Montage sales. This topic has been beaten to death on this forum but the bottom line is, for the pro player, Genos "feeds our battle but starves our victory." Sounds a bit harsh but when many of the requested and essential features professionals need are denied by Yamaha but have appeared on other models for years, it tells you Yamaha wants the home player to sound like a pro (which is a great thing) but the pro player should just pretend to be a home player on stage.

Note I mean no disrespect to those who simply enjoy parking the Genos for years of enjoyment in the living room. After years of stage playing, I get the feeling you're the smart ones !

We share the same opinion, my friend.
Unfortunately, we live in a world of consumerism, and Yamaha really likes to profit from it.
Of course, each person has a different profile, different needs, and can do whatever they want with their money.
I would find it wasteful to buy a Genos only to be used for playing at home and relaxing. Just as it would be crazy to have an acoustic piano solely for decoration, gathering dust and going out of tune over time.
Many people have that privilege and do it around here, instead of selling or even donating it to someone who would really appreciate having one.

In the case of a top-of-the-line arranger, those who do this aren't concerned with these details, which are essential in the life of a professional musician who is always seeking ways to make the most of their instrument.
I myself don't have a high purchasing power, but I managed to acquire a Tyros5, which was my dream, and I deluded myself with its voices, thinking I could expect a lot from the instrument.
As I've mentioned in other threads: I value my money a lot, but it seems that Yamaha doesn't value their workstations. In the past 5/6 years, from Genos to Genos 2, honestly, there should have been significant changes, don't you think?
For example, improving the sample player to match those of the Montage or Motif. Can you imagine how cool it would be to use the libraries of those keyboards on a workstation?
However, they brought in some additional voices and more styles as they always have.
Regards,
Gabriel

[BogdanH]

hi Gabriel,
I agree with you. But reality is, we all look at keyboards from slightly different perspectives and so the terms good, not good enough or even bad, doesn't necessary apply for all of us -which is sometimes hard to understand 

Yes, Genos2 is better than first Genos (successor always is). But if money is an issue (and for majority it is), then we must be rational at making decisions and the first question we need to answer is: how much (if at all) will I benefit by buying new "better" keyboard? And here's the difference between us, because some don't need to clearly answer that question. Many times, the fact of having the best, seems to be a reason enough.
I have PSR-SX700 and if I criticize keyboards that are better than mine, some might think that I'm just envy. But the truth is far from that. I'm only trying to answer the question above -it's something what everyone should do.

Bogdan

[gabrielschuck]

hi Gabriel,
I agree with you. But reality is, we all look at keyboards from slightly different perspectives and so the terms good, not good enough or even bad, doesn't necessary apply for all of us -which is sometimes hard to understand 

Yes, Genos2 is better than first Genos (successor always is). But if money is an issue (and for majority it is), then we must be rational at making decisions and the first question we need to answer is: how much (if at all) will I benefit by buying new "better" keyboard? And here's the difference between us, because some don't need to clearly answer that question. Many times, the fact of having the best, seems to be a reason enough.
I have PSR-SX700 and if I criticize keyboards that are better than mine, some might think that I'm just envy. But the truth is far from that. I'm only trying to answer the question above -it's something what everyone should do.

Bogdan

That's right, my friend.
Just as I criticize the Genos, which I certainly won't have the opportunity to own, I criticize the Tyros5—it's what I do most around here. I even use it as an example to provide general critiques of Yamaha keyboards because, in a way, I have the experience to do so, just like many who still own or have owned this keyboard.
All of these critiques are related to arranger/workstation features that are lacking or limited.
I remember that when the Tyros5 was launched, one of the major innovations was the Audio Styles feature. The keyboard incorporated the time stretch technology that only Yamaha can use.
In the end, what was left for tyros5 users? The ability to create styles using sliced loops. That is not the solution to all problems. And this came after the already announced Audio Styles, with the YEM.
The Recycle software has not been updated for over 10 years and will possibly be discontinued, along with the technology that, despite popularizing loop mapping, will become outdated.
I don't need to say what came next, right? The Audio Phraser, all buggy.
So, what was Yamaha trying to achieve with the audio styles? Copy Ketron, which has drum loops in its keyboards, and more? If that was the case, then it was poorly executed.
For me, it was a misstep and is something questionable, just like in another topic where there's an attempt to understand the reduction of user memory to 15 GB, which for many is a step backward in times of expandable and inexpensive memory.

Regarding the question you mentioned, I believe it's from the topic.
In terms of what it could bring, it was almost nothing.
Best regards,
Gabriel

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Life is too short
Make music
if you can make a number 1 record out from a £40 Casio  then it is "Da, Da,Da"!!
The Germans new how to do this,
I will never get a number 1 with a Genos 2,so what does that say??--"What"!!!  No Imagination"!!