New Yamaha Montage

[hans1966]

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[steakikan]

https://psrtutorial.com/yamaha-montage-m-specifications-and-pricing/

Try this one, seems to have same information

[pjd]

Some of the details don't add up for me. I'm waiting for the official specs and the manuals. I always look at the list of waveforms first to see what is actually new (on the AWM2-side).

All the best -- pj

[richkeys]

Some of the details don't add up for me. I'm waiting for the official specs and the manuals. I always look at the list of waveforms first to see what is actually new (on the AWM2-side).

Agree, the first thing I would check out is the presets list. I know that's less technical than looking at the waveforms list, but it still will paint a good picture of what's new.

Rich

[TLN41]

Sorry the link I posted no longer works. My guess is they had their hands slapped by Yamaha as nothing is supposed to be released until Tuesday. But they also had the keyboards in stock ready to ship.

The text I posted is what they had on their site - consider it as is.

The Tech Talk I posted on Tuesday 4 pm Eastern should be the intro to the Montage M by Blake. And we should know a lot more Tuesday morning.

[TLN41]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA1TmdQqANI

[TLN41]

Translated from Hispasonic.com: https://www.hispasonic.com/noticias/yamaha-montage-m-plugin-gratis-sintesis-an-x-novedades/47416



The Expanded Softsynth Plugin (E.S.P.) brings the Montage synthesizer to DAW environments. It is an 'in the box' version that allows you to edit and use sounds with all the enormous facilities that this type of intimate hardware/software integration opens. Everyone can choose at any time which environment to use. It will arrive in January 2024, at no additional cost to Montage M users.



with Montage M, it is supported to designate the desired channel in each of the 16 parts. In addition to being able to apply the parts for both internal and external control, and in the latter case with the option to configure several MIDI parameters with which to adjust those external equipment conveniently or even make areas in keyboard and speed, transposition, etc. with them.

All activity on the keyboard itself can be represented on a single MIDI channel even if there are several sounds combined, and use from the internal keyboard can be extended to all 16 parts. Logically the SSS (Seamless Sound Switching) is still between 8-part performances. There are also still 8 simultaneous arpeggios to choose from among the 10922 predefined. Again 8 the total of 'scenes' immediately claimable within each performance.

Yamaha integrates as a third sound generation system the new AN-X. Based on analog subtractive synthesis modeling, it is a new hard addition and as such adds its polyphony without consuming voices from the other strategies (AWM2 and FM-X). Specifically, 16 voices become available, a figure that surely speaks for the good of the quality of that modeling. For many sounds that recall the analog both AWM2 and FM-X are perfectly enough, but when you want some particularly characteristic and 'difficult' sound of the analog world, AN-X will now be the place to look. Also for those who are intimidated by the huge amount of parameters and elements in AWM2 and FM-X, and who will now enjoy creating sounds from a more classic architecture.

The sample 'ROM' reaches 10GB for preset sounds (several new pianos within it, of course) and it is possible to use it to play up to 128 voices. But in addition another 128 voices are available autonomously using the also grown Flash, which amounts to 3.7 GB. It is a total of up to 256 AWM2 voices as long as 'preset' and 'user' samples are combined. A call to load that Flash with the various libraries that already exist and that will take advantage of the folded memory available now.

Add the 128 voices of polyphony in FM-X parts and the 16 AN-X voices and the total reaches 400, a round number, but above all abysmal and that guarantees not to fall short before dense arrangements with very complex sounds.

Other numbers also grow: factory performances go to 3369 using the 7620 multisamples available. It hosts up to 640 user performances, plus 10240 performances in up to 16 libraries loaded simultaneously.

[TLN41]

Another link: https://theguitarfactory.com/index.php/yamaha-montage-m6-2nd-gen-61-key-flagship-synthesizer-with-fsx-action.html?mc_cid=bce2e95c11

[pjd]

Unbelievable! My site is getting hammered.

The Montage M documentation is up on Yamaha sites. Blake's take is live, too.

I know my point of view and interest is narrow, but lots of pianos. I hope Yamaha follow suit with G2.

I think the drawbar organ is still AWM2-based. However! Montage M does have a new rotary speaker effect block, probably ported from Stage YC. Hope G2 gets the new rotary effect type, too.

Off to bed with visions of sugerplums dancing in my head.

— pj

[Michael Trigoboff]

I hope the new Genos allows knobs to be assigned to whatever parameter you want, and not just the current limited set of choices.

[SciNote]

I have two questions here...

1. I'm looking at the photo of the new Montage posted above, and I don't see anything that looks like presets, or the equivalent of registrations.  I'm sure it's got them, but how do you access them?

2.  With this sentence from the above text, concerning the polyphony, "...and the total reaches 400, a round number, but above all abysmal and that guarantees not to fall short..." -- What are they trying to say here, with the word "abysmal"?  Doesn't "abysmal" mean "very bad"?  But as they're talking about 400 notes of polyphony, it doesn't otherwise sound like they're disappointed with the specs of this keyboard.

