YEM Content Explorer v2

[elad770]

If you don't agree with copyright policies, prices, etc., and need voice packs, study, get your 1000 Euros and buy equipment to make your own samples and styles.
I am not being coarse in my words, but it is the solution.
You will no longer need anyone and you can start putting your ideas into practice, sharing your material free of charge.

Greetings,
Enildo

You don't need to use coarse words just because you disagree. Its called being civil and polite.

As I said, I have everything I need and I simply don't buy Cpf packs anymore.

Also, what's the point of buying the equipment if at the end of the day and Vst and plug-ins are not created buy me either way and probably will be immoral to resell or distribute right? Lol

I only consider those who truly sample their own sounds from scratch. They are the only one who worth top $$$ like for example CMS.
Also , those who create sounds and voices don't do it because that's their main income. You are not Hans Zimmer yet!
Most hobbyist that will do that and ultimately sell do it because they live doing that. Which also explain why big part of them will share their creation free of charge or just ask for donation

[Enildo]

You don't need to use coarse words just because you disagree. Its called being civil and polite.

I just explained that I'm not being rude in my words, so you don't get it wrong, because we are not expressing ourselves in a spoken language,
sometimes what we write seems to have a tone of rudeness.
I just emphasized that so you don't get me wrong.
Some people take discussions personally and see the other as an enemy, just out of a misunderstood comment or contrary opinion.
In the most respect your opinion.

[elad770]

Ok, Good! 

I dont like when people take things personal and I do understand the limitation of certain translators.
I welcome every opinion and I'm glad we have this discussion.
I will never buy Korg because to my ear yamaha has better sounds

I think that for Genos 2 the transfer of files will be as fast as Copy Paste
Then, people will get frustrated with cpf limitations and someone will find a bypass and content creator will have to reinvent themselves.
Either way the consumer will gain from it

[Joe H]

Hey elad770,

Here's an idea for you...

Why don't you post a download link for some software, style files or custom Voices that you personally spent many hours working on and that required special skills and knowledge to create; and let everyone download your work for FREE. 

It seems you are asking that of others. Yamaha pay professional musicians to create styles, pay professional sound engineers to mix the styles and pay sound designers to create custom Voice packs (which requires a lot of skill and knowledge and is not so easy).  Yamaha make a huge investment of time and money... the idea that these files should be free is preposterous.

I have personally creating many styles (which I have shared on the forum) and one custom Voice pack (which is for personal use only).  It took many long hours to produce reasonably good results.



Joe H

[elad770]

Joe, obviously I wasn't referring to those who are getting paid by Yamaha
You Guys keep bringing these examples but if you already did i would say
That Packs offered by Yamaha are Way overpriced and that's
Why after few years they simply giving them away for free.
Those creators who paid by Yamaha get paid for their services and care less whether you buy the content or no which leaves us with Yamaha. I care less about Yamaha's Revenue from voices and styles! With the Revenue Yamaha made last year they should pay for sound designers and GIVING THEM AWAY FOR FREE! Especially for Genos and other flagship model users.  Best marketing strategy ever! They just Gave a premium pack for free with the recent update.  I say: they should keep doing that!
More people will buy yamaha keyboards JUST for those packs!.

I'm talking about the 3rd party entities who don't have ANYTHING to do with yamaha. They need to allow us more flexibility with their products and if they DONT like Vali said: I don't really own it I just temporarily using it, So price it accordingly! That is, cheap!

Joe, you are actually the perfect example:
No one Asked you
No one forced you
No one is paying you to seat and design anything!

You do it because you like it and you are probably talented as well
That is all to it! And you just said yourself that you shared your work before.  So it exist right? Good , talented people like you exist!!!
What about this guy Francesco Massa . He uploaded over the years (including in an old website he had) by far the BEST content I have EVER heard! I tried to offer donation he refused. So , not everyone are in the money making business from styles and sounds. Even Jen offer a ton of content for the money. I tried to send him money but he declined!
Some people are humble and kind and want to contribute to the community. Not everyone feels he must make so much money because he/she invested So....Much..... time and effort.
I dont do it because I don't know how. Your question is not Valid because there are other things I part way with without any return. In my case is $$$
Do you know how many times , including few members in this forum I went into people's YouTube channel and offered to support their work?
So....I'm sorry, I disagree with you.

