Genos successors wish LIST (GENOS2)

[Jeff Hollande]

After the 9000Pro everybody believed Yamaha should stop
the production of a 76 k high end arranger keyboard for ever.

The Tyros 1, 2, 3 and 4 were all 61 k versions.

Then the Tyros5 came in two versions  : 61 and 76 keys.

Nowadays we all seem to accept there will never be
another 61 k Genos version.

Time will tell but I am still hopeful though.
Wishful thinking, I guess ? 😀

Best wishes, JH

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
the more keys the better

[Gunnar Jonny]

............
Wishful thinking, I guess ? 😀

I think so, and it's also wise of Yamaha to keep it that way.
They probably trying to make a difference between the 'pro' and home market.

[jugge]

I wish Genos2 could be 61 keys, but don't think that will happen. It would then be much more convenient to take out on gigs!

+1

[Gunnar Jonny]

📝
Some time ago, I did mention in one or more threads here at the forum a wish for a 'new' feature in next update or model.
I also wrote a mail to Yamaha techies / support about it, and got a reply where they said it was impossible to do such change (or imrovement as I would call it).
Well, Roland and Korg has this feature, (also Ketron if I remember it correctly), and it has been a part of their OS and models as long as I can remember.

I'm not 'professional' trained, nor any good at play a new key on the fly or in a hurry. If I've learned to play a song in certain key, it's a kind of glued into my brain and fingers. It takes time to 'reorganise'. Sometimes there is a need to change key and all that sudden the transpose button can be helpful
But, in opposite to Korg and Roland, the display show the chord for the actual pressed keys, not the sound coming out of the speakers.
It's not the worst problen in the world, but it would be a lot more convient (at least for me) if the display show the sounding / outgoing chord if / when transpose button is activated. 🎹🎵

[J. Larry]

Happiness?  Genos owners get a new, much improved model with everything from the wish list.  Us SX 61-note players get a new model that includes, basically, the sound and features of the present Genos.

[Jeff Hollande]

At the end of 2017 the Genos (1) has been launched.
The Genos (1) is almost 4 years on the market now.
Time for an upgrade ?

The SX700 and SX900 serie came 2 years later ( 2019 ) and the SX600 has been added recently.

I wonder when new Yamaha and Korg high end arranger keyboards will be introduced.
At the end of this year, next year ( 2022 ) or later ?

Will the Genos successor be called Genos2 ?

Regards, JH

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
When is this new Genos coming??
It must be on the drawing board by now.
All the Best
John

[Ingar]

HI everybody!

"GENOS2 "  probably will be lunched 2 years from now so probably 2021.


Please write here any your wish  and idea,sugestions.


As we know Yamaha read this forum and They already inplement a lot of wishes and ideas in past.

BEST REGARDS and Thank you YAMAHA.

I wish more spacious pace for text up and down on screen. Too easy to miss as it is now.

[Jeff Hollande]

I do not expect a new Genos nor a new SX serie before 2024 ... IF Yamaha have still the intention to continue the production of NEW high end Arranger Keyboards.

Wished I am wrong though ... 

Take care, JH

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
I emailed Yamaha UK and asked then if there is a Genos 3 on the drawing board and all i got back was The Genos at the moment is the Flagship.
Same answer as a politician i'm afraid.
Even the Customer Service is treated like a mushroom.
Looks like nothing for a long while to come

All the Best
John

[MadrasGiaguari]

Genos is having a very, very happy marketing life.
Lack of delivery for missing raw materials (chip....), everyone looking for Genos around the world, competition not making "pressure" with new high end products.
Also as a consequence of it, Genos is being considered more and more no.1 arranger and became something like a benchmark.

In this situation I would be very surprised if Yamaha would stop this primacy by introducing in the market a new flagship.

I guess, of course, that they are working in designing a next generation arranger, but i would be a suicide to present it in a short time. I guess.....

Genos is an excellent instrument, still very strong on the market, and could be further strengthened with a new version of software (think about the many, many suggestions given by members on this Forum...... Even a small part of them would represent a robust OS update).

IMHO....

Ciao

Angelo

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
How long will a Genos last as computers seem to go bonk after about 6 to 7 years.
There is no spinning hard disk in the keyboard so it should last quite a few years
What do the electronic experts think of the life of a Genos.
Also would Yamaha repair a Genos indefinitately if things were to go upside down or not support it after a while like Microsoft do with windows systems.
All just a thought. I think the Genos is a great instrument and hard to beat.


