Audio Styles SX

[Enildo]

Hello everybody!

Guys, I'm missing Audio Styles, especially Batucada, which didn't come with a version on the SX models.
BrazilianBossa can say that it is not the same as the version in Audio Style.
I think Audio Styles should go on, and have an editable version of the style so that they want to change something.

Enildo

[EileenL]

You can download all the Audio styles that were in Tyros 5 on the Genos download site. They will worl in SX900 but you have to load them into YEM first and load to Keyboard. You can then save them one at a time to a USB stick and then you can remove from Expansion memory on keyboard.

[Pino]

Never touched them
Never played them

Slow loading
Non editable
Glad their gone
Don't want them back

Surely you can find a midi file and make your own style
Or edit a ready made style.
Then you can edit and change as you want.

Pino

[EileenL]

I do not think this is what the member was asking. That is only your personal opinion.

[Enildo]

You can download all the Audio styles that were in Tyros 5 on the Genos download site. They will worl in SX900 but you have to load them into YEM first and load to Keyboard. You can then save them one at a time to a USB stick and then you can remove from Expansion memory on keyboard.

Thanks Eileen for your help, I tried this, but it seems that there is no Batucada or BrazilianBossa.

Enildo

[Enildo]

Never touched them
Never played them

Slow loading
Non editable
Glad their gone
Don't want them back

Surely you can find a midi file and make your own style
Or edit a ready made style.
Then you can edit and change as you want.

Pino

Pino, if you have the opportunity, listen to BrazilianBossa audio style and BrazilianBossa from SX, to feel the difference. The audio style is more real.
The downside is that it was not editable, but I still like it a lot.
Regarding the slow loading, I think the difference is 1 second, in relation to the midi styles.

Enildo

[Enildo]

I see a lot of people complaining about editing audio styles. Think, how many styles you use on the keyboard without making any kind of editing, you simply press play and start.
Besides, what you can't edit in audio styles is just the drums, the rest is editable.
I see no reason to demonize audio styles.

[Pino]

Enildo,
Yes, some of them audio styles did sound good
Midi styles can sound amazing also, if tuned and balanced .

Audio styles are a pain to work with
Midi styles are a pleasure to work with

There are so many options with midi and so may programmes for editing, exciting.
All my gig styles are edited to the MAX.

I'm sure you'll find what your looking for, good luck.

Pino

[Pino]

I think Audio Styles should go on, and have an editable version of the style so that they want to change something.

Enildo

Eileen,
I was replying to the above comment

Pino

[beykock]

There might be a reason why Yamaha decided not to continue to build in audio styles in their newest arranger keyboards like the Genos and the SX serie.

Up to now I do not know why this decision has been taken and I wonder if most arranger keyboard players are missing these audio styles.

Babette

[Enildo]

Pino, I respect your opinion, but why did yamaha not keep the "Batucada" style in midi, in the Genos and SX?
My suspicion is that they were unable to make a style that would replace the audio style. The BrazilianBossa audio, for me, was the best style of Bossa Nova that yamaha has ever made. Before we had to record or edit the styles to partner with our Brazilian Bossa. The Batucada audio style, for me, was something unimaginable that they could do. My musician friends listened and did not believe it was an internal style of yamaha, which I take my hat off. Just because you don't like audio styles, or other people don't like audio styles, it doesn't mean that it's bad.
The batucada style is a really complex style to make using midis tools (I mean the drums). I will not say that it is impossible, but I challenge someone to show the same style here compared to the audio style. I am speaking within my experience, as a musician and as a Brazilian. I wouldn't dare to say that a Romanian, Arabic or Turkish style is fine, if a native musician from one of these countries says it sucks.

Enildo

[Enildo]

Another detail,
One thing does not cancel the other. What's wrong with having both, audio and midi styles?
As I said, I never had any problems with the audio styles, because if I wanted to, I could just remove the audio drums and record my midi drums.
Where's the biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig problem in that?

