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[countryking]

Hi Jeff,
I used to feel exactly the same about Technics and especially my KN7000.
I feel that my Genos is a good board but still has features which need addressing and Korg has dealt with those but I've never had a Korg.
Health problems mean that I won't be around to enjoy it if Yamaha don't move a bit quicker on dealing with these problems.
I think we all look for something a little different when we choose keyboards but what's right for us personally is the deal.
Nice weekend to you too which probably means keeping very cool

Hi Duffy,
While we can all enjoy making the comparisons between one keyboard and another - I have to say your comment about your health can put life into perspective and it was sad for me to read this. I sincerely wish you well and hope that you will be with us for all time to come. In the meantime enjoy all the days that is given to each of us and whatever gives us some enjoyment we should try and get it in abundance.
My best wishes to you and for you.
Jim

[stephenm52]

I consider this Pa5X downloads one of the better ones.

Fascinating the way his left hand plays an added extension of his right hand.
Interesting technique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo

Graham, I found the same thing his left hand adds and interesting dimension to the playing.

[mikf]

Graham , I actually saw this video earlier. He plays the arranger very well. I'm not sure about your description of extended rh. He just plays both hands, like a piano player would, using his lh to add accents and mini riffs, while still making sure he plays enough notes to allow chord recognition. I really like how he does that and started experimenting with it a bit. It's interesting.
Mike

[jwyvern]

He just plays both hands, like a piano player would, using his lh to add accents and mini riffs, while still making sure he plays enough notes to allow chord recognition.
Mike

It's also possible he could have been using a chord looper preset sequence to free up his LH for occasional excursions to demo that  feature.
John

[usaraiya]

I see that he plays a chord and then does his left-hand magic, until the following chord change; when he plays the new chord and leaves it, the accompaniment continues to play in the chord sequence until the following change, and he has time to play the riffs which he has mastered, in between the chord changes, in his unique style.

[mikf]

When set to AI type mode, which I assume exists on the Korg as well, the notes played in the rh also drive accompaniment. So this combined with some 'quiet chord playing" in your lh between the little riffs can be enough to keep the accompaniment reasonably accurate. I experimented with this and it is possible but takes some practice.
Mike

[PierreSW]

Quote from: Jeff Hollande on 2022-07-15, 08:33:41
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Hi Guys :

BAD KORG NEWS ?
Watch following PA Korg video ...  I am shocked.
True or not true ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHIM9eIBmcQ

Best regards, JH
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Here we see a video about what is missing in Korg's keyboard.
Wondering if it's not the same for Yamaha's keyboards when they're released?
Half-finished built programs, which must be upgraded to work properly.
There are still parts in the software that can be improved
Same with the hardware, it is already old when you start selling the keyboard,
for example. USB 2 instead of USB 3 which existed long before Genos came out.

// Pierre

[Jeff Hollande]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uUu8SbS3hM&t=8s


Hey Ton :

In a previous article of this thread you talked about connecting a guitar, remember ?

As shown in the above video, it looks to be a nice 5X feature ... BUT ...
I wonder if it is possible to record and mix the guitar voice in the PA5X ? 

This feature might only be applicable for live performances ?
If it is what I think it is then I would rather call it an extra gadget than a pro application, IMHO.

Best regards, JH

[Duffy]

I consider this Pa5X downloads one of the better ones.

Fascinating the way his left hand plays an added extension of his right hand.
Interesting technique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo

Yes, Alois has a  great left hand talent.  He should record them all as midi files and sell them.
It would be nice to have his left hand playing whilst we played the melody.
I used to listen to him playing the Genos a lot and always enjoyed his talent. He offers a lot of setting up tips too but, unfortunately, they are all in German (or something similar).

[Duffy]

Leigh Wilbraham is always worth listening too as well.
Here he plays the PA5X and demonstrates some free PA4X styles which Korg give away free.
I love Korg's strings.

https://youtu.be/eqhY5a_Owkg

P.S.  Very sorry,  I have just realised that he's actually playing the PA4X in this video.
This shows me that the PA4X was quite impressive too and I just didn't know it.

[ton37]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uUu8SbS3hM&t=8s


Hey Ton :

In a previous article of this thread you talked about connecting a guitar, remember ?

As shown in the above video, it looks to be a nice 5X feature ... BUT ...
I wonder if it is possible to record and mix the guitar voice in the PA5X ? 

This feature might only be applicable for live performances ?
If it is what I think it is then I would rather call it an extra gadget than a pro application, IMHO.

