The Genos 2

[Mike2]

Anyone have any ideas as to when, maybe the next genos Keyboard by Yamaha would come out.  I have the Genos, and am very happy with it.  But like a child, I am waiting for the next Keyboard by Yamaha to be out.  If someone 3 month ago would of asked me about buying the next Yamaha Genos, I would of said NO!  But enjoying the Genos I have, and thinking, what would the next one sound like?  This Covid thing has taught me allot and travelling is not my thing right now.  I Stay put, and safe, but most of all, I say, Do what you love the most about music, and that's playing it. I love the Genos I have, it's Great.  I just cannot imagine how much I would enjoy the next one. Yes cost is an issue, but at 73, and playing, enjoying what I now have ,. it would be awesome knowing the next Genos would sound and be even better than what I now have.. I figure, if I can get $3500 for my now used Genos, and a new one lets say, cost $6000, $2500 is not that high for the new one..  Used cars are selling like hot cakes, why not musical instruments??  Just excited about the prospect and eventually, the next Genos keyboard.

[Fred Smith]

You won't see a Genos 2 for at least 2 years.

Cheers,
Fred

[Toril S]

So enjoy Genos1 and save up some more money. Genos2 will be very expensive!!

[Divemaster]

Anyone have any ideas as to when, maybe the next genos Keyboard by Yamaha would come out.  I have the Genos, and am very happy with it.  But like a child, I am waiting for the next Keyboard by Yamaha to be out.  If someone 3 month ago would of asked me about buying the next Yamaha Genos, I would of said NO!  But enjoying the Genos I have, and thinking, what would the next one sound like?  This Covid thing has taught me allot and travelling is not my thing right now.  I Stay put, and safe, but most of all, I say, Do what you love the most about music, and that's playing it. I love the Genos I have, it's Great.  I just cannot imagine how much I would enjoy the next one. Yes cost is an issue, but at 73, and playing, enjoying what I now have ,. it would be awesome knowing the next Genos would sound and be even better than what I now have.. I figure, if I can get $3500 for my now used Genos, and a new one lets say, cost $6000, $2500 is not that high for the new one..  Used cars are selling like hot cakes, why not musical instruments??  Just excited about the prospect and eventually, the next Genos keyboard.

Yep. That says it all to me too. My wife and I will be staying put from now on.
Travel has become too unpredictable. I doubt we will ever fly or cruise again.
We'll spend the money on music instead.

I'm actually looking at the Bohm Sempra SE10.
Eye wateringly expensive, but their organ pedigree is unmatched.

About the same price as a family holiday.......

[soundphase]

New photos on internet, for Korg PA5X seem real.

[Mike2]

Well, if it's 2 years, at my age that time goes by fast. Sometimes I think that how can Yamaha improve the sound quality? It's like HD and 4K, UHD, I wear glasses and it's hard to tell the difference between 4K and UHD. But I never doubt technology, it's always finding ways to improve. I'm sure Yamaha has the next keyboard already planned out.  So yes, I will enjoy my Genos, until the next one comes out.  The better question is, how many of you Genos owners now, would trade for the next Genos 2?

[EileenL]

I would want to know what is on it first and if it is something I would use.

[keynote]

So yes, I will enjoy my Genos, until the next one comes out.  The better question is, how many of you Genos owners now, would trade for the next Genos 2?

Depends on what improvements Genos 2 has over the current Genos. Many users on this forum have requested new features and functions and so we'll see if Yamaha implements any of the aforementioned. My current wish list is 256 note polyphony (or greater) across the entire range of the keyboard. As it stands now 128 is devoted strictly to the main system voices and 128 is devoted strictly to the Expansion voices. To be able to utilize 256 notes you would have to include voices, etc., from both venues which is inconvenient and limiting by design. Never hurts to have more polyphony on hand in case your compositions, etc., are quite comprehensive and polyphony intensive. 512 note polyphony would really be the bee's knees but that's probably several years down the road in my opinion. As to when we'll see a Genos successor is anyone's guess. I'm thinking sometime in 2023 or 2024. The worldwide silicon chip shortage is still ongoing. The global pandemic has probably also been a huge setback for the production, assembly, and distribution of new products. The supply chain crisis isn't helping either needless to say.

If the Genos 2 (or whatever Yamaha decides to call it) meets or beats expectations I will gladly plunk down the necessary greenbacks and be the first in line to get one. FYI, I was probably the first one in California, USA to purchase the Genos when it was released to the public. I only live about 90 miles from Yamaha USA in Buena Park, CA so that's probably why Guitar Center had a couple right off the bat. Winter NAMM of course has been rescheduled until June 2022. Perhaps the rumors about a Korg PA-5x will be showcased? It gives Korg more time to prepare a launch if in fact the rumors are true. Competition is always a good thing. PS: I'm fully expecting Yamaha to release a 61 KEY VERSION of the Genos 2 this time around. And they'll probably sell like hotcakes. I myself perfer 76 keys or even an 88 key version if it's not too heavy.   

