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Started by rock123456789, June 25, 2018, 09:06:50 AM

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rock123456789

Is possible to extract voice (instrument) from midi file and use it on yamaha psr s770?

EileenL

No but you can buy packs with different voices to use on your keyboard.
Eileen

DerekA

Quote from: rock123456789 on June 25, 2018, 09:06:50 AM
Is possible to extract voice (instrument) from midi file and use it on yamaha psr s770?

A midi file doesn't actually contain "voices"; it contains instructions to a tone generator (whether that's a sound card on a PC or a keyboard like the S770) to select a particular preset voice (or the nearest that the machine can provide) and how to modify its setup (e.g. modify filter cutoff, set up DSP, etc).

I'm guessing you have heard a midi file playing somewhere and liked the sound. So the key question is, did you hear this midi file playing on your S770 or on another machine?

If it was on your S770, then you can find out which voice the S770 selected and how it was set up. If it was on another machine ... you can't.

Genos

rock123456789

Quote from: DerekA on June 25, 2018, 10:24:10 AM
A midi file doesn't actually contain "voices"; it contains instructions to a tone generator (whether that's a sound card on a PC or a keyboard like the S770) to select a particular preset voice (or the nearest that the machine can provide) and how to modify its setup (e.g. modify filter cutoff, set up DSP, etc).

I'm guessing you have heard a midi file playing somewhere and liked the sound. So the key question is, did you hear this midi file playing on your S770 or on another machine?

If it was on your S770, then you can find out which voice the S770 selected and how it was set up. If it was on another machine ... you can't.

I heard this midi on my S770...
I would this guitar : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sewekhkeWhU (by 1:40).

SeaGtGruff

Depending on what you mean, the answer might be yes.

Since you played the MIDI file on your PSR-S770, you heard a voice and effects that are available on the PSR-S770.

You can use a program such as MixMaster to see the list of events in the MIDI file.

Once you identify which channel used the voice you're interested in, you can filter out all channels except that one.

Then you can filter out all Note events and Pitch Bend events, which should leave things like Sy*** events, CC events-- including Bank Select CC events-- and Program Change events.

You can select all of these remaining events, copy them, and paste them into a new, empty MIDI file.

Then you can edit the new MIDI file to remove any events that don't pertain to selecting the Effects Types, the Voice (Bank Select and Program Change), and the various parameters for the effects and the channel.

If you save the resulting MIDI file and change its file extension to UVN or whatever the PSR-S975 uses for custom user voices, you should be able to use the new user voice file on the PSR-S975 to select the desired voice-- assuming it exists on the PSR-S975.

If it turns out that the voice from the PSR-S770 wasn't included on the PSR-S975, you can try to find the closest equivalent voice from the PSR-S975 and edit the user voice file to select that voice-- i.e., modify the Bank Select and Program Change events as needed.

EDIT: Note that I'm assuming there are effects and other settings-- such as Pan, Channel Volume, Modulation, Attack Time, Release Time, Filter Cutoff, Filter Resonance, Effects Depth, etc.-- which have been applied to the selected voice, and that you want to use these same settings on the PSR-S975.

tyrosaurus

Quote from: SeaGtGruff on June 26, 2018, 04:10:15 AM
Depending on what you mean, the answer might be yes.

Since you played the MIDI file on your PSR-S770, you heard a voice and effects that are available on the PSR-S770.

You can use a program such as MixMaster to see the list of events in the MIDI file.

Once you identify which channel used the voice you're interested in, you can filter out all channels except that one.

I assume that the OP is referring to the guitar used for the one or more of the Right keyboard voice parts.

In the video, although all the backing is being played by the MIDI file, the Right voice parts are being played in real time. However the voices selected for these parts are not being set up by the MIDI.  He is using registrations to change these voices and selecting the regs. manually.

Although MIDIs can be saved with the voices used for the Keyboard parts R1, 2, 3 & L (as opposed to the Song parts) included within them, if they were saved in this MIDI, he would not need to change them with registrations!  So I assume that they have not been saved in the MIDI.

If this is the case, then even if you actually have the original MIDI file, you will not be able to see the voices used for the keyboard parts, or obtain any information about them from the MIDI.

Regarding the voice used, since the keyboard in the video is a Tyros3, the actual voice/s used could be custom wave expansion voices and may not be available as presets on the instrument.  He also states that he uses VSTi's on a computer, so the voice could even be generated from one of these with the T3 as the controller!


Regards

Ian

SeaGtGruff

Ian, thanks for pointing out that the keyboard in the video is a Tyros3. For some reason I got the impression that he was talking about a MIDI file he had played on a PSR-S770 and that he wanted to use a voice from the MIDI file on a PSR-S975. Evidently I was not fully awake when I read the thread and replied. :p

SciNote

Quote from: SeaGtGruff on June 26, 2018, 02:13:35 PM
Ian, thanks for pointing out that the keyboard in the video is a Tyros3. For some reason I got the impression that he was talking about a MIDI file he had played on a PSR-S770 and that he wanted to use a voice from the MIDI file on a PSR-S975. Evidently I was not fully awake when I read the thread and replied. :p

Well, there's a good reason for that... in Reply number 3, he wrote, "I heard this midi on my S770..."  But then, of course, the video shows the Tyros 3.  So, I'm not sure what the connection there is.  But that sound at 1:40 in the video didn't sound too out of the ordinary.  I bet you can just select a guitar sound on the S770, maybe a jazz guitar, and tweak it with filter, envelope, reverb, and chorus to zero in on the desired sound.
Bob
Current: Yamaha PSR-E433 (x2), Roland GAIA SH-01, Casio CDP-200R, Casio MT-68 (wired to bass pedals)
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