Can you set up your own one-touch settings for your registration?

[GrannyRocks]

Or do you have to do multiple registrations? Can't figure it out.

Thanks,
Beth

[Christophermoment]

Or do you have to do multiple registrations? Can't figure it out.

Thanks,
Beth

If Genos2 works like Genos1. When you make OTS and save them, they are attached/embedded in the style which you save as a new style. If you use that new style and save it in the registration then the OTS are there also. Never actually done this myself but recall reading it somewhere (so I could be wrong). 

[GrannyRocks]

Somehow that didn't work. I made two OTSes and told it to save to the registration and included OTS. But I may have just done it wrong. Me? Wrong? haha. Thanks.

[Patrick]

Hi Beth, if you want to make an OTS registrations collection or banks; just save the OTS you want:
press Memory, button Registration 1, a pop up screen appear: don't tick style option; make the same until registration 10 and save to your USB or User drive (C); all the best Patrick 

[GrannyRocks]

Hi Patrick, I'm trying to make several OTSes within a registration -- not separate from them. Do I follow the same directions?

Thanks,
Beth

[Christophermoment]

Hi, see this video on how to make and save OTS; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfG8Z3leUio

Then when you are making a registration make sure you use the newly created style and you will have automatically save  the OTS included in that style. Make sense?

[GrannyRocks]

Sorry to be dense, but I have saved the OTS to the style in the registration, but if I want two or more, then what? How do I ensure that more than one OTS is saved?

[GrannyRocks]

I watched the video, and it's very informative. I'm going to try that. Thank you so much.

[Christophermoment]

Sorry to be dense, but I have saved the OTS to the style in the registration, but if I want two or more, then what? How do I ensure that more than one OTS is saved?

Okay I see what you mean now.  You have 10 registrations, right? Think of them as one bank. You can save one different style in each registration. Don't forget you can step through the registrations one at a time in any order you set up.

[GrannyRocks]

Got it. And when I go from one instrument to another within the style, the sound cuts off, even with my foot on the pedal. Is that lame, or is that me?

[richkeys]

Hi Beth,

I'm reading through this thread, and while I'm not an advanced user either, I think a bit of clarification is required here.

Leigh's YTube video, mentioned above, explains how to save the OTS's as a new User style. You can save 4 OTS's within a style and save the new style into User memory. This has really nothing to do with a registration unless you choose to make that style part of a registration, where you would have your newly made custom OTS style available in the registration, as Christopher says above.

Some people prefer to have their instruments change out using the registration bank buttons instead of having to save a new custom OTS style and pressing the 4 OTS buttons on the panel. Registration buttons 1-10 on Genos can have the same style saved in each of them for a song, but have diffrent RH1,2,3 instruments and variations programmed and saved in each one. So you get all your "OTS's" by pressing through the 10 buttons for your song instead of using only the 4 that the style OTS has. Leigh has also done a good video explaining how this is done, but I don't know the name of it off the top of my head. I put "OTS" in quotes up there because to me this method is not really called a style OTS, rather it's a registration bank button, and that may be confusing the explanations here.

Forgive me if you already know what I just explained. . Hopefully you'll get some more responses from the very knowledgeable people here.

Rich

[GrannyRocks]

Thanks. I had figured that all out, but it was great to get confirmation from you. So thanks! I'm still stuck on the abrupt endings of sounds as I go from one voice and one registration to another. I should probably put that question out on the forum tomorrow morning. (It's late here.) Again, thanks for reaching out.

[Des O]

There are 2 different ways to save, individual or groups. I have never use group registration always single song with up to 8 registrations in my play list.
You can save 10 + for each song if you wish just adjust each section to how you like 1,2,3,4 etc and save. When you go to another song it will ask you do you want to save, press yes and it will overwrite if it has changed.
You can also do this for group registrations/called playlists you can call up in the registration bank and there are videos on YT about this in the manual and by shops etc who sell keyboards and give demonstrations.

[maartenb]

I'm still stuck on the abrupt endings of sounds as I go from one voice and one registration to another.

This is normal.

The solution is to have the active voice first on Right1 for example, and the next voice on Right2 or Right3. This way, Right1 can "finish" the voice sound, and when R1 has become silent, you can use R1 again for another voice.


Maarten

[ton37]

In addition to @maartens tip: in regard to the voice-setting you whish to play and knowing the limitation of the Registration Memory in such situations, then organize your settings by using the part- select buttons. With all those funtions you have to be creative, not only in the music playing, but also in how to get the most out of my arranger. That's another dimension I like in 'playing' with an arranger. Allthought I realise that it is not everyones cup of tea ..😏

[soundphase]

This is normal.

The solution is to have the active voice first on Right1 for example, and the next voice on Right2 or Right3. This way, Right1 can "finish" the voice sound, and when R1 has become silent, you can use R1 again for another voice.


Maarten

Not totally sure it is the same situation, but globally, it seems to be the lack of "seamless sound switch".

From one registration to another, if parameters (voice choice, DSP choice and parameters, volumes, EQs, ...), are too different, you will hear "awful things" when you switch. The Genos engine "forgot" the old registration context while switching to the new one. The same resources are reallocated. (Otherwise it would be necessary to have double processor/DSP resources , just to manage this transition correctly).

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

If Genos2 works like Genos1. When you make OTS and save them, they are attached/embedded in the style which you save as a new style. If you use that new style and save it in the registration then the OTS are there also. Never actually done this myself but recall reading it somewhere (so I could be wrong). 