I would make an experiment,  Seriously and I wish administrators will think about it:

Have a member like Joe to be allowed a tiny PayPal icon attached to his user name to indicate that this is a content contributer and content creator and donations are welcome.  Then, Try to upload a unique content like a style or a voice you've created and share it with everyone and simply ask members to show their support if they wish. You'll see how much money you'll make from 1 , yes,  1 style! Or 1 voice.

Make an experiment,  I call the administrators to allow us such experiment.  This will be the biggest and most amazing thing this forum ever did

[elad770]

Make a Campaign and gather the best content creator on this forum
Its probably 10-15 or even more VERY talented sound designers
Announce them and allow them to upload unique content or whatever they want and attach a PayPal icon to their names.

This forum will explode from a very rich content and those people will be appreciated as well. But as I said, make experiment with one and see how it goes.

[Joe H]

... I'm talking about the 3rd party entities who don't have ANYTHING to do with yamaha ...

3rd party developers are very talented people and deserve to make money for their hard work!

Vali has a donation button on his software, but only one person that I know of has made a donation to Vali for his hard work and skills.

Several other forum member programmers also accept donations.  Even this forum accepts donations, but the owner would rather you buy a USB stick with files on it as a way to support this website.

I have no more to say about this subject.

Regards,
Joe H

[valimaties]

Ok, I think this forum post has become other thing than its purpose!

Please don't fight here

I think I was very clear about my intentions!

PS: Thank you for those which donate on my software! 🙏
PS2: Lets be friends and lets be calm in this days, when this pandemic is over the world!


Regards,
Vali

[elad770]

Vali,
No one is fighting. It's a discussion and difference of opinions.
It was respectful and no one said anything aggressive.
These type of discussions are very important.

P.s just so you know, I currently don't use your software because I need time to get use to it. I didn't really understand until now what is the major benefit. This is my fault because I didn't have the time to explore it yet
I wish someone will do nice video tutorials about the great features you offer. Thank you for contributing your time and knowledge to the community.
P.s when I first saw your software and downloaded it I couldn't figure it out and Uninstalled it. But I really wanted to donate. The PayPal button
Is new to me and I never seen it before. Did you have this button
On previous versions? Either way, im sending a donation!
Thank you!

[valimaties]

"Fighting" with words, that was the meaning

This soft is not doing such BIG things like MixMaster, Registration Manager or other "multi softs" of Jorgen, which I must tell that are a big improvement for Yamaha music world!

There are some basic functions, which are described in first post.
I came in help of those users which uses StyleMagicYA, with a function that export details of sounds (Name, MSB-LSB-PC) in custom non-CPF packs in the format of IDL Editor (a little soft made by Thomas for its soft, StyleMagicYA).
The same thing, but now for MixMaster!
Those functions create some files which you can import in those softs (StyleMagicYA and MixMaster), and you will be able to see your custom content in those softs.
Two clicks, and "voila" (french )!

There is a function which export some content like, styles, registrations, midi files, texts, and so on, from non CPF pack. Yes, you can do that in your keyboard by installing the packs, copying from Expansion to User or USB, bla-bla... But why to install them in keyboard, when you can simply export that content directly from computer?!

There is the new Multi YEM Manager, which helps those which want to test some packs without altering the existing installation! This is also for those who sell packs, who wants to have an exact copy of an installation for specific clients.

There is the new Unlocking locked-voices function, which I don't want to talk about it more than has been talked !

There is a backup function, which will compress all your current installation into a 7z ultra compressed file. This function will be elaborated, and will have some options of subtracts some content from an archive and add to an existing installation!

The most active function I work for, is the Voice Editor. I want to make possible the option of copying Elements between voices, by replacing an element from a voice with an element from another voice... But right now I'm in the "thinking" process... ⏲️

I have three opened projects I work (two at my two jobs, and this one in my spare time)...

