Is this normal?

[Murat]

The only person (or thing) who doesn't mind my playing is my cat Nini, seriously, she come close when I start playing and looking at her face expression, she seems to enjoy my playing, really.

[elad770]

Ok, I've found the cause and I have Good News and Bad News

I will be posting another video tonight!

Thank you all for your feedback. You are all amazing!

[Toril S]

I had a buzz on my Tyros. Turned out to be the thumb drive in the front socket that vibrated. Solved it my using an extension cable. Good that you solved it!

[Lee Batchelor]

Ok, I've found the cause and I have Good News and Bad News. I will be posting another video tonight! Thank you all for your feedback. You are all amazing!

I can't wait. Don't keep us in suspenders too long .

[elad770]

Here are my final conclusion and finding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tXMx2BqjVA

Sorry for the mess, Basement is undergoing some construction

For those who don't want to watch the entire 14min:

The speaker produces vibration at a specific frequency. How specific? 1 key Specific!

It's a mid-range frequency that somehow takes some extra effort from those speakers. Though the distortion is NOT from the speaker, However the frequency produced is powerful enough to vibrate the cheap plastic and other components

[valimaties]

Hi elad.

It's good to see you found the "glitch" which provokes plastic distortion.

But, sincerely, I'm not agree with sound volume level, even it's high price, even it's preset voices. I payed 1000 euros on RCF ART732A (one piece) and I tell you, on a high volume (maximum set) and some frequencies its giving me a noise on front metal protection. But I cannot use them as this high volume because it causes me 🤢🤮 , believe me! I cannot sing in this conditions and, really, I sing (with my band) on weddings with 200-500 persons, which means largest rooms.
Yes, indeed, there is some anger because of price you payed for, but really, it's plastic, and cheap one. As I said, if you want a loud sound, you have to buy HS7 or HS8 or other studio monitors which indeed are made of high quality plastic. I don't like Genos sound system at all, I did not bought them because I knew on some level there are not good for what I want. And definitely, I bought HS7.
MO. 

Regards,
Vali

[elad770]

 OMG !

You won't believe what i just found out.

Take a look:

https://youtu.be/kfcbmQ10U-0

Guys, try this on your own keyboard. Even if you don't have any issues, it's good to familiarize yourself with this phenomena
Place your hand on the left side of the keyboard and feel the vibration on the plastic, Then undo the speaker latch and see how this effect the keyboard's frame

[Gunnar Jonny]

"Plastic Fantastic Made In China" was my first impression when unbox and handle this machine. Chassis feels a bit cheap.
Anyway, what worries me most, is if it will bow down at the middle after some time permanent placed at the keyboard stand.
Time will show...... 

[Toril S]

A sagging Genos!! I got some very disturbing pictures in my mind! Who is game for a bend test?😀

[gerarde]

This is harmonic resonance.
It is a resonating frequency.
An example, when I am in an empty shower stall, and I sing a range of notes, I eventually sing a note that is noticeably louder.
Or you can be in a gym and hear the same thing
It would have been good if Yamaha had checked this out, and could have fixed it by adding a little damper material inside the chassis to prevent this from happening.

Gerard

[elad770]

This is harmonic resonance.
It is a resonating frequency.
An example, when I am in an empty shower stall, and I sing a range of notes, I eventually sing a note that is noticeably louder.
Or you can be in a gym and hear the same thing
It would have been good if Yamaha had checked this out, and could have fixed it by adding a little damper material inside the chassis to prevent this from happening.

Gerard

.

That's basically my point.
When you buy a premium product you expect attention to details.
and i agree with Gunnar and can only quote the bible:

"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth, All the rest is made in china"    LOL 

[panos]

Elad, look at it this way.
From now on when your ears will hear the Ab note they will recognize it immediately
You have Yamaha 's Education Suite on your keyboard.
Lucky you! 

[Gunnar Jonny]

A sagging Genos!! I got some very disturbing pictures in my mind! Who is game for a bend test?😀

Well, never as bad that it's not good for anything. It may result in real 'waterfall' keys......

[EB5AGV]

*** !

You won't believe what i just found out.

Take a look:

https://youtu.be/kfcbmQ10U-0

Guys, try this on your own keyboard. Even if you don't have any issues, it's good to familiarize yourself with this phenomena
Place your hand on the left side of the keyboard and feel the vibration on the plastic, Then undo the speaker latch and see how this effect the keyboard's frame

We can bash Yamaha for missing a self-resonance on their flagship arranger... But perhaps the test conditions are not the same they used when testing for those (and I guess they did!)

But, what are you using as a support for your Genos?

I would do a fast test: put your Genos on a table so it has all its supporting/dampening rubber pads touching it. Then recheck the problem. If it is still there, I guess something is wrong with your unit construction. If not... well, you can try to modify the way you support your Genos.