[Toril S]

Well, yesterday I bought myself a brand new accordion!

[Del]

Well, yesterday I bought myself a brand new accordion!

Does it have a transpose button on it Toril  lol

[J. Larry]

Now, that the "new" has worn off the Genos, somewhat, with fewer showcase videos displaying its features, wonder what Martin Harris and Peter Baartmans might be up to?  Maybe behind closed doors working on upgrades.  Come to think of it, what do they actually do at Yamaha, other than recording demo videos and showcasing/promoting new models at music stores?

[Toril S]

Del, no, unfortunately it does not! 😀😀😀😀😀

[EileenL]

Martin Harris is on the design team and has a very large part in the end product.

[mikf]

Typically the sound improvement from model to subsequent model is quite modest although those improvements add up over time. So 2 or 3 models down the line it can be quite marked. But there will also be new or additional features, and maybe a change in look, so if any of these new features are important to you, that may drive you to upgrade. Or you may prefer the look, or just fancy a change to the latest and greatest. But most owners don't rush to move to the next model. The vast majority of buyers will be to people new to arrangers, people with much older models, or upgrading lesser models.
Divemaster - not traveling ever again is a pretty drastic decision. I don't know your age, and i know it may seem that way right now, but I will bet you don't hold to this once things change - and they will. Everything moves on.
Mike   

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
It is about time for us to get exited again about Genos 3
Before world war 3

[Wim]

Korg is soon coming with the new Korg PX5. The last time when  Korg brought the PX4 on the market. Not long after Genos apeared.
rgds
Wim

[rodrigo.b]

Korg is soon coming with the new Korg PX5. The last time when  Korg brought the PX4 on the market. Not long after Genos apeared.
rgds
Wim

Are you sure that Korg is coming with Pa5x?

[DJIncendration]

Are you sure that Korg is coming with Pa5x?

Yes, it's already out. Also, about the Genos2, I hope they add the USB audio interface like they have on the PSR-SX600. It's a feature that would really be useful for me because I wouldn't have to ask for help with recording; I could just connect it to my laptop and start recording in my audio editor. I can do that on my SX600, but on the Genos, it's not there, which is a shame. Looking forward to see what they put on the Genos2!

[Jeff Hollande]

Genos2 - Rumour or True ? Pure Speculation ? 

Last Saturday I have been told Yamaha would come with a complete new Styles Structure ( Genos2 ) ?
I wonder ...

Best wishes, JH

[Lee Batchelor]

Genos2 - Rumour or True ? Pure Speculation ? 
Last Saturday I have been told Yamaha would come with a complete new Styles Structure ( Genos2 ) ?
I wonder ...
Best wishes, JH

I don't doubt your word for one moment, Jeff. Like myself, you have a very honest face 🤣. Is your source of this information credible or speculative? Where did he or she get this information. Can you expand on this? Thanks.

For Genos 2, there is a very lengthy wish list from forum members. If Yamaha were to include all our suggestions, you wouldn't see Genos 2 for about 10 years 🙃.

[EileenL]

Don't believe all you are told. Wait until we see  the new flagship then we will know for ourselves.

[Jeff Hollande]

Hi Lee :

Thank you for your comments.

My source : an old Yamaha friend of mine.
He is a member of a local Yamaha arranger club in The Netherlands.

I have no idea where this rumour or speculation comes from. I cannot check it, sorry.

Eileen is absolutely right : we have to wait for the Genos' successor presented by Yamaha.

Best regards, JH

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks, Jeff. Good to know. At least the current Genos is still a very powerful tool. It's far from being obsolete.

As a sidebar, I just finished 6 shows in the past 10 days. In those shows, I used a lot of strings, sax, and brass voices. I don't use the arranger capabilities of the Genos for these bands. I've received 4 compliments on the sounds. People wonder "where all those brass players are on stage." Even the sound guy said he had never heard such authentic brass sounds before!

[Jeff Hollande]

Thank you for your reply, Lee.

Great to hear your 6 shows were successful !

It looks like there will come a brand new high end Yamaha arranger keyboard that will succeed the Genos, am I right ?
When will the new arranger be launched ?
How will it be called ?
How will it look like ?
Which new features and applications will be added or replaced ?

Nobody can answer these questions except Yamaha.

As usual, Yamaha will not talk about their new flagship until it is ready for distribution, IMHO.

In the meantime you are enjoying your Genos and ... all of us are expected to be patient.
 