All the best
john

[Jeff Hollande]

I fully agree the Genos is the best arranger keyboard on the market for the time being and probably for the next 2 years.

Price increased by 10% ?
Lead time : approx. 6 months  ?

Some dealers might have some stock yet ? I do not think so.

Question : Will Yamaha continue the production of new high end arranger keyboards AFTER the Genos ?
Wait and see.


JH

[EileenL]

Hi John,
  Most Yamaha keyboards seem to go on forever.

[mikf]

If it's only home use, with  decent care and some luck these keyboards last much more than 6 of 7 years. And in any case there will always be something even better which comes along to replace them. And for what they are, the cost is not high, so it's not unreasonable to upgrade to something new somewhere in the 5 - 8 year range. That would probably put the cost of staying pretty current only about $600/year. Not a lot to spend nowadays on a major hobby or pastime.
Mike

[MadrasGiaguari]

Also would Yamaha repair a Genos indefinitately...........

Dear John,

besides Genos I own a Clavinova CVP 309 Polished Ebony, from 2005 (16 years now...). In February 2021 one key lost the velocity feature and I called the Yamaha Service in Roma, where I live. In a few days the technician came to my home and replaced ALL the contacts for the keyboard, and the felters (these parts were at the Yamaha lab in Roma, no need to order). Clavinova is back to new!

This example gives an idea of the excellent support Yamaha provides for many years. Microsoft operates in a totally different area of merchandises, where a new model of computer is produced many times per year.

I wouldn't worry for this matter 

Ciao

Angelo

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi John,
  Most Yamaha keyboards seem to go on forever.

Hi Eileen

That is comforting to know
Anyway back soon with the  the music as all going faster now.
The mixing is getting better.
It was weird getting used to flat response when recording but using reference tracks has got me on the right track.
In Cubase i switch back and forward so i do not lose the hearing of  flat and not flat
Just recently i had a dizzy spell with a waxed up ear, but the Otex sorted that out . Put me back a couple of weeks
The sound from the Genos is great, so i have now learnt that not to much to change when finishing a mix.
I do find that a few sounds have unwanted artifacts in them and they are  easily eq'd out on the computer.
All in all it is a hard machine to beat. On the other hand VST is more precise and superior with a lot of sounds, which i am experimenting with now.Saxes so far are better on the Genos though. So swings a roundabouts
Still the Genos goes well alongside VST.

All the Best
John

[EileenL]

Hi John,
  Never used a VST in my life and never wanted to. Always bought an instrument because I just wanted to sit and play it and convey my thought and feelings of the moment. Played for lots of various occasions over the years where they wanted and were paying for Live Music. My keyboard travelled many miles and always looked as good as new when I sold them. Not once did they ever let me down.

[mikf]

There is quite a bit of variation in the musical interests on this forum. The growth of features on these TOTL arrangers to what I think of as music production has seen more posts in recent times relating to recording, associated software and sound manipulation.  As a musician I have dealt with poor sound quality a lot over the years, but it's now so good even on quite modest equipment, that I personally can't get too fired up about chasing what I hear are quite small, almost indiscernible differences in sound. But if high quality sound production is their interest it's certainly much more available and cost effective today than it was in the past.
Mike

[Toril S]

My oldest Yamaha is 31 years old. Still going strong. In future keyboards I want more contrast on the screen. I like to just sit and play. The Genos is probably overkill for my simple needs, but I love it!

[Amwilburn]

Bought my first CLP300 in 1985(?) when I moved to HK (so it's got the 220v UK plug, but luckily switchable voltage) and it still works.
Then my PSR60, followed by my Roland E20 (yup, still arranger) in '88. Bought my 2nd Clavinova in 2006.

Now, I haven't even plugged in my DX7 (1983 mk 1... was so bummed when they released the stereo version, but I'd already blown my budget on the CLP and PSR) in a decade (it was in storage) so I'll have to go check to see if that still works; but if it does, then everything still works!