[GoodOldJacob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdX5Ec7i7XY

Sweetwater has a new video about the Montage M8x!

[steakikan]

The new oscilloscope display is pretty cool, but if E.S.P can be purchased I probably just do that than upgrading. Wondering if they improve the MIDI resolution compared to the old Montage, as some performance stepping can be heard on the old Montage. The weight is still unbearable though @ 28KG for the 8 and @ 15kg for the 6.

[pjd]

I have two questions here...

1. I'm looking at the photo of the new Montage posted above, and I don't see anything that looks like presets, or the equivalent of registrations.  I'm sure it's got them, but how do you access them?

Montage/MODX (all generations) do not have front panel buttons for registrations.

There are two levels of "storage:" Performance and Live Set. A Performance is a multi-part voice, i.e., piano, wind ensemble, whatever. A Performance holds A LOT of stuff including things you might find in a PSR/Genos registration.

A Live Set consists of one or more pages. Each page holds a matrix (e.g., 4x4) of on-screen touch buttons. A Live Set button remembers a Performance and some other fun stuff like the name of an audio file to play, etc.

A player can explore Performances through the CATEGORY button using a screen similar to the voice search feature on Genos/PSR. This is too clunky for live play. That's what Live Sets are for.

When I play and want to change to a new Performance, I touch one of the Live Set buttons. It brings up the desired Performance. It's easy to create and customize Live Sets. I have a Live Set for church and a Live Set for rock/soul, for example.

Hope this short explanation helps -- pj

[pjd]

I have two questions here...

2.  With this sentence from the above text, concerning the polyphony, "...and the total reaches 400, a round number, but above all abysmal and that guarantees not to fall short..." -- What are they trying to say here, with the word "abysmal"?  Doesn't "abysmal" mean "very bad"?  But as they're talking about 400 notes of polyphony, it doesn't otherwise sound like they're disappointed with the specs of this keyboard.

This was auto-translated from Spanish. Beats me... 

The actual polyphony spec is: AWM2: 256 (max.; stereo/mono waveforms), FM-X: 128 (max.), AN-X: 16 (max.)

Montage M splits the 256 AWM2 polyphony into factory presets (128) and user voices/waveforms (128) -- similar to Genos. Probably done for low-level technical reasons.

-- pj


http://sandsoftwaresound.net/yamaha-montage-m8x-initial-take/

[pjd]

The new oscilloscope display is pretty cool, but if E.S.P can be purchased I probably just do that than upgrading.

E.S.P. won't be available until sometime 2024 and the initial version will only do voice editing. [Source: Yamaha press release] E.S.P. polyphony will be disappointing when compared with hardware. The hardware tone generator does A LOT of work.

Wondering if they improve the MIDI resolution compared to the old Montage, as some performance stepping can be heard on the old Montage.

The MIDI implementation chart in the Montage M Data List PDF is not very encouraging on this matter. Much of the MIDI implementation is "to be announced." Plus, the analog-to-digital converters (ADC) within the embedded processors are probably still 10- to 12-bit resolution.

The weight is still unbearable though @ 28KG for the 8 and @ 15kg for the 6.

An M8x player doesn't need a cart; they need a forklift. 

All the best -- pj

[steakikan]

E.S.P. won't be available until sometime 2024 and the initial version will only do voice editing. [Source: Yamaha press release] E.S.P. polyphony will be disappointing when compared with hardware. The hardware tone generator does A LOT of work.

The MIDI implementation chart in the Montage M Data List PDF is not very encouraging on this matter. Much of the MIDI implementation is "to be announced." Plus, the analog-to-digital converters (ADC) within the embedded processors are probably still 10- to 12-bit resolution.

An M8x player doesn't need a cart; they need a forklift. 

All the best -- pj

Recalling the time when I have to bring my own Montage and SX together during a church service, fun time
I do like ModX size and weight, hopefully there is a plan for ModMX. Can't wait for your exploration on the MontageM sound generator especially on AN-X.

If any consolation, I do wish the 128 elements of AWM could at least be ported to Montage so CFX doesn't consume 4 parts.

[Bill]

https://youtu.be/oP427ZJLiUo?si=JAUtaz5xseZsJCGP

Interesting to see that the Polyphonic Aftertouch is only available on the M8X.

Bill

[overover]

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Interesting to see that the Polyphonic Aftertouch is only available on the M8X.

Bill

The reason why Montage M6/7 don't have Polyphonic Aftertouch (AT) is because the FSX keyboard (which is also used on Genos and Tyros5) can only send Monophonic AT. The GEX keyboard of the Montage M8x, on the other hand, is Polyphonic AT capable.

According to the data list, Montage M6/7 can receive Polyphonic AT (just like Genos and Tyros5). So you "just" have to connect a suitable, external MIDI keyboard to use Polyphonic AT.


Best regards,
Chris