So I hope God keep me safety in these times to be able to finish what I've started! 🙏

Best regards
Vali

[mikf]

Elad makes an interesting point that because it is inevitable that people will eventually find a way, companies like Yamaha should accept this and make the architecture open. But this is not correct.
It is inevitable that people  will die, but I cannot not use this in my defense if I kill someone ... because the when and how matter a great deal.
It is true that it was inevitable that mp3 technology would disrupt the music business, but that does not mean the music companies were not right to fight its introduction until a way could be devised to best protect their business. The myth is that it only hurts fat cats who pile profits under their bed, but the facts is that most of the large companies are public, and the owners are ultimately us. We may not even know it, because they are buried in funds and pensions, but these things matter not just to a few, but to many.
The management of these companies don't just have right, but the responsibility to shareholders and often thousands of employees to protect the well being of that company as best they can, within moral and legal constraints.
And so with open architecture, ....some companies embrace it because they think it may benefit their business, some reject it because they think it will damage their business. In different circumstances they are probably both correct. And even where it is inevitable, they have a huge responsibility to manage the when and how, wherever they can, for most benefit to their company, and ultimately the public.
Mike

[Joe H]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "open architecture".  Apple designed a $1000 phone that allows 3rd party "apps".  (rather expensive phone I might add) Apps is just another word for VST "plug-ins", which was developed by Steinberg a long time ago for it's early MIDI sequencers.  Apps don't allow a 3rd party developer to access the actual operating system of the phone which is a host for the add-on.  Windows 10 has gone that route also.

Yamaha developed "expansion packs" for the arranger and later developed YEM so that keyboard owners and 3rd party developers can create expansion packs for the keyboards too. Expansion packs are a form of add-on.

Another form of open architecture is to "patch" a program or OS to add improvements and new features.  StyleMagic is an example that. Updates to the program are issued in the form of a patch that updates the licensed version you bought. The patch will not run on its own.

It appears that Yamaha is going in this direction too with its synthesizers and the Genos TOTL arranger. It is yet to be seen if such support will be for the sx900 too, (which appears to have a similar OS) and future PSR models that will follow.

It makes sense to have an OS that will allow new features and not just bug fixes.  Some of the apps for your phone are free and some you must pay for.  And like Apple who releases a new phone often, Yamaha might have to produce a new model arranger often to upgrade the hardware to support new features... which might require more physical buttons or connectors to interface with external hardware.

It all boils down to "return on investment" and is it profitable?

Joe H

[BogdanH]

Interesting thoughts, Joe...
If I understand correctly, you mean Yamaha might add/allow "apps" in future?.. that is, apps that would improve/extend existing keyboard OS capabilities? Apps for managing content or to simplify certain tasks?
Not that I'm against that (of course!), but I don't think that will ever happen. Yamaha uses extremely "closed" software model since ever. And from my experience (yes, have owned some Yamaha products in past), Yamaha will never publish API -which is a basis to make apps possible. Heck, they even keep secret stuff that's necessary to fully manage styles.
Yamaha isn't really interested to improve our "old" keyboards. If that would be the case, they could do that with firmware. And that never happened.. except with Genos 2.0 (is another topic why that exception). Take PSR-S770/970 vs PSR-S775/975 for example: Yamaha prefers to launch "new" keyboard -that gets more attention than firmware update.

As always, just sharing my thoughts 
Bogdan

PS:  My sincere apology to you Vali. I've been following this thread with interest, and promised myself not to "hijack" it with out-of-topic content. I'm really sorry -I've been just "pulled in".

[valimaties]

PS:  My sincere apology to you Vali. I've been following this thread with interest, and promised myself not to "hijack" it with out-of-topic content. I'm really sorry -I've been just "pulled in".

Stay calm Bogdan, it's Ok my friend!

Regards,
Vali

[Joe H]

... This soft is not doing such BIG things...
So I hope God keep me safety in these times to be able to finish what I've started! 🙏

Best regards
Vali

You have made a BIG contribution with YEM-CE v2. I'm very grateful for the work you have done.

   

Joe H

[valimaties]

You have made a BIG contribution with YEM-CE v2. I'm very grateful for the work you have done.

   

Joe H

Thank you Joe, my friend!



Best regards,
Vali

[chony]

Hi Vali,

I really appreciate the work you have done for the community.

I just discovered the waveform problem yesterday. I work with LOTS of REX files (which are drum voices) and this seems to be the problem.

I read read much the whole original thread on PSRTutorial and I have some questions about your software.

1. Any chance it will work on Mac

2. My understanding is that even if my REX file has only 4 samples (let's say a basic fill) YEM will create 88 (one for every key). Is that correct?