Yeah, my 1st Yamahas are nearly 40 years old

Oh, and I actually had (well my dad did) had a Hammond B3 with twin rotary speakers (Not sure what model... they weren't "box shaped" like most Leslies).
Mark

[bandaclick]

First Yamaha will have to correct the many errors that Genos has......
- LCD dimmer
-files with long names not recognized/not read
-Copy files to ssd from usb we need to change the file type, this shouldn't happen
-the mfd10 pedalboard does not have the possibility of configuring it on all Tyros it worked on the Genos they did not include it
-both players should access any type of file as in other keyboards
- etc etc etc

It's very sad that we have a Genos and there are many things that don't work right I sent it to yamaha from the beginning 3 years ago and they never answered or fixed it.
I have a Korg PA4x and it's the one I use the most, much more functional, much more practical.
I am considering selling my Genos

[PierreSW]

First Yamaha will have to correct the many errors that Genos has......
- LCD dimmer
-files with long names not recognized/not read
-Copy files to ssd from usb we need to change the file type, this shouldn't happen
-the mfd10 pedalboard does not have the possibility of configuring it on all Tyros it worked on the Genos they did not include it
-both players should access any type of file as in other keyboards
- etc etc etc

It's very sad that we have a Genos and there are many things that don't work right I sent it to yamaha from the beginning 3 years ago and they never answered or fixed it.
I have a Korg PA4x and it's the one I use the most, much more functional, much more practical.
I am considering selling my Genos

Hey!
I completly agree.
Yamaha could well start copying everything from the Tyros 5 to start with,
but they have not done so, apparently.
Very sad that nothing happens to correct all errors
after such a long time has passed.

[valimaties]

I don't agree...
Yes, Genos has some missing things, but sorry to say for you bandaclick... Korg will NEVER sounds like Yamaha!!!
Yes, it does not have all the functions of Korg, but they will implement some of them, in time.
First of all, there are a lot of Yamaha keyboard players which only are "sit and play" keyboard players.. they open their keyboards and only play with the styles and voices they have in their keyboards (or they buy from Yamaha's music soft site). There are a lot of these users that they don't need some functions and don't care if Genos will have or not some professional functions. They will not use them because they don't know how and why those functions are needed in the keyboard ))

Now... to copy from Tyros 5?! What?

[Toril S]

Most of us are very happy and satisfied with our Genos. If you do not like it, sell it to someone that have the sense to appreciate it!

[EileenL]

I have to agree Toryl,
  I buy a keyboard to sit and play it and it has everything needed to do that. I don't want to manufacture music as I can buy a CD for this.

[Gunnar Jonny]

@ Toril

Who is 'most of us'? Most of the Genos users here at PSR, or worldwide?
To me, your statement sounds somewhat condescending. Users usually have different needs, so pointing out personal views and needs should be perfectly OK without being asked to sell and buy another.

@ Eileen.

Yamaha has used big words and launched Genos as a real WORKSTATION..
Quote:
"Welcome to the new world of Digital Workstations. Genos is the new benchmark in Digital Workstation sound, design and user experience. Whether you are in a recording studio or on stage, Genos will inspire and intensify your musical creation and performance."

https://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/musical_instruments/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/index.html

Looks like it's not aimed for only the 'sit down and play' users?

[mikf]

GJ - of course if you spend several thousand on a product it's disappointing to then find out it has some annoying shortcomings. But I think Toril's point saying 'most of us' is also correct because I bet 90% of Genos owners (and I do mean all not just this forum members) neither noticed or care much about the items on his list. That doesn't mean they are not important to him, but I doubt those items were the driving force that made him choose Genos in the first place. And of course everyone else might have their own quite different list of annoying shortcomings. Mine is that none of these high end end Yamaha keyboards have a final mix on the recording function. You have to use external software for that. But he, like most of us, probably weighed up the sound and overall functionality against alternatives. Even if he had known about these annoying shortcomings at the time, would they really have trumped his overall reasons for choosing Genos? Hmmm??
But of course it is his choice, so if it does spoil his enjoyment of Genos that much, then it's a free market, choose an alternative that meets more of his his objectives. But no product is ever all things to all men!
Mike

[Toril S]

First Yamaha will have to correct the many errors that Genos has......
- LCD dimmer
-files with long names not recognized/not read
-Copy files to ssd from usb we need to change the file type, this shouldn't happen
-the mfd10 pedalboard does not have the possibility of configuring it on all Tyros it worked on the Genos they did not include it
-both players should access any type of file as in other keyboards
- etc etc etc

It's very sad that we have a Genos and there are many things that don't work right I sent it to yamaha from the beginning 3 years ago and they never answered or fixed it.
I have a Korg PA4x and it's the one I use the most, much more functional, much more practical.
I am considering selling my Genos

Well, maybe I was a bit harsh, but I reacted to the last sentence here. The poster says that the Korg is much mor practical, and that he considers selling the Genos. This is a Yamaha forum. I am a bit tired of Genos bashers! No keyboard ever has got so much bashing. Here I go again...