Is there a huge sound benefit to Playing styles on Genos v SX900

Started by rikkisbears, November 11, 2022, 08:27:43 PM

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Jeff Hollande

Hi Ton :

Good to hear you are also a guitar player. :)
Best wishes, JH

Amwilburn

Quote from: Danny1972 on November 14, 2022, 11:09:05 AM
that. Korg seems to make a lot of variations in their models where as Yamaha's tend to usually be similar through their range, (eg, PSR S950, S970, S975 & T2, T3, T4 & T5 cosmetically they were very similar and a couple of them identical (eg, T3 & T4 except for the ligts, and S970 & S975 except for the colour) whereas Korg really do have a distinction between models, eg, rubber or plastic buttons and aftertouch on some of their MOTL so I am trying to figure out which ones I will end up keeping after I tried them all. It's a great hobby and keeps me busy at least!

Not sure where you got that idea from?. While the ps970 and s975 were the same basic keyboard, the T4 represented a quantum leap over the T3. In fact, the T2 was a huge leap over the T1, the T3 didn't add much to the T2 (A couple of dozen S.Art 2 sounds, Rock and Acoustic drums, and updated screen. Oh and the first new piano sample since the PSR9000). The T4 added all the current choirs, an even better piano, even more S.Art 2, the Real drumkit era drums *still* in use today in the sx700, Real Strings/Seattle strings (which now added contrabass as part of the sample; T2 and T3 only sampled down to the Cell, so anything below E2 sounded pretty bad), a whole new range of solo strings.

In fact, the T4 and T5 weren't very far apart; Mainly the T5 offered a 76 key option, Audio styles, and a lot more acoustic guitars. If you're wonrdering, the sx700/PSR970/975 are the T4 minus SArt 2 sounds, the sx900 is the T5 minus S.Art sounds but with Revo complatible drums added. However, as the T5 is still compatible with YEM and the T4 isn't, they are now very different functionally!

The KN7000 was very cool... but as Technics keyboards (in North America) went out of business in 2002, I'd be careful about getting a 2nd hand technics as there is no way to get parts (in Canada at least). They posted a touching farewell on their keyboard website that year. I was very shocked when I saw that.

Mark

Danny1972

Quote from: Amwilburn on November 14, 2022, 01:43:35 PM
Not sure where you got that idea from?.

Mark

Hi Mark,

I said cosmetically (to which I mean things like button layout & dashboard) not sonically. I got that idea because I had them for the most part to compare.

I agree with a lot of you said especially the differences between the T4 & T5 although I think the T5 looks a little slicker in design.

Absolutely as you say the KN7000 is a risk but it seems that at least in the UK there are quite a few around so I'm quite happy with it. It is in great condition and works fine. I really wanted to experience a Technics because I missed out completely when they were active. I am noticing that people seem to have a soft spot for them as whoever I speak to they've got nothing but good things to say and I can be one of those now.

Thanks Mark & take care,
Danny

Amwilburn

Ah sorry, I totally missed the word "Cosmetically"! My bad!

Korg has a completely different philosophy... they now use the same case of PA700/1000 etc but colour them different. But all in the same series use the exact same chipset (they state this themselves, not trying to hide it. They figure build quality, features, and speaker quality should be the differentiator).

Yes the T1-4 all looked pretty similar! The T5 was even a different shade (darker silver).
But yeah, over my decades working here, I've had so many people state "Oh these 2 models look the same, they must be the same. why is 1 nearly double the other?"

You can imagine the mini headache that causes each time. So much so that previously, Yamaha made some of the Clavinovas in the same case (to presumably save on furniture R&D and consolidate) but in the last 3 generations, they now make each model up in a series taller, *just* so people don't look at them and think "they look they same, they must be the same!"

Mark

rikkisbears

Quote from: Danny1972 on November 14, 2022, 01:56:36 PM


Absolutely as you say the KN7000 is a risk but it seems that at least in the UK there are quite a few around so I'm quite happy with it. It is in great condition and works fine. I really wanted to experience a Technics because I missed out completely when they were active. I am noticing that people seem to have a soft spot for them as whoever I speak to they've got nothing but good things to say and I can be one of those now.


Danny

Hi Danny you really did miss out on a great era. I had every top end KN , except for the Kn6500, ( don't know what happened there, haa haa). My kn7000 is the only keyboard I wish I hadn't sold. They were built like a tank. Mine died in an electrical brown out, ie a tree branch hit the Power line, and slowly the power went out in the house. It destroyed the video player and the Foxtel box, and sadly my kn7000 wouldn't turn back on.  A super genius on the technics forum, sent me a list of instructions, press this, while doing that etc etc, and the darn thing came back to life. It was incredible.
It was an incredibly sad day when they announced they were no longer making them.
I may still have some old styles floating around if you need some.
Best wishes
Rikki
Korg PA5X 88 note
SX 900
Band in a Box 2022

rikkisbears

Hi Danny,
why would you need a pa800  if you're considering a pa2x?  Or basically for cosmetic reasons. They both were from the same era. I loved my pa800, had the best time learning all about Korg and it's style structure. Prattled on endlessly on the Korg pa800/pa2x forums about how fantastic it was.  They were fun years.

