Next update to Genos

[Fred Smith]

when is the update for genos with additional functions? In my genos I miss: more memory for expansion pack and creator song, full edition of drums in midi-song, such edition is in korgu pa4x, yamaha, why is there no such edition? can we count on more memory for expansion pack as well as edits of the drums?

When? You need to ask Yamaha.
What will be included? You need to ask Yamaha.

Your best plan: Assume none of your requested improvements will ever be made available.

Cheers,
Fred

[Bachus]

Hello,

when is the update for genos with additional functions? In my genos I miss: more memory for expansion pack and creator song, full edition of drums in midi-song, such edition is in korgu pa4x, yamaha, why is there no such edition? can we count on more memory for expansion pack as well as edits of the drums?

They can add only functions in software
Adding more memmory for expansions would be a hardware change..

More onboard edditing is allways a good thing.

[EB5AGV]

There is a preliminary date already given, with limit on Musikmesse 2019

Let's see what they offer!

Jose

[Jean-Pierre 33]

Hello everyone,

According to a Yamaha distributor, a major update of Genos would be announced for February 2019.

Best regards

Jean-Pierre 33

[Seagull29]

Hi,
If it is the same ilk that the so-called revolution was to be the Genos, we can doubt the importance of updating! And it is not a basic distributor who is in the secret of the gods!

Regards
Seagull29

EDIT: Here is what Yamaha said about T5:
" The Power of Reality

Superb sound and powerful functionality provide performance you can believe in.

In Tyros5 Yamaha has created the ultimate performance keyboard, with outstanding sounds, enhanced DSP effects, and accompaniment Styles so real it's like being backed by the world's finest musicians. The Tyros5 brings a level of authenticity like no instrument before it. "

Just a question: Where is reality in Genos ?

As we say in France: "Bla ! Bla ! Bla ! "

[EileenL]

The quality of the sound, styles and operation of Genos is greatly improved from the tyros 5.

Take note I am not saying that Tyros 5 is not a very good keyboard because it is.

[Fred Smith]

Hi,
If it is the same ilk that the so-called revolution was to be the Genos, we can doubt the importance of updating! And it is not a basic distributor who is in the secret of the gods!

Regards
Seagull29

EDIT: Here is what Yamaha said about T5:
" The Power of Reality

Superb sound and powerful functionality provide performance you can believe in.

In Tyros5 Yamaha has created the ultimate performance keyboard, with outstanding sounds, enhanced DSP effects, and accompaniment Styles so real it's like being backed by the world's finest musicians. The Tyros5 brings a level of authenticity like no instrument before it. "

Just a question: Where is reality in Genos ?

As we say in France: "Bla ! Bla ! Bla ! "

What's your point?

In its day, the T5 was Yamaha's best keyboard, but it has been superseded by the Genos, just as the T5 superseded the T4.

I don't see Yamaha doing anything differently from what they did before.

Cheers,
Fred

[mikf]

Hi,
In my opinion, the Genos does not sell as expected .......

Based on what?? Yamaha keeps this kind of information pretty tight, but anything I have seen indicated it sold very well.

[Jean-Pierre 33]

Hello,

The content of the supposed update is not clearly known, but if the dealer says true there may be a function "chord sequence" and more.
To be continued...

Best regards

Jean-Pierre 33

[Jean-Pierre 33]

Hello,

The content of the supposed update is not clearly known, but if the dealer says true there may be a function "chord sequence" and more.
To be continued...

Best regards

Jean-Pierre 33

[valimaties]

I agree with Fred.
It's something normal that every keyboard manufacturer to tell about its last model of keyboard that is the best, because he put in it new hardware, new software (DSPs, VH, voices, styles, etc).
Technology itself increase year by year, its normal that every manufacturer to use hardware newer than previews release.
We all know what happens from Tyros to Tyros2, from Tyros 2 to Tyros3, T3 to T4 and so on...
Genos has its new features, new look, new hardware, new SOUND. Its normal that Genos is over Tyros 5, by all features they released in this model.

In my opinion, Genos is the best from Yamaha's arrangers.
(Genos 2 will be, of course, better than Genos  )

Regards,
Vali

[Sokratis1974]

Hello,

The content of the supposed update is not clearly known, but if the dealer says true there may be a function "chord sequence" and more.
To be continued...

Best regards

Jean-Pierre 33

I hope "Audio Chord Sequence"... .....

[EileenL]

Why would we need that. You can sequence in midi and then play into the audio recorder now.

[Seagull29]

Why would we need that. You can sequence in midi and then play into the audio recorder now.

