Genos v1.4 speculation thread

[EileenL]

Well we shall soon know.

[Joe H]

This is interesting.  Yamaha is using the same marketing tactic with this new OS update as they did with the release of the Genos in the first place. IE; leak some info and get people to speculate about what's coming.  This must be a new generation marketing approach... and it's working!

   

Joe H

[chony]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks this going to be a great upgrade. In the programming world, when there's a major step up, new features, or anything beyond basic changes, the version number jumps. If Yamaha was releasing something special, it would go from 1.3 to 2.0. This is 1.3 to 1.4, so expect an upgrade along the lines of what we got from 1.0 to 1.1: Basically, bug fixes, OS improvements, ease of use improvements, GUI improvements, basic feature improvements.

[StuartR]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks this going to be a great upgrade. In the programming world, when there's a major step up, new features, or anything beyond basic changes, the version number jumps. If Yamaha was releasing something special, it would go from 1.3 to 2.0. This is 1.3 to 1.4, so expect an upgrade along the lines of what we got from 1.0 to 1.1: Basically, bug fixes, OS improvements, ease of use improvements, GUI improvements, basic feature improvements.

I'm not sure we ever said it would  be a "great" update. Yamaha has stated that it would be an "extensive update". Quibbling over their choice of version number increments is, IMHO, just that.

To quote from their announcement:  "This extensive update brings new performance possibilities for Live Controls, new assignable options, enhancements of the user interface and the ability to connect an external screen."

[Dromeus]

Well, whether "great" or "extensive", at the end of the day it's all subjective. Yamaha may call it "extensive", but the exact list of improvements remains to be seen. My experience of life is, that you should be sceptical towards announcements from marketing departments.

Again, when it comes to valueing the forthcomping update, it's all subjective. Of course we have to wait 'til June (at least) to have the facts straight. But, what is already known today is completely useless FOR ME. Of course, even at this stage your mileage may vary. This doesn't mean I do complain, after all the update will be free. Being a loyal Yamaha customer for 20 years I'd be very surprised if the June update will contain a (IMHO, subjective!) substantial improvement. E.g. let's say creating your own user arpeggios.

Bottom line, I don't expect anything from the update, so I won't be disappointed.

[pjd]

Bottom line, I don't expect anything from the update, so I won't be disappointed.

Thanks, Michael. What I need is an update to my playing skills and Yamaha isn't selling that! 

All the best -- pj

[Fred Smith]

Bottom line, I don't expect anything from the update, so I won't be disappointed.

Here's my speculation:  we'll see a post from you about how disappointed you were with the update.

Cheers,
Fred

[Dromeus]

What I need is an update to my playing skills and Yamaha isn't selling that! 

There's some advice from Don Airey, and it's free: "Practice, practice, practice!" 

And another one from Malcom Gladwell: "Hard work is only a prison sentence when you lack motivation."

HTH 

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

INFINITY!!!

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

..... My experience of life is, that you should be sceptical towards announcements from marketing departments.


THANKS DROMEUS.  I renounced my well paid board membership in a rather successful advertising agency some years ago for exactly the reason you state.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Bachus]

This is interesting.  Yamaha is using the same marketing tactic with this new OS update as they did with the release of the Genos in the first place. IE; leak some info and get people to speculate about what's coming.  This must be a new generation marketing approach... and it's working!

   

Joe H

With everyone being dissapointed when the speculations are far from the truth?

[mikf]

There's some advice from Don Airey, and it's free: "Practice, practice, practice!" 

And another one from Malcom Gladwell: "Hard work is only a prison sentence when you lack motivation."

HTH 

Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. This is why I no longer practice golf - I would only be perfecting my faults

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Don Airy is definitely 100% right
In my view there is not much wrong with the Genos. Always a workaround.
I find practicing a lot gets you nowhere if you keep battling  constantly.
Walk away for a day and you will be surprised what sinks in when you come back.
For my experience there is a little gremlin that drip feeds me a little every week and only time gets me further along the road.
That gemlin will not let you run .You have to do a lots of walking!!

[Bachus]

Practice does not make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. This is why I no longer practice golf - I would only be perfecting my faults

Also smart practice gives faster results, then just replaying the same parts time after time..

There is quite some good youtube tutorials on the art of practicing piano..

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

Hello Kaarlo,
....There are over 400 icons to choose from but Genos only shows 160 of them.
The thing is that you cannot select the other icons on the Genos or Tyros while saving Styles, Registrations and so on.

You need a PC to replace the reference at  the end of a file name. For instance the file name Johnny Guitar.S085.RGT; the S085 stands for a Guitar and if you want to change it to an icon showing 'Keys' you would change the reference to S792.

See the attached list.