Just an idea! 

Jose

[EileenL]

All Keyboards will resonate at certain frequencies when volume is up, even my 970 will do this from time to time if I am pushing the onboard speakers volume wise. To say it will then bend in the middle is taking it a bit to far.

[Joe H]

People need to stop wining and complaining about Yamaha and just go buy a Korg or Roland or Casio.



Joe H

[Toril S]

Never!! Yamaha forever!!❤️

[Bachus]

People need to stop wining and complaining about Yamaha and just go buy a Korg or Roland or Casio.



Joe H

I agree with you, there is a difference between wining and complaining, and discussing shortcommings and wishes.

People should not say, Yamaha should have feature X from brand Y... but explain why feature X would be great for Genos..


For me, Yamaha could create the perfect instrument by puting everything the Genos does, and everything the modx does in a single keyboard... problem is, they didn't and it will probably not happen for a decade... so i did what Yamaha expects a loyal customer to do. I bought both.

Some time ago, i bought a modx, and playing it more and more made me realise all the things Yamaha does great.. making easy accesible keyboards with an intuitive interface that mostly sound more natural and authentic then the competition..

And so i ended up with trading in the pa4x for a Genos, the seccond i got a good deal to do so... and now i am exchnaging the modx6 for a modx8..  since i also sold the Kronos, a motif xs rack and my kurzweil pc3x, i ended up with enough money in my pocket to upgrade the Modx with a Montage 2, if such an instrument ever is released..


Point is, people need to find solutions with whats available... sure Yamaha needs to repair bugs and listen to the wishes of the owners.. and i am a strong believer that they will certainly do so for Genos...but you can't demand things from Yamaha in the fist place, as they weren't part of the product you bought...but what Yamaha needs to do is repair bugs, even if they are small and only affect a small group of owners.. 

I also think that The current patch is a bit overdue, but it should be here shortly, expecting a small corrective patch this month... or a bigger content patch just before musikmesse, to give sales a new push later this year...

I have come to the conclusion, that Yamaha is less buggy then the competition.. pa4x is still haunted by bugs, there even are complaints on the korg forums telling korg to first repair their current OS before releasing new features..  and ketron really is another sad story, after 2 years features promissed at the sd9's release are still not available (sampler).. and the 8 year audya is still haunted with bugs... people should realise that the grass is not allways greener on the other side,...  there is no such thing as perfect and bugfree in todays high end electronics/software/keyboards.

[Joe H]

... Yamaha could create the perfect instrument by puting everything the Genos does, and everything the modx does in a single keyboard... problem is, they didn't and it will probably not happen for a decade... so i did what Yamaha expects a loyal customer to do. I bought both...

Point is, people need to find solutions with whats available...

As I have posted several times on the forum, I've done exactly what you have done... I bought a Motif Rack XS and found a way to integrate the 2 instruments to work as a single instrument.  Now I have the best of both worlds... a synth/arranger combo that satisfies my needs.

I also have 3 plug-in cards in my MU128 sound module that give 3 different synth engines.  Analog, 6 Operator FM and Virtual Acoustic (horns and other wind instruments played using a breath controller while playing the keyboard). All these sounds are patched through the AUX audio input of the S970 so the sounds can be recorded to the on-board USB audio recorder and blended with the S970 sounds.

Joe H

[beykock]

Is there a MODX module ( or comparable module )
available ?🐸

Plse advise. Thanks !
Babette

[Bachus]

Is there a MODX module ( or comparable module )
available ?🐸

Plse advise. Thanks !
Babette

No, there is no modules from Yamaha at all anymore..

The thing that comes closest is the Roland Integra..
The module that adds most to Genos might however be the GSI Gemini, not in quantity but in Quallity

If you want advanced Yamaha sound modules, look at a used Motif XS rack..
just sold mine, its still a great source for synth sounds..

[Joe H]

... If you want advanced Yamaha sound modules, look at a used Motif XS rack..
just sold mine, its still a great source for synth sounds..

It also has great editing capabilities with a a stand-alone Motif Rack XS Editor. You can save you custom Voices and Multis (Performances) to user banks.  Furthermore, I created "dummy" User Voice and User Multis Voice lists in YEM to call up my favorites from the S970 as dummy packs... which take up no expansion memory at all.

Joe H

[beykock]

Thank you both for your replies.👌

Babette

[Kaarlo von Freymann]

but you can't demand things from Yamaha  that weren't part of the product you bought...but what Yamaha needs to do is repair bugs, even if they are small and only affect a small group of owners.. 

EXACTLY.... and there are quite a few of them.  They have been dealt with here for more than a year.

Cheers

Kaarlo

[valimaties]

Edited:          
Sorry, I have read an old post from first page

Cheers.