3. Does your program actually delete the unused waveforms? (This would easily solve my problem.)

4. Is there any way to permanently edit a pack (custom), so that the extra waveforms are permanently deleted? Or does this have to be done again and again.

Thank you,
Chony

[valimaties]

Hi Vali,

I really appreciate the work you have done for the community.

I just discovered the waveform problem yesterday. I work with LOTS of REX files (which are drum voices) and this seems to be the problem.

I read read much the whole original thread on PSRTutorial and I have some questions about your software.

1. Any chance it will work on Mac

2. My understanding is that even if my REX file has only 4 samples (let's say a basic fill) YEM will create 88 (one for every key). Is that correct?

3. Does your program actually delete the unused waveforms? (This would easily solve my problem.)

4. Is there any way to permanently edit a pack (custom), so that the extra waveforms are permanently deleted? Or does this have to be done again and again.

Thank you,
Chony

Hi Chony.

1. I'm in process of converting my software to .Net Core, which is Cross-platform, and I will use some other features of .Net language, other interface programming too. I really don't like the rendering of interface objects in YEM-CE2's platform, so I will make a transition to something else. That means it could be compiled for Mac, too, but also it will take a long time to programming, too...

2. Yes, indeed. I think it is right, and a bad thing in the same time! This happens every time you edit and SAVE an item in your pack.

3. Yes, it will do this job for you. I really don't use this feature frequently, because I don't update my content to frequently, but no one complains about real bugs. Ye, of course, in the beginning was some little bugs because of the vast settings that Yamaha uses for certain types of imported voices: T4 voices are the most "full of parameters" files and they are different from Tyros 5 or Genos parameters. But I think, for now, it is bugless.

4. No, it is not. Because, as I said on point 2. every time you will edit and save a voice/drum, it will recreate those empty waveforms, so you will have to re-use that small function in my program.

Cheers,
Vali

[overover]

... every time you will edit and save a voice/drum, it will recreate those empty waveforms, so you will have to re-use that small function in my program. ...

Hi Vali,

I haven't tried the following yet:

What happens if you first EXPORT a Pack, in which you have deleted the empty waveforms, as a Pack (PPF) and later IMPORT this Pack again?

Are the deleted, empty waveforms created again when exporting or maybe later on importing? (Or only if you EDIT this pack again later and SAVE again?)


Best regard,
Chris

[chony]

4. No, it is not. Because, as I said on point 2. every time you will edit and save a voice/drum, it will recreate those empty waveforms, so you will have to re-use that small function in my program.

Cheers,
Vali

Hi Vali,

Firstly again, Thank you!

I don't have any intention of editing my packs. They are perfect  . So does that mean I would only have to do it once?

Also, in aproximately how long do you expect your next version to be ready? And in how long would you expect the .Net/Mac version to be ready. (I'm trying to decide if I can wait or if I need to get a PC.) And is there any reason your program wouldn't work in Parallels https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Parallels/PPDPROSUB1Y/ for Mac (it is a PC host for Mac).

[valimaties]

Hi Vali,

I haven't tried the following yet:

What happens if you first EXPORT a Pack, in which you have deleted the empty waveforms, as a Pack (PPF) and later IMPORT this Pack again?

Are the deleted, empty waveforms created again when exporting or maybe later on importing? (Or only if you EDIT this pack again later and SAVE again?)


Best regard,
Chris

Hi Chris.

It's not about importing/exporting packs here. It's about editing (opening voice editor screen) and SAVING the edited voice. THAT process in YEM will automatically create those empty waveforms, which must be deleted each time with my software.

So, for example, if I have the voice which has 20 empty waveforms and I delete those empty waveforms with my software, if I open Voice Editor and do something there and SAVE that voice, it will automatically create again those 20 empty waveforms.

The problem is in YEM in SAVING process of a voice. I thing they have a patern which they want to follow, but is not correct, IMPOV.
Nothing to do with import of ppf!

Regards,
Vali

[valimaties]

I don't have any intention of editing my packs. They are perfect  . So does that mean I would only have to do it once?

If you don't edit those voices, yes you can do it only one time and it's enough.

So, to be more clearly, the Voice Editor Save button will create empty waveforms, EVERYTIME! If your voice had empty waveforms sometime, and you deleted them with my software, if you want to edit a voice with YEM and SAVE it, it will recreate those empty waveforms.