Are my considerations,
Enildo

[Aquilauno]

Hi Enildo,

I think it's just a marketing choice ... for to sell something more.

In fact, what was once inside the keyboard, now we have to buy it 

https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/latin-audio-styles-7

[Enildo]

Hi Enildo,

I think it's just a marketing choice ... for to sell something more.

In fact, what was once inside the keyboard, now we have to buy it 

https://eu.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/latin-audio-styles-7

Hello Aquilauno,
Yes, I know that Music Soft is selling. Thank you for showing this here on the forum.
I think I will be forced to buy, what I had before!
Funk pop is also a style I miss, I'm using FunkyShuffle, but it's not the same.
At the very least they could have left the option to download without having to pay for them, as it is nothing new.
If it wasn't important and if yamaha knows that audio styles are not good, why are they selling now?

Enildo

[overover]

Hi Enildo,

if you haven't tested Onacimus "Unique Styles Collection for Tyros5 & Genos" yet:

Go to https://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/Tyros5/tyros_5.html and scroll down to the previously mentioned section.

For example, the converted S970 Audio Style "Batacuda" is in the zip file "07A-Latin-PSR4T5&GN.zip", and the converted version of "FunkPop" is in the file "05-R&B-PSR4T5&GN.zip".


Best regards,
Chris

[Enildo]

Hi Enildo,

if you haven't tested Onacimus "Unique Styles Collection for Tyros5 & Genos" yet:

Go to https://psrtutorial.com/sty/yamaha/Tyros5/tyros_5.html and scroll down to the previously mentioned section.

For example, the converted S970 Audio Style "Batacuda" is in the zip file "07A-Latin-PSR4T5&GN.zip", and the converted version of "FunkPop" is in the file "05-R&B-PSR4T5&GN.zip".


Best regards,
Chris

Hi Chris!
Thank you so much for your help.
I know that Onacimus does a great job for this forum, as well as for the Yamaha keyboard in general, I tested both styles, Batucada and FunkPop edited by him, and are far from the quality of the audio styles.
I even rejoiced at your news, but when I heard it I was sad again! 
Make the comparison by listening to the styles edited by Onacimus on your keyboard and listen to the audio demonstration in Music Soft:

https://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/latin-audio-styles-7?___store=us_retail_es&

https://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/style-files/pop-and-rock-audio-styles-4

Greetings,
Enildo

[Enildo]

In the northeast of Brazil, we have a very famous style called Forró (there is a great variety with many variations of this style) and yamaha even added it in the Latin section, but I want to inform you that I don't know what music fits with this forró from keyboard. I live in the Northeast, I play several songs in forró at my shows, because it is played here a lot, but I play in styles recorded by myself or others, because this yamaha forró passes miles away from something I know.
The Brazilian_s970 Pack brought many improvements, it is true, and there are many things that can be enjoyed, but with respect to the styles Forró1, Forró2, Xote and Baião, Vanera still leaves much to be desired.
It really surprises me with these two audio styles (Batucada and Brazilian Bossa Nova), as they are two styles that really deserve applause for yamaha. I am real, I would not be able to record satisfactorily on the keyboard, a style like batucada, with midi tools.
Perhaps the best solution is for me to buy them on Music Soft.

Greetings,
Enildo

[BogdanH]

hello,

... I play several songs in forró at my shows, because it is played here a lot, but I play in styles recorded by myself or others, because this yamaha forró passes miles away from something I know...