Hi,
because you can make it with real time and do not have to prepare it before ! The Pa4X can do it and it's really handy for the inspiration of the moment. Just a question of reactivity and spontaneity!

Regards
Seagull29

[Sokratis1974]

Why would we need that. You can sequence in midi and then play into the audio recorder now.

Dear EileenL
first of all I need to make it clear that we are talking about guesses not facts,you might not have realised what I meant.
If something like what I said were to become reality which I cannot predict,we are talking available audio tracks in styles/audio styles which means that we can have real audio tracks with audio guitars and all that can think of inside of the style following the chord changes.
I repeat it's just a thought I had.
However these Yamaha campaign videos before the release of Genos get my my imagination running.
1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSJhKv1ZGIk
2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHdbmEGyyNg
3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWLkgGZpJWE
And more....

[valimaties]

Hi,
because you can make it with real time and do not have to prepare it before ! The Pa4X can do it and it's really handy for the inspiration of the moment. Just a question of reactivity and spontaneity!

Regards
Seagull29

Yes, indeed. Korg PA4X (and PA3X, also) has a real-time chord sequence. How can you use this feature?! Simple: Imagine you have to play a song repeatedly, for some reasons. It is easily to press record button (Korg has two buttons combination) and all you sing from that moment, all your chord progression is recorded until you press play button. When you press play button, the recording process will stop and automatically will start playing your chord progression. It is easy for you to make some things more, as long as you don't care at that time too much about chord progression... All those things are happening in real-time.
There are a lot of things that happening in realtime on Korg: Style settings can be stored/saved in the same time you sing, also voice settings, performances (our registrations) etc. There are a lot of parameters that Korg saves them in realtime, no mather what you do in that time.

I think Korg uses some of snapshots of the files used (voice parameters, style, performance parameters, etc). As when you modify the parameters, you modify to the snapshot which you are able to save to original file, because original file is not in use. As a programmer, this is the way I should make it!
Or, there might be another way, of saving all modified parameters to a temporary path, and when you change the style, or voices, or anything else which is right now in use, those files could be replaced by the modified ones by a background process. This is another approach, but the first I think is more reliable!

Regards,
Vali

[Bachus]

Yes, indeed. Korg PA4X (and PA3X, also) has a real-time chord sequence. How can you use this feature?! Simple: Imagine you have to play a song repeatedly, for some reasons. It is easily to press record button (Korg has two buttons combination) and all you sing from that moment, all your chord progression is recorded until you press play button. When you press play button, the recording process will stop and automatically will start playing your chord progression. It is easy for you to make some things more, as long as you don't care at that time too much about chord progression... All those things are happening in real-time.
There are a lot of things that happening in realtime on Korg: Style settings can be stored/saved in the same time you sing, also voice settings, performances (our registrations) etc. There are a lot of parameters that Korg saves them in realtime, no mather what you do in that time.

I think Korg uses some of snapshots of the files used (voice parameters, style, performance parameters, etc). As when you modify the parameters, you modify to the snapshot which you are able to save to original file, because original file is not in use. As a programmer, this is the way I should make it!
Or, there might be another way, of saving all modified parameters to a temporary path, and when you change the style, or voices, or anything else which is right now in use, those files could be replaced by the modified ones by a background process. This is another approach, but the first I think is more reliable!

Regards,
Vali

There are a lot of things Korg does better...

But here we are at a Genos Forum, indicating we have at least an interest in the Genos.
And thats because we tend to forget that Genos also does a huge amount of things very good, and many of them better then on a pa4x..

I have written a long list of things that could or actually should have been part of the Genos in the first place espescially since the Genos is marketed as a workstation. But i don't think the European team has any intention of adding new major features. They will probably save them vor Genos2 in about 4 years or even Genos 3 in 10 years.

If you want to use a chord sequence inside the Genos thats possible, just record a single track, set markers in the midi file and loop it, while using it as input for the chords detection of the arranger.. less traightforward then on the pa4x, but it works just as well.. i dont think many people record these in real time, and prefer before using

[valimaties]

Bachus, I wrote about some things Korg does them in REAL TIME. I know I can do this at home, to PC, etc, but I speak about some things that should be done in real time, without recording home, without stopping playback of a style, without stopping midi playback, etc... There could be settings that you could reach in real time, that make sound amazing (DSPs, for example). You cannot save the registration, because when you change the bank (if you want to load a record from playlist, or simply want to change the registration bank) the keyboard ask you if you really want to save the registration bank (which, although, is a good job) but in my opinion, saving in realtime, without stopping playback process of style, is the most beautiful thing that might happening with our workstation.

