the shadows of new Genos?

[BogdanH]

I am 64 and I love high quality sound.. and till not long ago, I though my hearing is perfect... in sense "yeah, maybe not up to 20kHZ, but I can hear details at high frequencies perfectly well...". And by coincidence, I tested my hearing at some Youtube video (there are plenty of them). Yes, I know they're not scientific and that's also told in video. But scientific or not, 16kHz is still 16kHz, right?
In short, I was shocked by result I got. Actually I didn't believe it and so I generated sound samples of various (high) frequencies and.. what to say: the hearing result was pretty much equal. No, I won't tell the result.. I prefer to live in denial 

There exist a formula, which approximately tells what's the highest frequency average human can hear at given age:
Fmax = 20925 - (166 x age)

Of course not everyone has the same hearing capabilities at the same age (it also depends on environment where we live, illnesses in the past, etc.). But the point really isn't if someone can hear 16000Hz and another up to 16500Hz -that's not even a difference.

So... to cheer you up John.. you can feel lucky if you can hear anything above 9kHz 

I wrote this post for entertainment purpose only 

Bogdan

[Keyboard Master]

If the Genos  is $1500 less than the Korg, which one would sell the most? My bet is Genos.
Yamaha have already recovered their development costs on the Genos, and could well accept much reduced pricing, which is what seems to be happening. Everyone is speculating this means they want to clear out old stock. But what if they have decided 'we don't need a new Genos, we can just undercut Korg on price for a couple more years'
Why would that not be a decent strategy?
Mike

Good point. I was also curious if Yamaha didn't make a new Genos anytime soon will they still upgrade the sx600, sx700, sx900?

[ton37]

I guess no update, but a new model. It will happen quite a while after the Genos 2 (or what name it will get) is launched. Some stuff from the 'old' Genos and some stuff from the new one will be mixed in a new model.  The Sx900, sometimes called a 'baby Genos' will grown to a 'teenage Genos' and his/her name ...  SX 1000 ?? 
Unless we get a 61_key new model ... still hoping on.

[maartenb]

I cannot say more (question of confidentiality).

No problem. I understand. Even though I am curious about new features, I can wait a couple of months more. 

Maarten

[maartenb]

As I posted in February, I believe a new Yamaha arranger will be released end of this year. But I didn't feel 100% sure though so I held on to my Genos. However, there is something about Christian's posts that ring true to me. I was already convinced he speaks the truth, even though I am not able to verify it in any way, shape or form. The picture of the empty slot in his room is a very nice bonus that underlines his conviction.

So I decided to put my money where my mouth is and I've sold my Genos. I wasn't playing much lately and currently I am spending a lot of my time redoing the attic, so hopefully I won't miss it much. Besides, we still have a digital piano in the house, thus I can always play keys.

So, at the end of this year I will either buy a "Genos 2", or a second-hand Genos...


Maarten

[Del]

I will be looking at getting the new flagship too but for the time being I am keeping my Tyros 5 and having both keyboards, maybe later I will sell the Tyros 5 no plans as yet

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hold it Del Boy

E-Piano's here in the Uk is having a used Genos sale to clear stocks and offering the speaker system free.
This is proof to me that the new Genos is on the way   "WAIT"!!! To all Mandalorians  "This is the way"!!!

[Dnj]

The newer genos has already been produced don't be fooled and they now only wait for the
"right time" to release, liquidating old stock before they announce new models to make the most $profit$ all around its business & marketing 101.....it will happen in due time for sure.

[Yama]

Below is a response from the ePianos regarding the current discount on Genos and wether a new version is coming up:

" ... we did have great discounts on the Genos but are now out of stock. We did have an influx of Genos as part exchanges when the Korg PA5x was released so have had plentyful stock of used instruments. I am sorry that there is no news of a new version of Genos. Yamaha really don't give us any prior information!"

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks for that, Yama. That's a typical response from dealers. Yamaha is a master at keeping things quiet until just the right time.

[maartenb]

The newer genos has already been produced

Hi Don,

Could you eleborate on why you are so sure about this, please?