Btw, I ordered my PA5x, should arrive in the next week or so. Never had more than 61 notes on an arranger  before,
88 notes will be a treat. I'll be able to sell my piano's and use the PA5x as controller for the sx900 instead.
I really like fully weighted keys.
Best wishes
Rikki
Korg PA5X 88 note
SX 900
Band in a Box 2022

Danny1972

Quote from: rikkisbears on November 14, 2022, 09:31:07 PM
Hi Danny,
why would you need a pa800  if you're considering a pa2x?  Or basically for cosmetic reasons. They both were from the same era. I loved my pa800, had the best time learning all about Korg and it's style structure. Prattled on endlessly on the Korg pa800/pa2x forums about how fantastic it was.  They were fun years.

Btw, I ordered my PA5x, should arrive in the next week or so. Never had more than 61 notes on an arranger  before,
88 notes will be a treat. I'll be able to sell my piano's and use the PA5x as controller for the sx900 instead.
I really like fully weighted keys.

Hi Rikki,

Yes I want the Pa800 for cosmetic reasons as it's a unique model due to it's colour. I've researched and there's even two more colours other than blue, Korg also did one in silver and also in black which is actually for sale on the facebook marketplace but if I bought that it would defeat the object as I specifically want the original blue one. I will keep looking for one anyway.

That's great news that you're getting a Pa5x 88 keys!!! I don't play the piano so that would feel a little too big for me. I've only recently got used to 76 after getting the Genos but I also did have a Audya 76 which I didn't keep for long. My Pa5x is only 61 but I do now wish I got the 76 version as I think any keyboard I get from now on I will prefer 76 first.

Thank you for your offer of Technics styles but I think I have all I need! I managed to find all the internal styles from the KN2000 onwards up until the KN2600 (which was their final keyboard I believe) so that's more than enough I think. Still getting used to the OS of the KN which I find a bit tricky to use but getting there with it but I don't really plan to go into the Technics to deeply anyway so I am happy with how I've got it set up already.

If you need anything for the Pa5x let me know, or indeed for the SX900 for that matter let me know and I will check if I have it or not.

Take Care,
Danny

rikkisbears

Quote from: Danny1972 on November 15, 2022, 05:04:54 AM
Hi Rikki,

Yes I want the Pa800 for cosmetic reasons as it's a unique model due to it's colour. I've researched and there's even two more colours other than blue, Korg also did one in silver and also in black which is actually for sale on the facebook marketplace but if I bought that it would defeat the object as I specifically want the original blue one. I will keep looking for one anyway.

Thank you for your offer of Technics styles but I think I have all I need! I managed to find all the internal styles from the KN2000 onwards up until the KN2600.

If you need anything for the Pa5x let me know, or indeed for the SX900 for that matter let me know and I will check if I have it or not.

Take Care,
Danny

Hi Danny,
Just be a bit careful. I had a screen go on my pa800, I think it was only about 4 to 5 years old, cost me about $600 to replace, and then about 3 years ago, it just plain stopped working.  Didn't bother trying to get it fixed.So do try and make sure it's a good one.  My psrs on the other hand have been very reliable.

Kn2000 had one of my favourite styles, can't remember the name of it, but it was  something like Orchestral
Ballad or something along those lines. It was just so useable. Think I might have even converted it for my korgs. Suppose I'll find out soon enough when I get my keyboard.



Best wishes
Rikki
Korg PA5X 88 note
SX 900
Band in a Box 2022

Danny1972

Quote from: rikkisbears on November 15, 2022, 04:36:16 PM
Hi Danny,
Just be a bit careful. I had a screen go on my pa800, I think it was only about 4 to 5 years old, cost me about $600 to replace, and then about 3 years ago, it just plain stopped working.  Didn't bother trying to get it fixed.So do try and make sure it's a good one.  My psrs on the other hand have been very reliable.


Hi Rikki,

Thanks for that. Yes it's something I have come to understand in my research of the Pa800 that they seem to develop faults quite easily, my dealer seem to suggest that its usually the motherboard that starts with the problems. Bit of a shame as I think its a unique looking instrument (although really my Pa1x is the same shape and design but just in silver), so I think maybe I will let that one go! As you say I will have the Pa2x soon anyway which is essentially exactly the same specs wise at least except for a few features more on the Pa2x and of course 76 with no speakers.