Best regards, JH

Hi Jeff, here are some other resources.
Rimmers Music info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xISc4x02A6Y
Korg info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hORggX_apfs
Based on what I see/read on the internet, Korg has integrated that well into the keyboard with its Pa5X. In my opinion it is more than a 'gadget'. Whether it is suitable for a 'Pro', I'm not sure. They have to say that themselves. For a house musician it seems like a wonderful addition. When I started to focus more on keyboards, I sold my guitar gear (except for 1 guitar ;-)). That involved many stomp boxes, effects pedals and amplifiers and many guitars. Now that I see this again, it itches again ;-)). The SX-900 also has guitar options, but compared to the PaX5 this is very limited. The Korg is way above that in terms of possibilities, so what kb has a gadget or when it is a feature??  Other than that, I have no value judgments about it. Everyone has to decide that for themselves. So say, get 2 pay 1... Very tempting.... 

[terryB]

The guitar feature is a real great addition. This feature would be an attraction for me if I was into choosing a new keyboard from my genos. However I have to much invested in Yamaha's boards at present, so will see if they intend to go in this direction. It is possible to play guitar thro' the genos, but not in a dedicated way as is portrayed in the video. 
cheers Terry

[Jeff Hollande]

Thank you for the 2 other video links, Ton.
Very interesting !

You are absolutely right:  it is much more than a simple gadget.

BTW ... I like their new VH. The Yamaha VH2 needs an upgrade, IMHO 

I have to admit the PA5X looks to be a nice arranger keyboard.
It might become a commercial success.

It will not be easy for Yamaha to beat the PA5X - as far as some features are concerned -.
When we talk about sound quality in general, I believe even the 5 year older Genos might be the winner.
Recently someone said here : "  owning both arrangers ( PA5X and Genos ) would be a dream ".

CONCLUSION
01. I am sure most of us prefer to wait for the Genos2 (2025 technology !!! )  before making any final buying decision, I guess. Yamaha do not wait too long, plse !
02. At my age - after 22 years of Yami experience - I am not in the mood to learn a new arranger OS.
03. What about my huge Yamaha software collection ?  It is a golden treasure !
04. Last but not least ... what about my dear Yamaha friends and our great software makers ( free of charge ! ) ? Many of them are like family !
 

Take care, JH

[ton37]

Hi Jeff, you are right on a number of topics. Given my age (75+), I don't really allow myself all the time to wait. Yamaha does not communicate with their customers about what and when. So I just make my own plan. One consideration I'm leaning towards: I'll just buy the Pa5x (61). If something ever comes from Yamaha and that model would meet my needs even better (which I doubt at the moment, especially a 61 version) I'll just sell the Pa5x again. Well, I'm very eager to learn, so a new OS doesn't bother me. Yes, and the styles collection. Have thousands, but only use a fraction of them! I think that collecting styles is more 'greed' than being used! In addition, the Pa5x is very flexible to change styles. But I'll have to be patient until I can try one live. In any case, I always wait until it has been on the market for a few months and hopefully the biggest problems are gone. Then it is often better to estimate whether this Kb does what it promises ;-)

[soundphase]

Fascinating the way his left hand plays an added extension of his right hand.
Interesting technique.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voUmUAGoHqo

I asked the question on YT. And someone answered me that there is a feature on PA-5X allowing chords to be ONLY triggered when you play chord notes with a velocity level under a threshold.
That allows to use your left hand to play counterpoints (by playing with a velocity above this level) without chords changes are automatically triggered by the AI.

Sorry if my English is not perfect.

[Graham UK]

ton37. Regarding Learning A New OS.
I have owned over the years Roland & Korg & Yamaha. I did not have any problem learning a different OS.
If you treat each of them as giving you the same required end results.

It's like driving from A to B, the Sat-Nav may give you 3 options but you still finish up at B, just via different roads.

As we get older its about keeping ones brain active...I'm 85.

[ton37]

Thank you for the encouraging words @Graham. Fortunately, the white and black keys are in the same place as the Yamaha 

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Ton :

We can shake hands. I will be 75 at the end of October 2022. Time goes fast. We are both Dutch.

I remember the Tyros1 had been announced in 2001/2002 by Yamaha ; 6 months before the keyboard was finally available for sale in 2002. 
The Ty1 was so new then, modern, special, unique and beautiful. Everybody wanted to have a Tyros1. It was such a commercial success. WOW !

Due to the actual presence of the Korg PA5X, I am hoping the introduction of the Genos2 will follow very soon. 
When ? 61 or/and 76 keys ?
Only Yamaha can answer these questions. Nobody else.

If you should decide to go for the PA5X, I wish you good luck and a lot of fun, Ton.

As I said before it looks to be a very nice keyboard and Korg is a reliable manufacturer.   