But, as you said, European guys from Yamaha Team, I also thing they will reserve these "next features" for the next release of Genos, as New features of a new keyboard. Which is not a good thing for us.

I know these are discussions which start polemics , so I will stop here.
I know what I want to view on Genos next firmware update, IF it will be one. In the same time, I know that will be 1% of reality, because Yamaha is very "greedy" in new "really and helpful" features

Best regards,
Vali

[keynote]

I sent an email to Yamaha with the audio example below of the glitch I was experiencing with a Genos preset Country style. Yamaha wrote back after I emailed them again asking why they hadn't responded to my original email. Yamaha support said they didn't receive the attachment audio example which I did in fact attach to the email I sent them. So I went ahead and sent the attachment again this time as an .mp3 file. I still haven't heard back from Yamaha so here is my theory as to why Yamaha is ignoring the problem. >>> NO MORE OS UPDATES FOR GENOS >>> PERIOD! Yamaha Japan perhaps has instructed tech support personnel that Genos support has officially ended and whatever bugs or glitches remain, will unfortunately remain indefinitely?? I realize that Genos bugs and glitches have been mostly solved but I have proof that at least one still remains.

Yamaha got the audio example I attached to the email I sent to them no doubt. I sent it twice. Once as a .wav file and the second time as an .mp3 file. So why no follow up from Yamaha? I realize this is the holiday season and they are likely very busy preparing for winter NAMM, etc. But it's been close to three weeks and not a peep. Perhaps I am being too cynical but I can't think of any good reason why Yamaha is shining me on other than the glitch I am experiencing will never be looked at or solved? I've had my Genos for over a year now so it's out of warranty by the manufacturer and perhaps that's the reason they no longer respond to my emails? That doesn't inspire very much confidence in Yamaha as a company if indeed that is the reason they don't respond i.e. because the warranty has expired on my Genos.

Okay, so I have officially resigned myself that there will be no more OS updates for the Genos. Now if Yamaha comes out with a new OS update I will be just as thrilled as everyone else but as of now I am accepting the overwhelming probability there won't be any more updates. Be that as it may I still enjoy my Genos for what it is and we'll just have to wait for Genos 2 to see what it has to offer... in about 3 or 4 years.

PS: I attached the audio example below of the glitch I experience with one of the preset Country styles. I posted it previously but I thought I would post it again in case some of you haven't heard it.

Mike

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[Bachus]

I sent an email to Yamaha with the audio example below of the glitch I was experiencing with a Genos preset Country style. Yamaha wrote back after I emailed them again asking why they hadn't responded to my original email. Yamaha support said they didn't receive the attachment audio example which I did in fact attach to the email I sent them. So I went ahead and sent the attachment again this time as an .mp3 file. I still haven't heard back from Yamaha so here is my theory as to why Yamaha is ignoring the problem. >>> NO MORE OS UPDATES FOR GENOS >>> PERIOD! Yamaha Japan perhaps has instructed tech support personnel that Genos support has officially ended and whatever bugs or glitches remain, will unfortunately remain indefinitely?? I realize that Genos bugs and glitches have been mostly solved but I have proof that at least one still remains.

Yamaha got the audio example I attached to the email I sent to them no doubt. I sent it twice. Once as a .wav file and the second time as an .mp3 file. So why no follow up from Yamaha? I realize this is the holiday season and they are likely very busy preparing for winter NAMM, etc. But it's been close to three weeks and not a peep. Perhaps I am being too cynical but I can't think of any good reason why Yamaha is shining me on other than the glitch I am experiencing will never be looked at or solved? I've had my Genos for over a year now so it's out of warranty by the manufacturer and perhaps that's the reason they no longer respond to my emails? That doesn't inspire very much confidence in Yamaha as a company if indeed that is the reason they don't respond i.e. because the warranty has expired on my Genos.

Okay, so I have officially resigned myself that there will be no more OS updates for the Genos. Now if Yamaha comes out with a new OS update I will be just as thrilled as everyone else but as of now I am accepting the overwhelming probability there won't be any more updates. Be that as it may I still enjoy my Genos for what it is and we'll just have to wait for Genos 2 to see what it has to offer... in about 3 or 4 years.

PS: I attached the audio example below of the glitch I experience with one of the preset Country styles. I posted it previously but I thought I would post it again in case some of you haven't heard it.

Mike

I think you might be jumping to the wrong conclusions..