Thanks in advance,

Maarten

[Dnj]

Maarten......let's put it this way if Yamaha doesn't already have the new genos or whatever they will call it already developed and in waiting pending to be released it would be another few years away from now before you ever see anything... it's all about timing, marketing, and making big profits.

[mikf]

In other words, you dont have any information.

[Oxford1035]

A couple of months ago,Chris from E-pianos sent out an email in which he said that whilst they had no news, he suggested we didn't spend all our money on our summer holidays and keep it for something special at the end of the year.

Yamaha are putting on a weekend event in November that used to be run by Glyn Madden who ran the Yamaha Club magazine. In one of the last magazines before he retired, Glyn replied in the letters page to someone saying we would be in for a nice surprise at the Yamaha weekend event.

Both Peter Baartman and Martin Harris are booked to play at that weekend event in November. I'm 100%. Certain that a new Genos successor is on the way by the end of the year, no matter what the naysayers think 😉

[EileenL]

I think that is what most are expecting and hints are pointing this way but as always must wait and see.

[BogdanH]

A couple of months ago,Chris from E-pianos sent out an email in which he said that whilst they had no news, he suggested we didn't spend all our money on our summer holidays....

-speaking for me, I'm not sure how to interpret such info (if it's even worth interpreting).

Both Peter Baartman and Martin Harris are booked to play at that weekend event in November. I'm 100%. Certain that a new Genos successor is on the way by the end of the year, no matter what the naysayers think 😉

Ok, not that I'm naysayer, but if I remember correctly, the same was said in this forum last year: that P. Baartman is booked for late autumn in 2022 for the same (Genos) reason.
Now, if I ask "do you have booking info and the reason for it, directly from P.Baartman or...", the answer would probably be something like "my friend got that info from a dealer who has reliable source...".

Don't get me wrong: I wish that there would be some great low priced keyboard soon -but don't interpret that as a fact 

Bogdan

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Eileen
That is what my mum said and for dinner  lump it or leave it.

[Dnj]

Hmmmmmm?..."Both Peter Baartman and Martin Harris are booked to play at that weekend event in November." to me that sounds like a possible lead in to a January Winter NAMM announcement.

[EileenL]

There is always a big weekend where all Yamaha lovers can go to meet some great players and see all the latest keyboards and piano's from Yamaha. It is usually in October but this year it is a month latter. It is a great weekend and is usually fully booked quite early on.

[Oxford1035]

Now, if I ask "do you have booking info and the reason for it, directly from P.Baartman or...", the answer would probably be something like "my friend got that info from a dealer who has reliable source...".
Bogdan
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https://www.cavalcadeproductions.co.uk/yamaha.htm

Do you really expect Peter Baartman and Martin Harris to be at the same event, given Martin's input to Yamaha keyboards?

Carry on being sceptical, just remember, you read it here first 😉
Kind regards,

Russ

[mikf]

There has been endless chatter about a new Genos on this forum for about 3 years, with some posters almost at desperation level. But when push comes to shove how many will actually upgrade their current Genos.  History shows not many. In the heyday of the Tyros series, with upgrades every few years, most opted to stay with what they had for a bit longer when a new one came out. Maybe they upgraded after a couple of new models.
They weighed up the changes, how many of these changes actually mattered to them, against the cost and hassle of change...... and then did nothing. New voices were seldom a massive difference, and the new styles  were easily obtained anyway.
I believe vast majority of latest Tyros were bought by people new to arrangers, people upgrading much older or lower level models, or people playing competitors keyboards, and not people who already owned the current Tyros model. If you were three or more models of Tyros 'out of date' the changes added up and upgrade became more attractive.
Will this be different? Well the time between upgrades has been much longer than in the past, so maybe, and of course it is going to depend on how radical the upgrade is. But I still think history will largely repeat and in the first year only a handful of Genos owners on this forum will have upgraded - despite all the chatter. But maybe this new model will be so mind blowing it will be different. 
Mike

[EileenL]

Yes Russ,
They will both be there. Martin attends most of these events anyway which used to be hosted by The Yamaha Club which was run by Glynn Madden but he retired this year.