Incidentally, how you getting on with the Genos styles in your SX900, have you got them working yet?

Take Care,
Danny

rikkisbears

Hi Danny,
Yes I do have the Genos styles, only kept the. Ones that aren't on sx900.

Btw, my Korg arrived this afternoon. Couldn't believe how quickly it arrived.
Best wishes
Rikki
Korg PA5X 88 note
SX 900
Band in a Box 2022

Danny1972

Quote from: rikkisbears on November 16, 2022, 06:25:05 AM
Hi Danny,
Yes I do have the Genos styles, only kept the. Ones that aren't on sx900.

Btw, my Korg arrived this afternoon. Couldn't believe how quickly it arrived.

Do you have the v2 Genos styles whereby none are in the SX900 ?

Oh wow that was quick with the Pa5x !!! Oooo I love getting new keyboards it's exciting! Is this your first experience of the Pa5x as I wasn't sure if you've had one before or not.

Just noticed you've posted on the Korg forum as well and I've sent you a reply there too !

BogdanH

Wish you a lot of fun with Pa5X Rikki and hope you'll share your impressions  :)

Bogdan
PSR-SX700 on K&M-18820 stand
Playing for myself on Youtube

ton37

Congratulations @Rikki on your new toy. I was allowed to try it out for about 2 hours. I was very impressed with the PA5x. I especially liked the nice playable keybed, the beautiful tiltable screen, the design and the overall sound and some essential functions I prefer. A major upgrade in December will have to do to convince me and I expect news about the Genos2/3 in the short term.  Only I'm going for a 61 version. Just nice prospects. Have fun with it and pls. share your impressions at some time.
My best regards,
Ton

Jeff Hollande

Hi Ton :

For many years Rikki ( Australia ) is very familiar with the strenghts, weaknesses, ins and outs of Korg and Yamaha arranger keyboards.

She wrote me today she's very pleased with the excellent keybed and the great piano sounds of her new 88n high end baby.
She will keep her SX900. She likes various Yamaha styles very much.
She is very knowledgeable about Korg's and Yamaha's styles editing and converting.

BTW, I have no other choice than to look for a 61n high end arranger keyboard.
A 61n Genos2 might be a dream that never will come true but like you ... I am still optimistic and very hopeful. ;)

Best regards, JH

Danny1972

Quote from: Jeff Hollande on November 16, 2022, 09:54:04 AM

BTW, I have no other choice than to look for a 61n high end arranger keyboard.
A 61n Genos2 might be dream that never will come true but like you ... I am still optimistic and very hopeful . ;)

Best regards, JH

Hi Jeff,

I also hope that there will be a 61 key Genos as well although I have gotten used to the 76 keys so I don't mind, but of course its also about saving space, the thing is my T5 61 keys is about a similar size to the Genos or its at least fairly comparable so I can imagine the T5 76 must be huge!

Jeff Hollande

Hi Danny :

Thank you for your reply.

IMHO one of Korg's ( PA5X ) commercial advantages : 61/76/88n versions are available.

JH

EileenL

The Genos is not that much bigger than the Tyros 5 61 note keyboard. A low smaller than the 76 note one which was also very heavy.
Eileen

Danny1972

Quote from: EileenL on November 16, 2022, 10:54:56 AM
The Genos is not that much bigger than the Tyros 5 61 note keyboard. A low smaller than the 76 note one which was also very heavy.

Exactly that, I have them both and they both fit nice in both the same keyboard bag and stand I have for it. I've never seen the T5 76 but it looks huge and possible the biggest keyboard i've ever seen ! I think even the Pa5x 88 is smaller than the T5 76 !! I think there was a video that Bonners did years ago I think demoing the T5 76 and Tony was holding it up, it looked nearly as tall as him !!! :D

Jeff Hollande

Thank you very much, Eileen, for your interesting and useful feedback ! :)

I am going to compare the present Genos' sizes versus my Tyros4.
Hopefully the Genos2' sizes will be equal.
Cross my fingers. ;)

Best wishes, JH

rikkisbears

Quote from: Danny1972 on November 16, 2022, 06:30:41 AM
Do you have the v2 Genos styles whereby none are in the SX900 ?

Oh wow that was quick with the Pa5x !!! Oooo I love getting new keyboards it's exciting! Is this your first experience of the Pa5x as I wasn't sure if you've had one before or not.

Just noticed you've posted on the Korg forum as well and I've sent you a reply there too !

Hi Danny , I think I have v2 styles as well. I sorted all my styles and kept what sounded best  to me , ie if I had 3 versions of an identical style, I just kept the one. Quite frankly I have a heap of them , but mainly use the onboard styles, unless I can't find one to suit. Then I go thru the others.