All the best, JH

[stephenm52]

Thanks, Jeff. Good to know. At least the current Genos is still a very powerful tool. It's far from being obsolete.

As a sidebar, I just finished 6 shows in the past 10 days. In those shows, I used a lot of strings, sax, and brass voices. I don't use the arranger capabilities of the Genos for these bands. I've received 4 compliments on the sounds. People wonder "where all those brass players are on stage." Even the sound guy said he had never heard such authentic brass sounds before!

Lee, that's a great testimony to the power of the Genos, thanks for posting that comment.

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks all. Yes, the Genos can still hold its own and really stands out among other keyboards.

[pjd]

Genos2 - Rumour or True ? Pure Speculation ? 

Last Saturday I have been told Yamaha would come with a complete new Styles Structure ( Genos2 ) ?

Hi --

I agree with Francesco. They may be referring to the Unison and Adaptive styles in both the SX600 and DGX-670.

Thanks to Mark, I took a look at the guts of a few DGX-670 Adaptive styles. A style file is like a briefcase with different pockets. One pocket is standard MIDI, one pocket is OTS and another pocket is CASM. Adaptive styles add a new pocket named "Cmbi".

Likely, future products will have Unison and Adaptive style features. Adaptive styles will contain the extra binary stuff (Cmbi) needed to be adaptive. However, I would expect compatibility with regular (legacy) style files, too.

Nothing to be concerned about. Yamaha always seem to extend the road forward without leaving the old road system behind (to use a different analogy).

All the best -- pj

[keynote]

Here's the release timeline of the Tyros & Genos.

The Yamaha Tyros 1 was launched in 2002
The Yamaha Tyros 2 was launched in 2005
The Yamaha Tyros 3 was launched in 2008
The Yamaha Tyros 4 was launched in 2010
The Yamaha Tyros 5 was launched in 2013
And most recently, the Yamaha Genos was launched in 2017.

The biggest 'gap' between releases is of course the Tyros 5 and Genos i.e. 4 years. The Genos will be FIVE YEARS on the market this coming November. But that is probably due to the new Yamaha Japan CEO/President & the new Yamaha USA CEO/President. At Yamaha Corporation of America, Hitoshi Fukutome was the predecessor to the new and current President Tom Sumner. Sumner became President in April 2018. Hitoshi and Sumner worked together for five years prior to Sumner becoming President and during that time Hitoshi taught Sumner that showing patience and pacing the organization achieved the best results. That's probably why we haven't seen a Genos II (or new Montage) knocking at our door yet. At Yamaha headquarters in Japan, Takuya Nakata is the current Director, President, and Representative Executive Officer since June 2017. So we have at least two new high-level executives running Yamaha's products, research, and development going forward.  As a side note, Yamaha Electronic Musical Instruments, Inc.'s Location/Foundation is in Tianjin, China. As we know the Genos was manufactured in China and will probably be the same for Genos II or whatever it's called. OTOH, the Korg Pa5X is manufactured in Italy. The Pa5X has an aluminum casing and apparently, it's built like a tank. Yamaha might give the Genos II an aluminum casing which would make it heavier than the current Genos but more durable of course. We'll probably also see a 61-key Genos 2. We're going on five years now since the Genos was released but with the new President(s) at Yamaha Japan & USA, it could be quite a while before we see a Genos successor or a Montage successor for that matter. It appears Yamaha may have restructured its business model due to the advice given by Hitoshi Fukutome.  Hopefully, Yamaha will listen to Genos owners' various ideas and wishes, and perhaps the Genos successor will surpass our highest expectations... in a couple of years. Although now that Korg released the Pa5X Yamaha could put their noses to the grindstone and maybe will see Genos 2 early next year. At Winter NAMM 2023? Note: Keyboard products are usually announced at the Winter NAMM shows.🤞

All the best,
Mike 

[Lee Batchelor]

Thanks for the info, Mike. Very informative.

As for the case, the Tyros cases were plastic and very robust and cleanable. I traded my T5 in for the Genos and the T5 was in mint shape. Not so with the current Genos. The case and buttons are pure garbage. There's no need to go to a metal case. We don't need the extra weight, unless Yamaha still favors the home players and could care less about the gigging players. Give us a G2 with a decent plastic case. There you go, the best of both worlds 😀.

[Gunnar Jonny]

At least the current Genos is still a very powerful tool. It's far from being obsolete.

Very true, and then it make me wonder why so many asking for a Genos 2. 
I'm going to keep my Genos and add the new PA, that way I will have the best of two brands. One very familiar, and one to explore.
It will probably not make me a better player, but at least I can pretend to be.
And, the cost will probably end up to be quite equal...