Adjusting Volumes of Intros and Endings

[alanclare]

Having homed in on a suitable style, with or without fine-tuning of parts, etc, I like one of the intros but it's too loud. How do I control the relative volume of an intro (or ending) to the rest of the style?

Alan

[dragon]

I sometimes want the opposite i.e. Louder intro to the rest of the tune. I do this by putting the intro into the 1st registration button at the volume I require and putting the subsequent reg buttons at the required volume. I quickly go from 1st reg to second reg when the tune starts (I use a foot pedal for this). Ending can be changed in the same way i.e increase or decrease the volume of the Ending Reg.

Another way is to go into style record and increase or reduce the levels of the instruments and drums in the intro part to suit and save as a new style. However this is much more fiddly than my first method and I haven't tried it yet although I know it is possible.

Hope this gives you some ideas.
Cheers Carol

[Pino]

This is how I change volumes and voices to individual style variations
Others may do it differently

Make a note of what intro/ending VOICES you want to change

1   Open Style Creator
2   Tab to page 2
3   Open  mixing Console
4   Press the intro/ending you want to change
   eg. intro 2,  press OK on the screen
5   Change the volume of the instrument
6   Exit
7   Press SAVE
8   Press SAVE again
9   Enter a 2 at the end of the style name
10   Press OK

You can listen to the style in Style Creator by the start/stop button
Do not play any keys on the keyboard whilst in Style Creator.
Do not change anything whilst the style is playing, press stop first
You cannot change the preset styles so no problem if things go wrong
If your NOT happy with the end result then delete the style and start again
The style will be saves to User,

This info is from S950, other models may be different.

If it's working for you then give me some 'feedback' like
yes, it's working
or
Not working and tell me why it's not working.

Pino

[alanclare]

Carol

Thank you for your thoughts on how to achieve what I'm trying to do. A bit of lateral thinking? Take a look at Pino's reply.

Pino

Thank you very much for the tutorial. I've just tried your method and it works beautifully. I had no idea that you could summon up the Mixing Console whilst working in the Assembly part of the Style Creator. Presumably, you can adjust the volume of Voices in the Main Variations as well? I'll try it.

My thanks to you both.

Alan

[Pino]

Yes, you can do all the editing you want
Voices, volumes, reverb and can go into individual tracks and voices
Just TAB across the top to EFFECTS

Don't touch the keys or it may record some notes if in 'play mode'

Now 'the skies the limit'

You can edit every style and save to 'User'

The preset styles form Yamaha are just suggestions from Yamaha

Now you cam make the styles your own

Pino

[alanclare]

Pino

When I'm trying various instruments to make changes to a drum kit using Drum Setup, it would be easier if I could just hear the drum kit alone. When I press START the whole style plays and it's difficult to hear the effects of what one is trying. Is there a way to do this?

Alan

[Pino]

In this case you are the SOUND ENGINEER sitting in front of the mixing desk.

Your task is to balance the sounds of the whole band,

I can't see the point of just running the drums.

Pino

[panos]

Alan,under your screen there are buttons 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8
While you are in Style Creator and the style is playing:
Upper button is for changing the instrument of each of the 8 parts
Lower button is for muting each part(on-off) so you can find out from which part comes a sound that you don't like.

So press lower buttons 3 to 8 for listening only the drums of the part playing.
(Make the Parts 3-8 to be in "off" position)
If a part is already in "off" position by default, it means that there is no instrument at all in this part of the variation.

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For listening only a single part of a style when you are NOT in style creator just hold down the lower button 1 for two seconds.
It will mute all other channels and you can hear only rhythm  1.
(It goes from ON position to SOLO position.)
Then hold down lower button 2 and now you can hear only rhythm 2.