Stijn

Thanks for your help: Strange that indeed   ....."you cannot select the other icons on the Genos  ......while saving Styles, Registrations and so on"  ....   The problem is   I do have a desk top PC,   but it is in the office and that is  a short  walk over the court yard.  For most things like clarinets and saxes the provided icons are clear enough, but for instance for muted trumpet I have not found a trumpet icon which you immediately recognize and for registration banks I also miss what was earlier available like the colorful man with sombrero.

So  it is what has been said so often here, we kind of expect and take for granted that the new top model incorporates everything we got used to and liked,  PLUS  things  we had never even thought about. The number of downloads of your attachement shows people are interested in having catchy icons.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[Snicker740]

Through Korg firmware updates, it has expanded Expansion Voices memory for Pa4x.
- First upgrade to 800MB (or 1.5Gb when compressed).
- And when upgrading to OS 3.0, it is 1.5Gb (or 3Gb when compressed).
Will Yamaha's 1.4 upgrade improve Expansion Voices memory for Genos?

[andyg]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks this going to be a great upgrade. In the programming world, when there's a major step up, new features, or anything beyond basic changes, the version number jumps. If Yamaha was releasing something special, it would go from 1.3 to 2.0. This is 1.3 to 1.4, so expect an upgrade along the lines of what we got from 1.0 to 1.1: Basically, bug fixes, OS improvements, ease of use improvements, GUI improvements, basic feature improvements.

When I was involved with programming, things went like this:

New O/S or version of the programme - that got an integer, so 1.0 to 2.0
Updates to the O/S or programme - they got a decimal point increase, so 2.0 to 2.1
Minor amendments to updates etc - they got a 1/100th increase, so 2.1 to 2.1.1

I wasn't alone. Major software houses did, and still do the same. I'm working with Sibelius right now. That went from 7.0 to 7.1 and then bug fixes etc took it to 7.1.3.

So I think 1.4 is right for the next update! Look forward to seeing it, as it fixes many of the niggles we had and adds some more goodies. Alas, as always, there are going to be voices crying that 'this is vital, it should have been done' etc. But it's the same old development story. Manufacturers put on what the vast majority of users want and need, not what the minority of users (and even what some of the designers - me included at times!) want and need. You can never have everything.

[soryt]

Don't expect too much, you can't be disappointed either 

[DerekA]

When I was involved with programming, things went like this:

New O/S or version of the programme - that got an integer, so 1.0 to 2.0
Updates to the O/S or programme - they got a decimal point increase, so 2.0 to 2.1
Minor amendments to updates etc - they got a 1/100th increase, so 2.1 to 2.1.1

I wasn't alone. Major software houses did, and still do the same. I'm working with Sibelius right now. That went from 7.0 to 7.1 and then bug fixes etc took it to 7.1.3.

This is known as semantic versioning : https://semver.org/

[Bachus]

Through Korg firmware updates, it has expanded Expansion Voices memory for Pa4x.
- First upgrade to 800MB (or 1.5Gb when compressed).
- And when upgrading to OS 3.0, it is 1.5Gb (or 3Gb when compressed).
Will Yamaha's 1.4 upgrade improve Expansion Voices memory for Genos?

Not to be expected...

Korg could do this because they have a technollogy samplestreaming, from Kronos/Oasys..
So only the first part of a sample is in memmory, therest is loaded when needed from the hard disk.
The technollogy was allready in pa4x, but just for user samples.
What they did was add this technollogy to user sample memmory..

Yamaha does not have such a technollogy available (yet)
Altough its nothing special..
Many major pc samplers use this technollogy

[Bachus]

Don't expect too much, you can't be disappointed either 

Thats what i said 🤪
Don't expect anything, and you will be possitively surprised
Expect to much or a specific thing, and you will get dissapointed.

No clue what to expect, there are so many new things and improvements they could add
So in the end all the guessing gets us nowhere..


I posted my long list with possible improvements the week after the introduction
That list still holds true, if it weren't for someone deleting it...

[islam01]

Will there be development for legato and portamento features in update 1.4?

[soryt]

Nobody knows 

[Dromeus]

... the trouble I've seen 

(sorry, could not resist)

[Bachus]

Noboddy knows my sorrows 🎼

[Bachus]

Its almost June..

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

More like July!!
Cruel devils that Yamaha marketing team!!

Time for better Cubase integration!! The best upgrade that they could make. Unlikely!!

[ckobu]

Genos version 1.4 Launching June 28

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,50216.msg392404.html#msg392404

[Seagull29]

Hi,
As usual, Yamaha announces a "revolutionary" update and ..... gives birth to a mouse, as they say in France! Of course, it's mocking users!
Regards
Seagull29

[Dromeus]

As I said months before (and some didn't like it): don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed. If you find somethin' in that update that is useful to you, it's a bonus. Then smile...