Best regards, JH
 

[Duffy]

Hi Duffy,
While we can all enjoy making the comparisons between one keyboard and another - I have to say your comment about your health can put life into perspective and it was sad for me to read this. I sincerely wish you well and hope that you will be with us for all time to come. In the meantime enjoy all the days that is given to each of us and whatever gives us some enjoyment we should try and get it in abundance.
My best wishes to you and for you.
Jim

Hi Jim,
I'm sorry but I must have originally skipped past this post without seeing it because I have posted since then.
I just wanted to say thank you to you for kind and thoughtful words and for your good wishes.
I try to enjoy life as much as possible and my music is a very large part of that.
As I am too old to improve my playing skills any more, I rely on my boards sounding as good as they can be but there will soon be a time when it would be foolish to buy another.
I still love it all anyway and really enjoy the companionship of being on the forum.
Not as much fun as the hours I spent entertaining in pubs & clubs but it's a way of getting past the limitations of Covid.
Thanks again Jim. My very best wishes to you.

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Guys :

It looks like the PA5X becomes more and more popular day by day.

I hope Yamaha will come with a PA5X answer very, very soon.
It would be wonderful to see and hear the Genos2 before the end of 2022 for delivery early 2023.

Wishful thinking ? Am I dreaming ?
I hope not !!!

Best wishes, JH

[Duffy]

I fully agree with you Jeff.  I saw an early promise in the PA5X and now, having seen much more of it in action, I consider it a top class board.
Korg have knocked so many nails on the head with this and I really do think that Yamaha don't have as much time as they thought to address this Genos challenger.
If it were not for the fact that I have never used the Korg O.S. I would probably have ordered one already as it fulfils so many of my personal wishes all in one go.

[ton37]

I'm considering that too @Duffy, but there are still far too many flaws in the OS of the new Korg. Have a look at the Korg forum. That is actually to be expected with such a new model/OS. Nowadays it is common for a (software) product to be brought onto the market that is not yet completely finished. At what rate and whether this will all be resolved is always the question. Yamaha is also guilty of this and updates/fixes often take a long time (if they come?). The Pa5x practically meets all my needs (and even more than that) so I'll look when I think the time is right to buy it. But that will probably be a few months away. And about another OS: for years I had all the Technics models. When they stopped one had no choice to buy another brand with another OS. So a few years I'm a Yammie, but no problem to change to another OS. It's nowadays all about software: your TV, smartphone, car, microwave etc. etc. So, for the time being I love my SX900 till ... 

[Graham UK]

Duffy. Don't let the Korg OS put you off. You will have had the same learning when you obtain your first Yamaha,
A little bit of frustrated learning Korg OS will pay dividends...Korg have done a number how to Videos Manuals

Regarding Learning A New OS.   (As per my article above.)
I have owned over the years Roland & Korg & Yamaha. I did not have any problem learning a different OS.
If you treat each of them as giving you the same required end results.
It's like driving from A to B, the Sat-Nav may give you 3 options but you still finish up at B, just via different roads.
As we get older it's about keeping one's brain active...I'm 85.

Korg Video Manuals.]

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=korg+Pa5X+tutorials

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Duffy :

Apparently you are not the only one who is seriously interested in the new competitor's high end keyboard.

I feel sorry to believe Yamaha have no answer yet.
What is going on there  ?
Why no news ?
I am worried !

JH

[usaraiya]

Jeff,

When Genos was released, Korg did not respond immediately; it took them five years to respond!
So, I think Yamaha will respond when the new G2 is entirely ready to be released, not earlier, and I think it will be great!
Good things come to people who wait. (I don't think Confucious said that!)

[Jeff Hollande]

The PA4X came in 2015, the Genos in 2017.
JH

[usaraiya]

So, the 5X comes in 2022, and it took 5 years for Korg to respond from 2017.

[valimaties]

So, the 5X comes in 2022, and it took 5 years for Korg to respond from 2017.

It was a pandemic time, so make a little adjustment

[ton37]

Good calculation. The Genos was a new model from scratch for Yamaha, just as the Pa5x is for Korg. In other words, it shouldn't be too difficult for Yamaha to put down a good competitor based on the Genos. The Pa5x is on the dissection table by Yamaha. Now the designers are of course working hard to adjust a few things to give a good answer to this top-korg. They probably need a little less than 2 years. Only I don't expect that there will be a 61-key version and I don't really expect that there will be many 'wishes' fulfilled n the Genos 2?? Time will tell.... Good things come to those who wait, ... but only whats left from those who hustle!" (Abe Lincoln)

[Jeff Hollande]

Hey Ton :

It is hard to believe we have to wait another couple of years before the Genos2 will be released.

Sorry ... the new Genos2 has to be presented at the end of 2022 and be available for sale early 2023 to avoid Korg will be too successful.

Cross my fingers !
Best wishes, JH