While you are in Main menu but you can not see the parts of the Style(8 parts),
press the button channel on/of under the mixing console button.
Channel on/off (song) is for midi files (16 channels maximum)
Channel on/off(style) is for style parts (8 channels maximum)

[Joe H]

A more advanced way of changing the Volumes of the Intros and Endings is to open the style in StyleMagic and adjust the note velocities for each channel. You can play the style and listen until you have it just right.

The downside to using Style Creator is that if you select a Section and adjust the Volumes for each part then later want to adjust all parts up or down the previous method will be undone.  Whereas by adjusting the Note Velocities future global adjustments of the Volumes of the style Parts will not be impacted.  Sometimes when I change a Voice for a style Part, the new Voice is a different volume in the different Sections because of how the Voice was originally programed.  Or changing the octave of a specific part will give a similar result. The only solution to that situation is to change the note velocity for that one part in a specific style Section.

Joe H

[Pino]

I find Style Creator to be reasonably ok, the thing about it is not to play it when making changes as it will record everything, if you change a voice or a volume when it's on stop then it will over-ride the previous event, I do use SC for fine tuning,

But, I could not work without Stylemagic for editing my styles and making song styles
I think Yamaha should give a copy of StyleMagic with every new keyboard they sell or maybe make something similar themselves,

Here is a short demo of a style I made last night,(S950) took about 2 hours from start to finish.
Still needs touching up here and there but that's something that is ongoing,

Pino




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[Fred Smith]

What I would prefer is that Yamaha (or someone else) sell songstyles. I would happily pay for these styles rather than spend hours creating them.

Fred

[Pino]

Yes Fred, I agree with you, if the style is good then it's little money.

I bought a few song styles 3 months ago and was so disappointed with them
Took an hour or more to sort each one to my liking,

That's when I started looking at making my own
I've learnt a lot and now feel that I am in full control of my music.

The intros are the most important
A good 'intro' will get people up and dancing in the first 10 seconds of a song.

Pino

[alanclare]

My thanks to all who contributed to this thread. Pino's explanation of how to use the Mixer in conjunction with the Style Manager has opened a way for me to make the kinds of adjustments that I need at my stage of understanding my Arranger.

MixMaster is patently a useful tool, but there is no way that I could justify the time it would take me to be able to understand it. I already have a number of programs on my laptop which I have looked at but do not use (e.g. the Yamaha Registration Manager). By chance I already had experience of using Audacity. MuseScore is another fine piece of software, but I can't recall the last time I used it. Roger Brenizer guided me to PDF24, a useful tool for handling pdf files, and Mp3tag so that my face can be seen on the car's "Infotainment" screen when some of my handiwork is playing. I have found out how the Expansion Manager works, but I have to re-learn it every time I use it.

It all comes down to life style. There used to be something called the Work-Life balance. Now it's the Life1-Life2-Life3-etc balance, and how to prioritise those components.

Alan

[Fred Smith]

My thanks to all who contributed to this thread. Pino's explanation of how to use the Mixer in conjunction with the Style Manager has opened a way for me to make the kinds of adjustments that I need at my stage of understanding my Arranger.

MixMaster is patently a useful tool, but there is no way that I could justify the time it would take me to be able to understand it. I already have a number of programs on my laptop which I have looked at but do not use (e.g. the Yamaha Registration Manager). By chance I already had experience of using Audacity. MuseScore is another fine piece of software, but I can't recall the last time I used it. Roger Brenizer guided me to PDF24, a useful tool for handling pdf files, and Mp3tag so that my face can be seen on the car's "Infotainment" screen when some of my handiwork is playing. I have found out how the Expansion Manager works, but I have to re-learn it every time I use it.

It all comes down to life style. There used to be something called the Work-Life balance. Now it's the Life1-Life2-Life3-etc balance, and how to prioritise those components.

Alan

Interesting. I find MixMaster and Registration Manager far easier to learn than Style Creator. To each his own I guess.

Cheers,
Fred

[alanclare]

To each his own I guess.

Cheers,
Fred

Absolutely, Fred.

Also, Style Creator is there, in front of me.

Alan