[Lee Batchelor]

Mike a heard that odd sound at 45 seconds. You should be able to isolate it in the Mixer. Please do so and tell us what instrument is creating that odd flute sound. Meanwhile, I'll play that style on my Genos with the exact chord progression and see if it happens on mine. If not, it isn't likely an OS issue. Later...

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi
I would like to see which is a must .Yamaha to get the saving of mixer settings expanded.

You cannot save mixer settings if you have ran out of slider moves, so more complex songs are harder to get around as you have to do things manually.
Well Lee ,I am still mixing and going over it a 1000 times and  getting there little by little each day.
Even with Yamaha sounds , you have to eq them separately to stop bass clashing with drums ,especially the modern stuff where there are bass kicks.
I have been referencing Jarre's sounds and getting pretty close. I like Hornet's  Auto gain staging plugin which you send to all group channels. Makes a great start and saves loads of time.
It is just a matter of getting all those eq's right and slight compression, then the sky is on the limiter!!
The pray it sounds good on all speaker systems.
Oh No!! I have got to learn mastering next!!!


All the best
John

[Lee Batchelor]

John, one idea is to post what you have so far. By doing so, a lot of people could give you constructive feedback on how your recordings sound on literally dozens of systems. All you need to do is look for common denominators that people think don't work and those that do work. Post the wave forms you have so far.

A good friend of mine is a retired speaker designer. He has won awards for his creations. He uses a computer for modeling his speaker designs, but sometimes the designs that look perfect on the computer prediction model, sound like crap in the real world! The computer algorithm has yet to be written that can replace the human ear. In other words, the human ear is the REAL test. I think its valuable to use the computer for the raw editing, and then use the human ear for the final copy .

Are we off topic here?

[valimaties]

...
Are we off topic here?

I've start reading the last topics and I had the feeling I am on another thread. And I looked again to the title, and I am on the right thread, only posts goes to other discussion 

Regards,
Vali

[Bachus]

I've start reading the last topics and I had the feeling I am on another thread. And I looked again to the title, and I am on the right thread, only posts goes to other discussion 

Regards,
Vali

Then back on track....

When will the next upgrade be?
Will it contain new content/functionallity or just bug fixes?

I think that rounds up the realistic questions.

On a deeper level, what functionallity is desperately missing to make Genos your perfect arranger.
Assuming, you allready think the Genos is allready todays best option.

[EileenL]

Usually Yamaha will correct any function that is not working correctly or had something left of. For instance when grooving a style there is no select All there and this may possibly mean adding a new page.

[PierreSW]

Usually Yamaha will correct any function that is not working correctly or had something left of. For instance when grooving a style there is no select All there and this may possibly mean adding a new page.

Same goes for Boost/Cut, All is missing in that part too, and many other things that were found in tyros 5.
The midi part: that you have to load the file every single time when editing, that's crazy. is it user-friendly?
No way according to me. reprogram and do it right.

Merry Christmas everyone.

// Pierre

[Bouncingogre]

Everything is fine ? I can't agree...   
There's a lot of discussion on this forum about bugs on the Genos...
See my post : https://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,47387.msg372061.html#msg372061

If you are happy with this on a +4000€ keyboard, that's fine, we are all using it in a different way, but the fact that everything is fine for you doesn't mean that it is fine for everyone. The fact that several people are not completely satisfied with their Genos is understandable, and not simply a 'hill vs mountain' problem...

A new Genos firmware is definitely needed to correct those bugs. Waiting for a Genos II is not an option, Yamaha's policy is really strange... As a customer I really wonder what are they thinking  

Benoit

They aren't thinking anything. It's become the Yamaha Achilles Heel.
Bring out an instrument at a high price with as much hype as possible, and then dump all support for it almost overnight.
It's overpriced and overhyped for use as an arranger. It's not an arranger, just a fancy keyboard. My Tyros 1 knocks the spots off it.

[EileenL]

Well after having my Genos for over a year I would certainly never want to go back to my Tyros 1. Things have moved on a lot since those days.

[valimaties]

Well after having my Genos for over a year I would certainly never want to go back to my Tyros 1. Things have moved on a lot since those days.

Same in my case 

The comparison which was unintentional made between Genos and Tyros 1 made me laugh... You cannot do that comparison ever. Tyros 1 sound great for its level, but even newer PSR S keyboards are over the T1
Now, I expect Yamaha will not use feedback for Genos from users to create a stronger Genos 2... This will be a selfish approach, and I expect they will resolve those missing features we spoke a lot of times here, I hope they will solve touch controls issue, registration issues about DSPs, and to make that StepEdit page to be "touchable", not using arrows buttons This is a big LOL screen (for me as a programmer)...

Regards,
Vali