Soundpacks Curiosity

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi

I am just wondering if all these companies that sell these sounds for Genos are different sample instruments or reworked onboard sounds.
What are your thoughts on this
Are these sounds something that you can achieve without shelling out pots of money for sounds you may already have.


All the best
john

[EileenL]

Hi John,
  Most of these people do sample the sounds you hear. TTT actually go to the Blackpool tower to sample there's and we know Yamaha travels all over to sample there's from authentic instruments.
   You will probably find that one or two cheat a little.

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Eileen
I am not trying to slate anyone , but does say Heidrun, Soundpacks and Easy Sounds  take new sound samples and work on them or do they edit the Genos onboard sounds.
Another thing is Yamaha charge a hefty price for their sounds and I have found that Easy Sounds are much cheaper and just as good.
I purchased their analogue Synth sounds and they are different and great quality.
For me personally I do find a lot of sounds and registrations lean towards the older fashioned music scene, not the 60s,70s and 80s
I have nothing against pre 60s music, as music is music and there is quality music down the 50s,40s,30,s 20s etc
I must say that that some of the sounds that I have heard from clips sound great..
There are also a lot of sounds that sound the same  with a little eq and reverb added.
It is EDM stuff and moo,moo music of today that gets me angst.


all the best
John

[pjd]

... Easy Sounds  take new sound samples and work on them or do they edit the Genos onboard sounds.

Hi John --

I have and use the Easy Sounds "Organ Session". It includes new B-3 samples, but also has patches that use the internal Genos samples, too. The Easy Sounds site is quite open and transparent about what a pack includes. Peter at Easy Sounds is a long-time Yamaha developer and isn't out to cheat anyone.

I understand your concern.

Have a good weekend and "cheers" -- pj

[Heidrun]

Or Heidrun gets all inspired, or ...

Inspiration yes.... but my knowledge about guitars is probably not good enough to satisfy real guitar specialists...
Life is unfortunately too short to know anything!



Kind regards, Heidrun

[Roland]

Hello John,

To your original post here:

Eileen is right, but it's a bit of a mixed bag :-) Here is what I am aware of at this time:

Creating voices from "scratch" is quite a hefty process. So this is definitely not your "I'll record it and send it as a ringtone to your phone" sort of thing :-)

You can justify those efforts if you want to produce and sell a super-high quality sound of an accoustic instrument or some vintage instruments. An example for that would be the "Electric Piano library sampled from Chick Corea's own Fender Rhodes" which you find in the shop at Motifator.com. Another great example of sampled sounds come from an artist and producer I really like too; Peter Schips of CMS Sound Design (http://www.cms-sounddesign.de/index.html#wa-anchor-top).
And there are many more of course, just think of Yamaha's Alpenvoices or the guys at HDS for Oberkrainer music sounds. So in this category, we're talking about sound sampling.

Then there is the other side: Re-voicing. A good example for that is for instance Heidrun you had mentioned. She uses the keyboard pre-set voices. But on a number of occasions, those pre-sets don't sound ideal. So she would re-mix them. That can be a lot of work too, but not as much as in the case from creating a voice from scratch of course. Her re-voiced sounds are typically included in things like her learning packages or registrations for instance. Then she has a section of "Ensemble Voices". Those are re-mixed pre-sets too, but with the added benefit that they are configured and programmed in such way, that they sound like a really good ensemble. I can only recommend to listen to them so you can hear what I mean.

And our dear Eileen too, check out her Web site, she has posted hundreds of nicely re-voiced sounds. And as usual: Everyone has his or her own sound and genre preferences - but because re-voicing can be done anywhere from very little effort to tons of tweaking, you have much more material to choose from vs. sampling sounds.

From the above, you can now get a feel why some of the stuff is free, some costs little and some can be quite expensive. There is lots of work behind voices Yamaha creates for it's MusicSoft portal. Yet the pricing is quite affordable - my thinking is that they can do that through volume - where smaller vendors might not have that advantage. But that's just a guess of mine.

Hope that helps. Cheers, Roland

[Joe H]

John,

There is no simple answer to your question.  I have bought a lot of SF2 samples with new wave forms.  These are really different sounding Voices.  But it is still a lot of work (compared to WAV files) to edit them in YEM to be compatible with our XG keyboards.

Editing the preset Voices in YEM is also legitimate because you can alter the sound significantly with the amplitude and filter envelopes, EQ, DSP assignments at the Element Level to play differently.

But if you want some NEW sounds, you will have to search the internet for them.  I think we will see a lot more third-party sound developers in the future.  Jan (styles2psr) has demonstrated we can get ANY kind of sounds out of the arranger now that they support expansion packs.

http://www.psrtutorial.com/forum/index.php/topic,46166.msg363118.html#msg363118

Joe H

[Heidrun]

Hi folks,

working very intensivly with our keyboards I found out that often one can achieve the desired sounds only by revoicing the preset voices.
Also in styles!
Would you ever think that those both styles used in my 2 videos are the same - only revoiced?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl2RDzabSlY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mkj6_zCaPs

Our keyboards are so creative... 

Kind regards, Heidrun

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Heidrun and Roland

Do not get me wrong about my curiosty as I do appreciate the genuine work that goes into making sounds.
It is hard to get a handle on sounds from a computer with a realtec card although I have a couple of Wharfdale black Diamonds from the 90s plugged In.
I must admit that the Difference from what I hear on Heidruns video is excellent.
I do have a pretty good Santana guitar for the Genos, but the trick with santana Is to get that dual guitar sound In Samba Pa Ti by hitting two notes together, one just before the other like a flam on the drums.
Any better santana guitars out there and I would be first up on the list and a Jon Lord organ, nice and dirty and gritty.
Also would love acoustic gutars.


All The Best
John

[Heidrun]

Hi Chris,

a guitar fan like you perhaps will never find the real authentical guitar sounds in a keyboard, because it is another thing to play guitar using the acoustic instrument with all the tricks how to play the strings...

Kind regards, Heidrun

[Roland]

Hello John,

For guitar sounds, check this one out: https://www.musiclab.com/products/realstrat/info.html You might find one that gets pretty close to a Santana sound. Not cheap either though :-(

Cheers, Roland

[JohnS (Ugawoga)]

Hi Roland

That Bald Guy with a stones shirt on can sure play that guitar. Very Authentic.
There is a lot of fiddly learn curve to that vst   necks, bridges etc and articulations.

I might look at that later after I get my mixing sorted
I am slowly getting there.


All the best
john