I'm not that familiar with Brasilian music and know even less about forro (so I can't really have an opinion on related styles), but I know exactly what you mean. I admit I'm not good keyboard player, however I'm big lover of real music all over the world.  When I say "real", I mean the music as it's played by actual bands in those countries.
Of course, I'm especially sensitive to music that's popular around my country (middle europe). Yamaha has many "european" packs available: west-south-italy-iberian-balkan.. But those styles don't reflect how music is actually played here. In reality, bands that play popular music here are made of  3, or max 4 musicians. Most styles however sound like orchestra is playing. Yes, I can turn off "annoying" strings pads etc. But when I end up with only 3 channels (that represent actual musicians), I realize nothing much is left: only very simple drum and bass pattern with added simple phrase patterns -is not even close to how a real 3 or 4 guys band entertain here. And I am talking about local "garage" bands.
Or Mexican / Norteno & Mariachi pack .. Doesn't matter what style titles say; there's not a single style that would sound like real huapango (as played by actual band) -not even close!
Most styles are just generic, having one purpose: to impress with "rich" sound when buying. You know what I mean.. "hey, I can play whole orchestra". But trust me, people prefer real 3- or 4-man band; not fake orchestra.
To conclude my thoughts: to sound authentic/realistic, we must create our own styles. We must assemble "our" band inside keyboard. Because at the end, that's what arranger keyboards are all about. Everything else is just karaoke.

Thank you for taking time to read this,
Bogdan

[BogdanH]

hi Pino,
uhm.. maybe I wasn't clear (or was I?).. when I say "people prefer" 3-4 man band, I don't mean because people can't afford to pay whole orchestra. What I meant is, 3-4 man band is enough for popular music nowadays. Actually, it ever was (think big names: Beatles, ELP, most country/blues bands..).
We all know what people think (including me) when they see "one man band" (arranger keyboard) playing: "eh, is all fake.. 90% is pre-recorded.." -especially(!) if he's playing "full orchestra".
At least here where I live, usually (local, "unknown") band consist of 3-4 people: usually drums, bass guitar, solo guitar and keyboard -if it's pop music band. And these 4 musicians (not professionals!) play pop music totally different (better, more authentic) than what I can get from predefined styles. How to say.. bass guitarist is actually "playing" and not just repeating pattern of two notes.
All what I was trying to say is: arranger keyboard can substitute (to certain degree) 3, or max. 4-man band. But only if styles are well done. I say well done, not perfectly done. When I make some style, many times I decide not to quantize all channels.. real music isn't that perfect.

At the end, we all perceive music differently... and there's no right or wrong 

Bogdan

[Pino]

Hi Bigdan
Yes, I did read your post again and I agree with you that most players go for the big band/orchestral songs, most have not studied how to play an arranger or understand enough about styles.
Most styles have 8 tracks of voices, these are just suggestions of what could be played as an accompaniment to the melody and never meant to be played all together.

I will try to record some songs with just 4 piece later and upload here

Pino

[Pino]

I don't want to go off topic and I will say that if I was Enildo looking for Brazilian styles then I would be looking at whatever was available be it Audio or Midi styles.

For myself, I find that I have enough excellent midi styles on my SX to perform a 3 hour show, the styles on todays keyboards are just excellent, problem is players spent too much of their time collecting styles and concentrating on the technical side when they could be spending more time working on good playing skills.

Here is 2 tracks using the onboard styles.  WorshipSlow & Frankly Soul.
Drums - Bass - Rhythm Guitar - Lead Guitar.

Pino

https://app.box.com/s/g6o7opadmrd8q9mx90apqf2fa920zwqk

[BogdanH]

...problem is players spent too much of their time collecting styles and concentrating on the technical side when they could be spending more time working on good playing skills.

I quite agree on that, even it includes me partially too. That is, I need to practice more! Because "good" style alone won't make my music any better -I need to repeat that to myself more often, though 
As for collecting styles.. I stopped doing that quite soon after I realized most are redundant and at the end I kept only about 10 of them. I mean, how many music genres do I play?
And finally, I really enjoy making my own style now and then. To inspire some of you, take a look at this video (is not mine!):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHid9D1VCp4

Bogdan

[Enildo]