[pjd]

There has been endless chatter about a new Genos on this forum for about 3 years, with some posters almost at desperation level. But when push comes to shove how many will actually upgrade their current Genos.  History shows not many.
Mike

Good points, Mike. Good heavens, Genos is a fine musical instrument. It's my playing that stinks.    It would take quite a lot to get me to chase GENOS2.

Upgrading my piano skills -- that's a different story -- pj

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Whhaaaaat!!!! I am in for the Genos 2 asap!!
LIke Eileen says "You can't take it with you"!!!
Enjoy yourself, whilst your'e still in the pink!!

[mikf]

My family are counting on me not taking it with me - or spending it!
Mike

[ton37]

Well, (allow me some introspection) when it comes to whether you become a better musician if you buy a 'Genos 2', then that would be quite disappointing. I myself don't develop my playing skills, on the contrary .. the years have started to count. But on the other hand, there is still a lot of fun to be had. For me, then: exploring a new 'gadget'. Nice to be involved with that. That is simply at the expense of actual music theory, but who cares, I'm a home player? Do you drive better from A to B with a new car? Is it better to call with an advanced smartphone?  We live in a consumer community and as long as you can afford it, the community lives accordingly. So... if there's a 61 Genos it's for me. If it is a big one, I have to scratch my head? When I'm finished playing (literally) it goes away again and return to my SX900. In other words, I comply with what producers want me to do: buy because it's new and I like exploring that... I only live once. Am I unique in this way of thinking? Don't think so .. (meant rhetorically)

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
Well, If you get a new car it should be more comfortable and driving from A to B is more of a pleasure unless you live in London or a big Capital.
I just hope the new Genos has a better way of making styles that you do not need a masters degree to construct them.
Seamless switching is also a must. Visual Eq would be great.
Improvments on Electric guitars and orchestra's and Brass.
Cut out the Do-Be-Do- BAH! rubbish and have decent choirs. That is what i want.
Practice every day and learn a little more software. "This is the way"!!
I know what you want is different to what i want, but wanting something different is what we all want or not want
It is great to be able to look forward, it would be a ton more fun.

[mikf]

: exploring a new 'gadget'. Nice to be involved with that.

We all have different motivations, for me the hassle of having to learn a 'new gadget' is a big driver for not changing! I find myself more and more being back at the piano rather than the CVP because sometimes I can't even be bothered with the hassle of remembering (or not remembering) all the foibles of the gadget I already have. I hear a song in my head and just want to sit down and play it, no menu selections, no messing with controls or set ups.
Mike

[pjd]

Well, (allow me some introspection) when it comes to whether you become a better musician if you buy a 'Genos 2', then that would be quite disappointing.

Totally agree with that point. Genos1 and MODX (gen 1) are good enough for me.

As to real need, I'm (occasionally) expected to sub for our pianist and play an acoustic grand. As to not taking it with me, ahem, I'm trying out as many digital pianos as I can. (Environmental conditions in our house would trash an acoustic instrument.) I can definitely use a good DP at home to work out arrangements and such. Even the "practice" that I get by trying out instruments has been beneficial already.

It's like the old joke, "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" 

All the best -- pj

[Oxford1035]

-speaking for me, I'm not sure how to interpret such info (if it's even worth interpreting).
Ok, not that I'm naysayer, but if I remember correctly, the same was said in this forum last year: that P. Baartman is booked for late autumn in 2022 for the same (Genos) reason.
Now, if I ask "do you have booking info and the reason for it, directly from P.Baartman or...", the answer would probably be something like "my friend got that info from a dealer who has reliable source...".

Don't get me wrong: I wish that there would be some great low priced keyboard soon -but don't interpret that as a fact 



Have you changed your mind by your later post 😉


The new name seems to be Genos2 //Y2 -which was removed from the list in last day or two.
If you take a look on source page at Yamaha Singapore, then you can see the following (increasing number) pattern:
...
138850 = GENOS //EX
...
143637 = PSR-SX700
143638 = PSR-SX900
...
145174 = PSR-SX600
...
149496 = GENOS2 //Y2 -this was removed
...

To me, this is so far the most believable proof that Genos2 is on the way .. prepare your wallets 

Bogdan


Bogdan