Hi Chris
By putting a sound assigned to the one touch button and style i found  for example playng Baker street-----------

Play intro with flute with Intro style and then press fill, then one touch with sax and the style and you do not get those glitches you sometimes get when changing registrations. 
Also helps when you want to change instruments on the same registration.
I found also doing what i did with Baker street easier to get to when in the throws of playing.
It is what really suits you, but getting to know the Genos more you find more little things that is more workable for you.
What i did there got me over what Soundphase is describing.
It got me from playng Intro to the sax riff before going into first verse then the rest as normal registration changes and all went without a glitch/hitch . I found this workaround worked.

All the Best
John

[ton37]

That's what I mean. That's the right attitude @John  The player must adjust the keyboard to his liking and not the other way around. Of course you can complain that there is no SSS, but you know that when purchasing. So just try to manage that or avoid getting into trouble with your composition. That does require some effort to get to know the keyboard. 

[soundphase]

That's what I mean. That's the right attitude @John  The player must adjust the keyboard to his liking and not the other way around. Of course you can complain that there is no SSS, but you know that when purchasing. So just try to manage that or avoid getting into trouble with your composition. That does require some effort to get to know the keyboard. 

Ok but when you manage 10 registrations, it's likely two of them are really different.

[GrannyRocks]

This is normal.

The solution is to have the active voice first on Right1 for example, and the next voice on Right2 or Right3. This way, Right1 can "finish" the voice sound, and when R1 has become silent, you can use R1 again for another voice.


Maarten

I'm sorry, Maarten. I am still confused. I put different sounds in R1, 2 and 3. But when I push the button to switch, the one I am playing is cut off abruptly. If I keep R1 on while hitting R2, I then will be playing both sounds. Are you suggesting I hit R2 but just wait to start playing before taking it off R1, for example? I must not be understanding. Thanks.

[GrannyRocks]

In addition to @maartens tip: in regard to the voice-setting you whish to play and knowing the limitation of the Registration Memory in such situations, then organize your settings by using the part- select buttons. With all those funtions you have to be creative, not only in the music playing, but also in how to get the most out of my arranger. That's another dimension I like in 'playing' with an arranger. Allthought I realise that it is not everyones cup of tea ..😏

Could you clarify? Are you adding a suggestion or just commenting on Maarten's? Thanks so much.

[Christophermoment]

Ok but when you manage 10 registrations, it's likely two of them are really different.

Okay I did this 10 years ago on a Tyros 4, but it shows how using a little planning you can avoid problems. I used 12 registrations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIBmfLFFI0U

[maartenb]

I put different sounds in R1, 2 and 3. But when I push the button to switch, the one I am playing is cut off abruptly.

Let's say only R1 is active (red). You play notes. Now you want to switch voice sounds.

You press R1 and R2 at the same time, making R1 inactive and R2 active (red). You can now play with the other voice sound (of R2), without cutting off the first voice sound (on R1).


Maarten

[GrannyRocks]

Wow. I didn't know that. I'm going to try that. Thanks!!!! Do you hit the buttons with your left hand?

[maartenb]

Could be. Right hand might sometimes be an option, too.

But if you want to program voices for a song, the Yamaha way of doing that is with Registrations. Not programming OTS in a style, not directly pressing the R1, R2, R3 buttons, but by pressing the registration button with either your left or right hand, or with your left foot on a switch (it goes to the next registration). Registrations are very powerful and are therefore in the center of the keyboard, literally.

But the same principle applies: In a registration you save a R1 being active, and in the next registration you keep the same voice in R1, but inactive, and put the new sound in R2, or R3, active.


Maarten

[GrannyRocks]

Okay, in the past with my G1, I used a registration per song. Are you saying I should use a registration per voice and the whole ten registrations are for one song? Then had do you play two voices together? memorize which registration is which? Sorry to keep bugging you, but I am trying to get clear. By the way, I used the OTCs and used the pedal at the end of the first voice going into the second, and it was better. Often I don't pedal those voices, because they shouldn't be, but I can do that at the end. I am NOT arguing for my way, just trying to learn something better.

[EileenL]

I often make up a registration band that is not linked to any style and this can be quite useful for just sitting and playing different styles with the sounds you have chosen. The beauty of being able to use three voices in a mix give nice rich sounds when playing certain songs like Big Band having a mix of Sax and trombone plus clarinet and panning the voices to what position they would be in the orchestra is fun to do.

[GrannyRocks]

Great idea.

[GrannyRocks]

But the same principle applies: In a registration you save a R1 being active, and in the next registration you keep the same voice in R1, but inactive, and put the new sound in R2, or R3, active.
Maarten

Interesting. Thanks.

[Fred Smith]

Okay, in the past with my G1, I used a registration per song. Are you saying I should use a registration per voice and the whole ten registrations are for one song? Then had do you play two voices together? memorize which registration is which? Sorry to keep bugging you, but I am trying to get clear. By the way, I used the OTCs and used the pedal at the end of the first voice going into the second, and it was better. Often I don't pedal those voices, because they shouldn't be, but I can do that at the end. I am NOT arguing for my way, just trying to learn something better.

I recommend you use a a bank (10 buttons) for each song. Name the file with the name of the song. This gives you enough buttons to add variety to the song. And you don't have to bother with OTS -- the voice changes are in the registrations.

To avoid the annoying noise when switching voices:
1. Take your hands off the keyboard when changing voices.
2. If you're switching from one voice to another voice, put one on R1, the next on R2. The noise occurs only when switching in the same Right voice number.
3. If you use multiple voices (like I like to do), the noise occurs only when using effects. No effects, no noise. So I like a lot of legacy voices.
4. If you use the same effect when moving from one voice to another, you'll be OK.

In summary, effects are the problem. You need to avoid changing effects when switching sounds within the same voice number.

Cheers,
Fred