Yamaha has many "european" packs available: west-south-italy-iberian-balkan.. But those styles don't reflect how music is actually played here. In reality, bands that play popular music here are made of  3, or max 4 musicians. Most styles however sound like orchestra is playing. Yes, I can turn off "annoying" strings pads etc. But when I end up with only 3 channels (that represent actual musicians), I realize nothing much is left: only very simple drum and bass pattern with added simple phrase patterns -is not even close to how a real 3 or 4 guys band entertain here. And I am talking about local "garage" bands.
Or Mexican / Norteno & Mariachi pack .. Doesn't matter what style titles say; there's not a single style that would sound like real huapango (as played by actual band) -not even close!
Most styles are just generic, having one purpose: to impress with "rich" sound when buying. You know what I mean.. "hey, I can play whole orchestra". But trust me, people prefer real 3- or 4-man band; not fake orchestra.
To conclude my thoughts: to sound authentic/realistic, we must create our own styles. We must assemble "our" band inside keyboard. Because at the end, that's what arranger keyboards are all about. Everything else is just karaoke.

Thank you for taking time to read this,
Bogdan

Hello,
Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
The good thing about PRSs today is that we can make our own styles and use samples of real instruments to further enrich them. Audio styles do this. A well-recorded drum will never compare with a midi drum (today), it is different. Some people complain about not being able to edit, but sometimes you just have to increase or decrease the volume of the track and increase or decrease the time. And if you want to change the audio drum, delete it and record a midi drum.

Enildo

[Enildo]

I don't want to go off topic and I will say that if I was Enildo looking for Brazilian styles then I would be looking at whatever was available be it Audio or Midi styles.

For myself, I find that I have enough excellent midi styles on my SX to perform a 3 hour show, the styles on todays keyboards are just excellent, problem is players spent too much of their time collecting styles and concentrating on the technical side when they could be spending more time working on good playing skills.

Here is 2 tracks using the onboard styles.  WorshipSlow & Frankly Soul.
Drums - Bass - Rhythm Guitar - Lead Guitar.

Pino

Thanks for your comment and for the demo, Pino,
Try recording this with your SX midis drums and show us the result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXATynpUtX8

There are things that cannot be done, at least these days.
That's why I defend audio styles.

Enildo

[Enildo]

That is, I need to practice more! Because "good" style alone won't make my music any better -I need to repeat that to myself more often, though

As I always say, one thing does not cancel the other.
You will be able to continue practicing more and more, and use a good style to present yourself in a better audience.
If you were like that, everyone would be satisfied with the old PSR 510 and nobody would buy the new Genos, SX keyboards, etc ...
it would be enough to practice and everything would be perfect.
It is a sum of the Musician + Machine.

Greetings,
Enildo

[Telmo]

Hello Aquilauno,
Yes, I know that Music Soft is selling. Thank you for showing this here on the forum.
I think I will be forced to buy, what I had before!
Funk pop is also a style I miss, I'm using FunkyShuffle, but it's not the same.
At the very least they could have left the option to download without having to pay for them, as it is nothing new.
If it wasn't important and if yamaha knows that audio styles are not good, why are they selling now?

Enildo

Hi Enildo, here is the free download Links: https://www.mediafire.com/file/a3pvu1ze4242gg6/A.Style_Latin_Genos.ppf/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1ecdko4hycr6ib7/latin-audio-styles.ppf/file

[Pino]

Enildo
Wouldn't Band in a Box" be useful to you, Audio styles etc?

Pino

[Aquilauno]

Thanks Telmo...  when my sx900  come back from the "hospital" I will listen 

[Enildo]

Enildo
Wouldn't Band in a Box" be useful to you, Audio styles etc?

Pino

I didn't understand what you meant ...
Can you explain in other words?

[Enildo]

Hi Enildo, here is the free download Links: https://www.mediafire.com/file/a3pvu1ze4242gg6/A.Style_Latin_Genos.ppf/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/1ecdko4hycr6ib7/latin-audio-styles.ppf/file

Thanks for your help Telmo, but this pack doesn't have the Batucada style.

Greetings,
Enildo