Do you use a different name on the Korg forum?

I haven't had a Korg for 3 yrs. Sold all 3  ( including Pa4x) when I bought sx900. I figured a replacement was probably coming for the Pa4x and thought I'd sell while I could get a good price. Was  I ever wrong with the timing. Haha.
Best wishes
Rikki
Korg PA5X 88 note
SX 900
Band in a Box 2022

rikkisbears

Quote from: BogdanH on November 16, 2022, 06:31:12 AM
Wish you a lot of fun with Pa5X Rikki and hope you'll share your impressions  :)

Bogdan

Thank you Bogdan. Will do.  More important than ever to get good monitors. Can't wait to try the 2 keyboards  together.  ie being able to play sx900 styles with PA5x melody voices.
Been a while, have to get my brain back into gear and work out the midi settings again. Used to do it with my pa800/ psr1500. I used to keep notes so I wouldn't forget. Haha.
Best wishes
Rikki
Korg PA5X 88 note
SX 900
Band in a Box 2022

rikkisbears

Quote from: ton37 on November 16, 2022, 08:19:19 AM
Congratulations @Rikki on your new toy. I was allowed to try it out for about 2 hours. I was very impressed with the PA5x. I especially liked the nice playable keybed, the beautiful tiltable screen, the design and the overall sound and some essential functions I prefer. A major upgrade in December will have to do to convince me and I expect news about the Genos2/3 in the short term.  Only I'm going for a 61 version. Just nice prospects. Have fun with it and pls. share your impressions at some time.

Thanks Ton , will do. My 88 note vers. has the fully weighted keys, which I'm really happy about, means I can sell my piano. Used to like the semi weighted on the PA4x also, but not as much as fully weighted.

It seems like a lot of people would like to see a 61 note version of Genos, not everyone needs 76 notes. I've only ever had 61 note arrangers  ( even though 76 was an option on korgs). Until now that is.  If I am in the market in the future for a Genos, I'd prefer 61 notes too,  ( better style an arranger module version, ) in my dreams, never going to happen. Haha

Best wishes
Rikki
Korg PA5X 88 note
SX 900
Band in a Box 2022

ton37

@Rikki, a other option could be: Ketron Event modul, the Yamaha SX 900 and your Korg PA5x-88 . Then your room is keyboard paradise😃😃😎
My best regards,
Ton

Jeff Hollande

Hi Ton :

Your idea ( adding a Ketron / Event Module in 2023 ! ) might be a tempting, but expensive ( ? ) proposal for those who prefer to keep their 61n Yamaha. ;)

Best regards, JH

Danny1972


Jeff Hollande

Sizes
Ty4     : 1140 x 450 x 143 mm
Genos : 1234 x 456 x 138 mm

Genos would fit. :)
Wonder if the Genos2 will have the same Genos' sizes ? Nobody knows yet.

PA5X/88 note : 1262 x 396.4 x 146 mm !!!
JH


ton37

Quote from: Jeff Hollande on November 17, 2022, 03:50:26 AM
Hi Ton :

Your idea ( adding a Ketron / Event Module in 2023 ! ) might be a tempting, but expensive ( ? ) proposal for those who prefer to keep their 61n Yamaha. ;)

Best regards, JH
The road to paradise is therefore not the easiest way  ;D :)
My best regards,
Ton

Amwilburn

Quote from: Jeff Hollande on November 17, 2022, 04:56:06 AM
Sizes
Ty4     : 1140 x 450 x 143 mm
Genos : 1234 x 456 x 138 mm

Genos would fit. :)
Wonder if the Genos2 will have the same Genos' sizes ? Nobody knows yet.

PA5X/88 note : 1262 x 396.4 x 146 mm !!!
JH


Wait until you see how ridiculously large the T5-76 was:
   Tyros5-76: 1347 x 450 x 142mm
Genos is actually not much bigger than 61key Tyros (all roughly the same size).
and T5-76 was 37 lbs or so to boot.

Mark

Jeff Hollande

Hi Mark :

Weight differences ( all 76n ) :
01. GENOS  = 13 kg Winner !
02. EVENT   = 14.8 kg
03. PA5X     = 17.4 kg

Sizes  :
Ketron/Event : 1140 x 365 x 125 mm : Winner !
( my Ty4 ( 61n ) : 1140 x 450 x 143 mm )

Now we have to wait for the Genos2' sizes and weight.


Best wishes,
JH

mikf

When I bought my new grand piano my wife felt it looked a little big for the room, so I had the wall knocked down and moved out 6ft. It's perfect now. There's always a way to make your keyboard fit! 😃
Mike