Yamaha Expansion Manager

[Normanfernandez]

I've been in and out of YEM.
is there any Complete Tutorial
On Voice Creator.

Have any of you'll created good Voices?

Thanks!

[XeeniX]

Norman,

It is one of the things I definitely do not like about Yamaha.... Everything seems possible, but you have to be an expert to start with in order to get any nice results. Nowhere a really decent manual that helps you to understand the basics and and learn beyond those basics. Or at least for me that is That is not only the case for YEM voice creator but goes for all more complicated stuff. Style creation is yet another example if you ask me. It is all possible but so few are capable of grabbing the concept enough to create decent ones (my apologies to those few who are able to create decent styles).

regards,
Peter

[alanclare]

It is one of the things I definitely do not like about Yamaha.... Everything seems possible, but you have to be an expert to start with in order to get any nice results. Nowhere a really decent manual that helps you to understand the basics and and learn beyond those basics.

regards,
Peter

Peter

While I sympathise sompletely with what you are saying, do you not think that one "decent manual" covering your objectives would need to be a weighty volume? I can envisage a series of volumes covering the main areas such as style creation, but who is there with (a) the necessary knowledge, (b) the writing skills, and (c) the motivation to undertake what would have to be a labour of love? Then these books would need to cover the different models and also constant updating.

Alan

[XeeniX]

Alan,

I think Yamaha could at least have written the basic steps for things like vcice and especially style creation in a better way than they did so far. In that last department there hasn't changed very much over the years and different models. The tools are all there to create them but the theory/manual does not cover much more than:  Look at what we made possible on your "must have/amaaaaaazing"  keyboard. The manuals neven bother to take you through the first steps in most cases. A manual that covers everything is impossible to write and would be too expensive and time consuming to create and to maintain on top of that, I agree. But one that covers at least an example, let's say some sort of workshop to start with would be very nice. It is than up to the user to decide if he or she is willing to spend the time needed going through the learning curves. Instead of hitting a concrete wall you would than at least be able to start climbing the slope in order to learn the ins and outs of the more advanced techniques. Else, why bother creating those tools and options in the first place?

Don't get me wrong here. I'm only criticizing Yamaha decision and way they work in this but still like my keyboard very much

Peter

[Normanfernandez]

Peter

While I sympathise sompletely with what you are saying, do you not think that one "decent manual" covering your objectives would need to be a weighty volume? I can envisage a series of volumes covering the main areas such as style creation, but who is there with (a) the necessary knowledge, (b) the writing skills, and (c) the motivation to undertake what would have to be a labour of love? Then these books would need to cover the different models and also constant updating.

Alan

A common manual would be great,

Yes the updating would be a lot
But it would really help the people who buy their Keyboards.

[Bill]

Hi Norman

Many Tutorials available on Youtube

Bill

https://youtu.be/OolQObg4qzc

https://youtu.be/KAk3oSrTv54?list=RDOolQObg4qzc

https://youtu.be/qwpcw6uXDYM

https://youtu.be/Nl6WQQK7PwE

[2112]

But one that covers at least an example, let's say some sort of workshop to start with would be very nice.

I understand what you are saying but I also understand the market pressures.

And the market is heavily stacked against beginners. Nearly every gear reviewer is an experienced musician and completely ignores the needs of people starting their musical education.

Additionally there's lots of pressure towards "getting a teacher" instead of "learning something yourselves".

There's also standard, general pressure that the manuals are already long enough. For the most ridiculous example of it compare the very short manuals for the bottom-most rung entry-level keyboards for beginners: PSR-F50 & PSR-F51. In the newer model they removed a half-page arrangement of simple song showing how to use the STYLE accompaniment.

There appears to be some sort of fight going on between the gear manufacturers and their sales channel. I don't know how to change it, but definitely I observed it in multiple circumstances.

[pjd]

Hi --

Here are a few articles about Genos voice editing with YEM:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-voice-editing-yem/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-voice-editing-xml-notepad/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-voice-editing-an-example/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-voice-editing-blending-the-split-point/

The series focuses on creating a new Genos custom voice from existing voices. YEM is missing some important features for voices that go beyond the basic and trivial. [These deficiencies are noted in the articles.]

I also wrote a blog post about creating a Mega Voice using YEM:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/creating-mega-voice-yem/

Of course, you need to be familiar with the basic concepts of Mega Voice design:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/mega-voice-in-psrtyros-styles/

I strongly recommend reading the first chapter or two of the Motif XF/MOX or Montage/MODX reference manuals, i.e., the sections that talk about the Yamaha synthesis architecture. I also recommend the Synthesizer Parameter Manual for background about the AWM2 voice architecture. Knowledge of AWM2 voices is essential knowledge for a voice developer working in YEM.

Hope this helps -- pj

[pjd]

The subject of style creation comes up frequently. I'm re-posting some getting started info below.

-- pj

The best suggestion that I can make is reading Jørgen's style creation course:

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles/style_creation_course.pdf
http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles/keyboard_and_style.pdf

If folks don't like PDF, there are on-line versions of the same articles:

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles.htm

Honest to goodness, Jørgen has done a super job!

Another excellent resource is "Style Files - Introduction and Details" by Peter Wierzba and Michael Bedesem:

http://www.wierzba.homepage.t-online.de/StyleFileDescription_v21.pdf

This document and other very useful information are published on Peter's site:

https://psrtutorial.com/util/wierzba.html

Anyone who is interested in creating new styles really needs to know what is inside of a style file -- not just hand-waving, but to know in enough depth to start editing.

Another alternative is the high-level tool MidiSoft Style Magic:

http://www.midisoft.pl/en/

Even then, a modest amount of background information is needed.

Once someone has the background, I encourage them to read a few existing articles at my site. Parts 2 and 3 of the series:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/mox-perf-to-psr-style-part-1/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/mox-perf-to-psr-style-part-2/
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/mox-perf-to-psr-style-part-3/

describe translation of a Standard Midi File to a style. Another potentially useful article is about converting the Yamaha DJX II patterns to styles:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/mining-the-yamaha-djx-ii/

So, there are already quite a few resources available. Jørgen, Michael and Peter have really shown the way!

[Styles2psr]

In this video i explain how the filters works in YEM, and how it affects the sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgoEgHxJgXg


I will soon make a new tutorial about how to turn any looped sound in YEM into a gated voice.
A very cool feature and very common in the Trance world, especially when using a choir type of sound.


Normanfernandez:
If you have any questions/thoughts about how to create voices in YEM, just PM me, and i will try to guide you.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

Regards, Jan.

[Normanfernandez]

In this video i explain how the filters works in YEM, and how it affects the sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgoEgHxJgXg


I will soon make a new tutorial about how to turn any looped sound in YEM into a gated voice.
A very cool feature and very common in the Trance world, especially when using a choir type of sound.


Normanfernandez:
If you have any questions/thoughts about how to create voices in YEM, just PM me, and i will try to guide you.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

Regards, Jan.

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