Also, in aproximately how long do you expect your next version to be ready? And in how long would you expect the .Net/Mac version to be ready. (I'm trying to decide if I can wait or if I need to get a PC.) And is there any reason your program wouldn't work in Parallels https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Parallels/PPDPROSUB1Y/ for Mac (it is a PC host for Mac).

I don't know to approximate the time, I have also other two projects started at my work. And I work on them in my spare time, too
As I know, Parallel will be a solution for you, which I heard it works very well

Regards,
Vali

[chony]

Thank you Vali.

Could you please clarify. If I edit a voice -
a) THAT voice alone will have empty waveforms again
b) every voice in that pack will get empty waveforms again
or c) every voice in YEM will get empty waveforms again

I'm hoping it's not (c)!!!

[Zaurafon]

Thank you Vali.

Could you please clarify. If I edit a voice -
a) THAT voice alone will have empty waveforms again
b) every voice in that pack will get empty waveforms again
or c) every voice in YEM will get empty waveforms again

I'm hoping it's not (c)!!!

a) THAT voice alone will have empty waveforms again

[overover]

Hi Chris.

It's not about importing/exporting packs here. It's about editing (opening voice editor screen) and SAVING the edited voice. THAT process in YEM will automatically create those empty waveforms, which must be deleted each time with my software.

So, for example, if I have the voice which has 20 empty waveforms and I delete those empty waveforms with my software, if I open Voice Editor and do something there and SAVE that voice, it will automatically create again those 20 empty waveforms.

The problem is in YEM in SAVING process of a voice. I thing they have a patern which they want to follow, but is not correct, IMPOV.
Nothing to do with import of ppf! ...

Hi Vali,

thank you very much for clarifying these points!


P.S.
I opened the YEM .exe file with 7-zip (just for fun). Then I open some of the internal files (PE_SECTIONs) in Editor and searched for the term "waveform". I attached a picture with some strange results.

I'm not a programmer. Possibly a real expert could make changes to this program relatively easily (and thus prevent the unnecessary creation of empty waveforms, for example).

But unfortunately, it is probably the case that this is very time-consuming and therefore nobody will do it ...


Best regards,
Chris

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[valimaties]

Yes Chris, you know this has already been discussed, and I  also had opened that file with 7zip
As we know from T4, which had an upgrade of RAM, Wave count and waveform count, it seems that is the highest length of waveforms in a installation for Genos, which, sincerely, I don't have idea why that limit exists! Probably, pj can explain, because he is the "tech" of this forum (IMO)

I only found a way to remove that and I hope is useful for those users which uses a lot of user files.

BTW, Yamaha implemented a lot of barriers to users. Tyros 4 was the last "full-voice-editing", even if style creator was awful (and it remains like that)!

From my point of view, that reply with "No YEM no life" is defiant!

Regards,
Vali

[overover]

Yes Chris, you know this has already been discussed, and I  also had opened that file with 7zip
As we know from T4, which had an upgrade of RAM, Wave count and waveform count, it seems that is the highest length of waveforms in a installation for Genos, which, sincerely, I don't have idea why that limit exists! Probably, pj can explain, because he is the "tech" of this forum (IMO)

I only found a way to remove that and I hope is useful for those users which uses a lot of user files.

BTW, Yamaha implemented a lot of barriers to users. Tyros 4 was the last "full-voice-editing", even if style creator was awful (and it remains like that)!

From my point of view, that reply with "No YEM no life" is defiant! ...

Hi Vali,

yes, I remember now that we had already discussed a similar topic here in the forum.

Thank you for your detailed reply!


Best regards,
Chris

[valimaties]

Hi Vali,

yes, I remember now that we had already discussed a similar topic here in the forum.

Thank you for your detailed reply!


Best regards,
Chris

PS for my last post:
I know you are a tech guy, too! I'm very pleased about your posts everywhere on this form!!! 

Cheer Chris,
Vali

[overover]

PS for my last post:
I know you are a tech guy, too! I'm very pleased about your posts everywhere on this form!!! 

Cheer Chris,
Vali

I'm also very pleased to hear that from you, Vali!

All the best,
Chris

[islam01]

I try unlock Genos ppf persian 2 pack. But yem-ce not unlocked the edit voice section. How can I fix this problem?